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/thg/ Treadhead General 2016-10-08 04:10:20 Post No.31598878
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/thg/ guy (ID: !!S1BNw9+0+KI)
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The last thread was left in the wire
Mehr Dakka Edition
> What's this thread about?
As usual this thread is for the discussion and pics of tracked and wheeled AFVs of all kinds from MBTs to supertanks to self propelled AA guns. Please keep it civil and cite sources for statistics.
As the world crept into the 1960s, the West German Bundeswehr saw an urgent need to replace the alarmingly obsolete M42 Duster AA vehicles. With the advent of the Leopard 1 MBT, the solution was to appropriate the tank to accommodate an AA role. In 1965, the project was finally approved, and two competing prototype emerged, the twin 30 mm Matador, and the twin 35 mm 5PFZ-A, developed by two competing coalitions of Western Europe’s biggest defense manufacturers. The 5PFZ later won out in the end, and in 1971, four 5PFZ-B prototype variants were introduced with German instead of Dutch radars. The subsequent 5PFZ-B1 also had its radar modified to the MPDR-12 in 1973. Later that year, the finalised SPAAG, the Flugabwehrpanzer 1 Gepard, or Flakpanzer Gepard, (technically 5PFZ-B2) was ordered into full production with an initial order of 420. The last 225 to be produced were modified with a tracking radar radome on the turret front, and carried the 5PFZ-B2L Gepard A1 designation. The Gepard for all intents and purposes was a Leopard 1 hull slightly improved with hydraulic shock absorbers and shifted road wheel positions, mounted with twin 35 mm Oerlikon-Bührle 35 mm KDA L/R04 35/90 guns offering a cyclic rpm of 550 each. Ammunition onboard is 620 rounds split between the guns, and forty are specifically AT rounds for direct engagement with AFVs. Its radar componentry is constituted of a MPDR-12 Doppler radar and an MSR 400 IFF with a range of 15 km, allowing its guns to track enemy aircraft until within firing range, roughly around 4 km.
> Gun
Rifled 35 mm Twin KDA
> Dimensions (l w h)
7.68 x 3.71 x 3.29 m
> Weight
47.5 tonnes
> Engine
819hp diesel
> Speed
65 km/h
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>>31598878
OP: As always, feedback, suggestions wanted and appreciated.
Welcome to another thread of /thg/. We’re in the 1960s right now, and I’ve jumped ahead a little bit, electing to examine the Gepard first before the ZSU-23-4, which is the natural progression from the ZSU-57-2. I will, however, get to the Shilka very soon. I was also thinking about the Falcon, but there’s simply not enough information on it that’s not contradicted in other sources, unverifiable or plain misleading.
An interesting to note about the Flakpanzer Gepard was the incredible breadth of firms that participated in the development process. The Matador prototype was championed by the firms Rheinmetall, AEG, Siemens and Krauss-Maffei, while the later victorious 5PFZ-A was created by Oerlikon, Contraves, Oerlikon, Siemens-Albis, Hollandse-Signaalapparaten and Krauss-Maffei/Porsche, demonstrating a significant amount of cross pollination in the various cooperative operations run by the European defense industry. The Gepard has had a bit of a sleepy service life since its introduction into West German service, with the Netherlands and Belgium being major export customers, the former operating a variant called the 5PZF-CA1 since 1977 with an indigenous radar. Currently, Germany is the only Western European state to operate the Gepard, and is selling excess quantities to developing nations, a recent sale including Jordan in 2012. Currently, it has been stuck in a state of limbo, as it cannot be entirely removed from ready storage until the SysFla is fully deployed.
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>>31598878
Why 35mm when 40mm also exists? What pushed European militaries away from the 40mm Bofors?
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What tank?
Looks German.
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Anyone want to see more of these?
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>>31663811
Yes
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>>31663822
Which one?
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>>31663811
show me the rightmost one pls
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/k/ I need your help ! 2016-10-13 23:37:43 Post No.31663611
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what are these called and where could I obtain them? I know they are similar to the Japanese Tekko-Kagi but they are not the same. any help would be appreciated :3 thanks, /k/ !
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Fuckin weebs
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Those are known as ホモ. You actually probably have one closer to you than you expect.
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Did you know you have more of a chance of dying as a U-Boat sailor during WWII then as a Kamikaze pilot? The U-Boat service had the highest casualty percentage (so amount of personnel is irrelevant to the statistic) in history.
Also roll for U-Boat fate to see if anyone survives.
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>>31663375
U-375
Victories:
Victories:
9 merchant ships sunk (16,852 GRT)
1 merchant ship total loss (6,288 GRT)
1 warship damaged (2,650 tons)
Fate:
U-375 was sunk, after being depth charged by USN submarine chaser PC-624, on 30 July 1943 at position 36°40′N 12°28′E in the Mediterranean NW of Malta. All hands were lost.
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>>31663397
Rolling Nice stats OP
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>>31663375
The Infantry had the highest casualty rate.
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Post thine cap and balls! Cartridge conversions are acceptable as well.
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'kay
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>>31663077
Yankee or rebel?
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>>31663093
>poorfag brass frame and hick pipe
lol keep trying reb
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Anybody else agree grip safety is the best safety? if not what's your argument, if you're gonna shoot you don't have to worry about pressing a stupid button, and the only way itd get in the way of firing is if you're holding it like a retard
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>>31663046
I agree. Best SMG in the world, the UZI, has a grip safety.
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>>31663060
I don't know much about the Uzi so I can't tell if you're bring genuine or sarcastic
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>and the only way itd get in the way of firing is if you're holding it like a retard
Yeah, nah. I used to think like this. Then while doing dry fire training I pulled out my gun like normal, and the trigger didn't pull. Turns out I was only half depressing it that time, after thousands of repetitions of doing it right, and at least 3000 rounds through it at the range.
Traded it for a Glock. I'm not risking having that happen when I'm carrying and need it to potentially save my life. Have been very happy with the Glock, too.
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Long story short, vet in in my Criminal Justice class is selling the following guns:
>Ishapore .410
>.303 Enfield w/ sporterized stock
>What I believe is a Winchester 97 trench gun.
He gave me individual pricing but said he'd sell them all for $600.
What're /K/'s thoughts on these guns and should I pull the trigger on it?
Would I be stupid to pass this up?
Pic somewhat related but not the pic of the specific gun.
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>>31662863
All three for $600?
Why wouldn't you?
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Even if the shotgun isn't a legit trench model, and the SMLE is a bubba-fucked abortion, if the condition is decent then that's a good deal.
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>>31662863
Anon, I'd buy just the trench gun for 600.
Buy them now. The value will only go up
>another unsuccessful range day where I couldn't zero my ak74 again
it's been 2 years. What the fuck am I doing wrong? No matter what, it's way off to the right.
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>>31662485
Are you compensating for the possibility of canted sights?
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>>31662514
My gun has no canted sights at all. No matter how much I push my drum to the left, it keeps pulling right
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>>31662485
>What the fuck am I doing wrong? No matter what, it's way off to the right.
I'd try adjusting the sights, but that's just me.
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I bought my first AR almost a month ago, just a basic A2 style, but with a flat top upper. Love it, shot it a few times, works perfectly, love it even more.
Fast forward to lately:
>Keep looking at AR
>Constantly imagining the things I can change on it
>Butt stocks, hand guards, grips, sights
Fuck, and I thought I'd never succumb to the desire to change my rifle and here I am fantasizing about the different ways I can set up my rifle.
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>>31662422
this why you invest in a good rifle and not just an "okay" one
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>>31662742
I assembled an "ok" AR about a year ago. I haven't changed it since I got it put together.
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>>31662422
Don't change any of it except for making it an A4 unless you want to get a shorter barrel.
There's no reason to go with a 20" barrel unless you want a M16 variant/clone
Does anyone have a PPS-43? More specifically a PPS-43C. Maybe even turn one into an SBR? I know they make a 7.62x25 version and a 9x19 version. I'm curious on what /k/ thinks about them I never hear them mentioned.
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>>31662192
>never hear them mentioned
Lurk more, faggot
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>>31662302
I feel I lurk pretty hard but apparently not hard enough.
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>>31662192
I had one and sold it after a year for a bit of a cash boost to afford a more practical rifle when there was an AWB scare.
Ask anything you want to know.
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What's your fantasie that would allow you to use your gun to protect your or someone else's life?
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If my friend is about to be shot by someone that has diplomatic immunity and they snarkily try to claim it in defense, then I can say "It's just been revoked"
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>>31662023
Good one.
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>>31662023
Time to take the meds, Glover
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is this the best and comfiest job in the military?
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>>31661888
Fuck that. Want to get bored out of your fucking sanity? Stare at those screens and switches twelve hours a day, every single day for years.
Join the Airborne Infantry. Jump into the fight.
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>>31661911
>Jump into the fight.
Conquer the base parking lot for uncle sam with your issued vaccum cleaner!
How long can a trigger mechanism be?
Post more shit weapon designs.
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>>31661698
call of duty: pic related
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Cs go. Pic related
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What kind of weapon is this?
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a gun
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>>31661691
Some old east bloc air rifle is my best guess. Maybe one from CZ/Brno.
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>>31661699
its a rifle my german friend inherited from his grandpa
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Was this realistic in anyway? 2016-10-13 20:36:50 Post No.31661636
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Was this realistic in anyway?
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I've never been in a shootout. Was this realistic in anyway of how a real shootout would go once the stress of the fight started?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AyMkoyiFM
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>>31661636
I can't be tricked into watching any amount of season 2. Fucking awful, but nice try I guess.
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>I live my life via movies
>Products created by a bunch of English and Drama majors living in the echo chambers that is Los Angeles are a big part of my life.
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>>31661655
It really wasn't that bad. But regardless, I'm only interested in talking about this shootout scene.