Why is Walt Whitman considered America's leading poet again? What about him appeals to the American psyche? And why not Eliot, Frost, or Stevens?
like, chronology
>>8437673
It would've been Eliot but he's a bitchboy anglophile traitor
>>8437673
Are you saying you don't like Whitman?
Why are you so reddit, my dear cucks?
"Upon my soul," declared the President, "I own I fancy nothing better than that taste. When I was in Parliament I must have voted at least a hundred times to have some poor devil hanged; they were all innocent, you know, and I would never indulge in that little injustice without experiencing, deep within me, a most voluptuous tittilation: no more was needed to inflame my balls, nothing used to heat them more certainly. You can imagine what I felt when I did worse."
>>8437651
the nomenclature for the hoi polloi on this board is "Plebs". Please lurk more, as it might afford you an opportunity to learn some rather magnificent memes, such as the Meme Trilogy, Epic DFW Face Captures, and even the beloved >Translations Meme, and our treasure trove of Gassposters. Among the flora of our humble domain, you might even spot the rare and valuable Gene Wolfe fag, Aramini. Please, take up a book, scan from page to page, and join us in our rants and raves, anon.
If not, get the fuck out, pleb.
>Dream I'm back in college
>Teacher introduces guest teacher for the day-it's David Foster Wallace
>His hair is cut short and is grey for some reason
>"We're going to do some story association with words I give you," he said.
>Fuck yeah, this is totally something DFW would absolutely do. Not once do I even consider this is anything reality.
>hands out sheet
>Can barely focus for some reason.
>try to riff off of what's written down, come up with awful, awful shit about clawed weapons and a furious heart.
>Fucking John Green is in my class
>Starts deriding DFW, calling him a hack and a cishitler, while DFW faces him with a wry smile.
>I get angry
>Start drawing pentagrams on my sheet with the aim of summoning Max Stirner to smite John Green
>Wake up before the spookbuster appears
Anyway, I shared this dream to say: Fuck you /lit/. Fuck you for putting this shit in my head so that I have totally ass dreams about it.
>>8437605
>Dreaming in memes
Time to take a break from 4chan mate
Bur could you discern any talent?
pathetic
shhh....
is pynchon every random old man on the street
>>8437609
no one knows
What do you use to write?
>>8437566
I feel like a total normie, but I honestly jot down ideas in my phone notepad. I just don't dress like oliver twist, so I rarely have pocket space for a pad and pen.
I have a little notebook for story/book ideas, quotes or lines I'd want to use.
When I actually write something it's usually on google docs or microsoft word. I make a book manuscript in word as well.
>>8437566
Marble Notebooks are amazing if you are okay with doing by hand. I feel like I get ideas down without feeling dumb. Also if you look at Walmart or target you can get them for like 50 cents each for 100 sheets. Well, low quality ones for 50 cents, but paper is paper. Nabokov wrote on index cards so you really don't need much pizazz
How does /lit/ feel about listening to books vs reading them?
>>8437542
Why not both?
I'm currently listening/reading the Iliad
They're two different translations, which means I'll definitely learn the dumb Roman god names
>>8437542
if it's poetry, it's fine. poetry was meant to be recited. if it's prose, you should be reading the pages as you listen.
>>8437542
They're both completely different methods of reading a book and you'll get a different experience with an audiobook than if you read it yourself.
I got an open response essay tomorrow and I haven't read the book it's over, '1984' by George Orwell.
help
>>8437521
no.
>>8437521
Winston Smith is a cog of the state, kept docile by the government-provided drug Soma, being entertained by the inauthentic music of a player piano, under constant surveillance by Big Brother because he lives in a house made literally of glass.
One day though he falls into a forbidden love with Julia, and the two plan to escape aboard an airship called the Integral. They flee toward the Integral in a refurbished Model T Ford, with Big Brother in pursuit. However the machine stops, Julia is taken away, and Smith is put in Room 101, a sort of torture chamber where he's placed underneath a giant glass tumbler full of cockroaches.
I don't think it's right to give the very ending away so I encourage you to pick up the story in the last 20 pages or so to see whether Smith is able to escape and so on.
>>8437571
Oh thanks. I didn't actually expect to get help. I've been finding stuff and piecing them together. I think I have just enough to get it together, I'll try read a little bit more to get a better understanding. Thanks!
Truth is I've been meaning to read this book but for some reason my mind just doesn't want to read it even though I like reading. I probably have ADHD or something.
>mfw i just now understood the opening of Gravity's Rainbow from an Amazon editorial review
>>8437498
Isn't it just Pirate dreaming or using his dream ability?
>>8437527
No it's literally just a quote from Finnegans Wake
It's Pynchon's way of telling a joke
>>8437532
? I don't remember that
What are some books with steamy gay sex?
>>8437494
ur dairy t b h
>>8437494
The kite runner
>>8437494
The Very Hungry Caterpillar
why is poetry so much better than prose?
It's all in the linebreaks my dude
>>8437439
It's like a mix of prose and music.
Economy of words.
I remember Pessoa saying that prose was the superior art because the writer is able to give a rhythm when he need it, but on poetry the rhythm was a necessity and most importantly an obstacle.
How can I tell if a syllable is accented? I'm trying to get better with identifying metrical patterns but I keep fucking up my scansion exercises
How does this work for uninflected languages like French?
>>8437436
French has poetry based on syllables not accents.
>>8437436
different meters for different languages. Italian poetry is easy as fuck to make sound incredible. English is a difficult language for poetry.
Is self publishing worth it in 2016?
...worth what?
Depends on what you want to do. Actually, I wanted to make my own thread on self-publishing but I may as well ask here.
Any anons here self-publish? How was it? What sites would you recommend?
>>8437390
you know the effort versus traditional publishing.
>if i forced on you a scalpel would you use it as i say i’ll sit still while you penetrate and slowly slice the flesh away milking from my skull with your acquiescent touch burrow deeper, quickly, faster at any moment this’ll be too much for me to take clutching arm as you descend latex stings, drill bit sings digging into brain until it bends now, please, for me i’ll say, with incandescent whine extract my anger from the sinew pluck my lust destroy my pride do these things make me a man asks my ego, lurid leech latching fast onto the stem with my malice and my greed my contempt does me no favours tied tight to intensity it looks too much like passion so they’re all taken from me with a swoop and rip assertion dead after ire cunning cut from contemplation so this is what they all admire and then fill the empty space with some cotton and some web stitch me up with twine tie a bow atop my mangled head and then everything’s fine
what did she mean by this?
If you're goona post shitty poetry at least use decent formatting
>>8437348
1/3rd in it dawned on me that it was Death Grips
>>8437372
Please, this is some voluptuous contemporary poetry and you're too stubborn to dull your /lit/ edge to appreciate it
Hey, /lit/,blackguy here. Can we have a black /lit/ thread? Specifically, I'm looking for any recommendations of contemporary black authors. Personally, I like Paul Beatty for fiction and Terrance Hayes for poetry, but honestly I'm just not super well read when it comes to black writers. I kind of just read shit like Cormac McCarthy and Hemmmmmingway because I guess I'man Oreo
Who are your favorite (and least favorite) black writers? Anyone to recommend? (Keep in mind that I am familiar with the big ones so you don't need to be like, "Ralph Ellison durr!")
I'd like to read contemporary black writers that maybe I haven't heard of, but I fear that most will be just too corny/SJW way too focused on race and "struggle". It is definitely pretty hard to write about a black character or experience without bringing those things up at all, but preferably I'd like to see it done more subtly or take a back seat to different themes.
I'd be really interested in reading a work by a black author that lampoons black people to some extent. Kind of like McGruder did with the Boondocks.
>inb4 /pol/ virgins and this thread devolving into an absolute shit storm
Marx looks pretty black from his pictures
>>8437323
Haha funny you should say that. I always wondered if he was like one of those "otcoroon" cats like Homer Plessy.
Coetzee
How many of you guys prefer erotica to porn? If so, what's your favorite erotic novel?
>hard mode: No Lolita
Male here. I much prefer reading pornographic material, than looking at images or videos. However, most of the content isn't well-written and can't establish any nuances ; most of the content is just for an easy jerk off, nothing really entertaining, uplifting or too interesting. Although, even if poorly written, some content is ''decent''. I would be in heaven if I ever found something that suited my sexual tastes and was well-written.
>>8437279
>putting hours into reading a book to wank you could spend trying to get a gf
>>8437346
Girlfriends are for plebs