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if my life were a novel the shitty part would be this thread

I was so pissed when Slothrop started playing Pacman toward the end of Gravity's Rainbow.

Did we really need fifteen pages of the arcade machine's perspective on three of the novel's minor characters who had played at the same exact machine earlier in time?

And then another three pages of Slothrop coming to terms with his inevitable Game Over?

Goldstein's book

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And yes I looked at the sticky. It's no help for me.

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>>8438068
>>8438079

A transition to advanced mathematics

Honestly just read Ecclesiastes and skip the rest.

Okay so I'm on the first page and it says

> In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

What did he mean by this?

>>8438066
I am very interested in alt translations of the bible. I've heard Robert Alter is pretty great for the old testament, but haven't looked into it much beyond that.

I plan to get Lattimore's new testament soon. I've read some excerpts and comparative reviews and it seems to be incredible and fresh, yet accessible. I'm sure he makes some contextual errors, since he is no biblical scholar, but his ability to translate Greek is unrivaled.

I'm in a similar boat, having read most of Plato and starting to look for some commentaries.

I've started touching base with the Bloomsbury Companion to Plato (sometimes called the Continuum Companion for some reason). 1-2 page synopses of all the dialogues, and then like 300 pages of commentaries on major themes throughout the texts.

Also have been considering the Cambridge Companion to Plato to get a smattering of essays not too heavily focused on any single aspect of his works.

Finally I glanced at "Plato's Second Sailing," which is specifically about the Republic, but I'm hesitant to get drawn into commentaries with such (relatively) specific scopes, as I'm sure there's no end to commentaries on Plato, and you could spend the rest of your life sifting through mountains of shit you probably don't need to ever read.

>perhaps after reading the dialogues 2-3 times so platofags dont bitch at me

You know Plato is like 1700 pages right? Just annotate while you read and summarize afterwards; you don't want to spend your whole life reading Plato (probably).

Also at least the first two books I mentioned are easily pirated, but let me know if you have trouble with that and want me to upload a pdf to mega or whatever.

Socrate's second sailing is by benardete, who is notoriously cryptic. It's a great book on the Republic, but I thought it was very advanced.

The upper level straussians are writing esoterically themselves, revealing their true opinions pretending like they're philosophers themselves.

I don't have any big recommendations for a companion on all of plato, it seems like such an enormous undertaking. I would read a dialogue and then read a bit about that dialogue.

Maybe Zuckert 'Plato's Philosophers' but thats a huge book. Still, it covers many of the dialogues.

I've liked essays like On The Euthyprho by Strauss in the Rebirth of classical political rationalism.

On the Symposium, I like the book Eros and Polis by Ludwig, gives a different perspective than that exoteric bullshit. Also strauss's lectures series on the symposium is dope.

Bloom's essay on the Republic, also Benardete.

I would recommend a dialogue by dialogue approach to secondary lit. There's so much in Plato, do you really want to know the significance of the fourth letter fits in the whole? Or the Menexus. Only a handful of people on the planet can answer those with any coherence.

what makes plato compelling is in the ambiguity of his stories, the drama and action of the dialogues. Some philosophers like Kant try and give a framework through which to understand the world, others contribute by probing questions

It's important to remember that Socrates very often gives contradictory views. And Plato never speaks (although he is present in a couple dialogues).

Point is, I think it's better to find "Plato" by heavily researching one or two dialogues, then adding others as they become relevant.

For example, the Republic might lead you to the Symposium, which then would lead you to the Lysis, etc.

So for secondary lit, I would find highly regarded essays or books about a single dialogue. Read that, get a feel for how Plato subtly plumbs the depths of a matter, read some other perspectives, and then move on.

I think specifics are more interesting, but I am considering studying plato for the rest of my life so I'm biased.

>>8438053
I have read it. It's alright.

>>8438055
How do you rank it among other Russian classics?

>>8438053
I've read it and i do love it. Favorite rusky book besides Dead Souls

I have angry eyebrows drawn on the front cover of my copy, and it faces a copy of Fathers And Sons (also with angry eyebrows drawn on) on my bookshelf

>>8437999
>Rosalind: Alas, poor shepherd, searching of thy wound
>I have by hard adventure found mine own.

Was this supposed to be a sex pun?

>>8437999 (OP)
The Tempest

>O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space--were it not that I have bad dreams.

The greatest sentence written in English.

>In me thou see’st the twilight of such day
>As after sunset fadeth in the west;

The most beautiful simile in English.

>>8438008
probably, Shakespeare couldn't even write tragic last words without slipping in a sex pun.

>O happy dagger, this is thy sheath.

and Much Ado About Nothing even has a sex pun for a title. God bless the man.

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>>8437989
yes city of god by paulo lins. it's amazing.

>>8438010
I already saw the movie so I know what happens

>>8438032
lol the movie is nothing like the book. the book follows many different characters over a bunch of generations. the movie speeds through the first few years then only follows a couple people. ending is totally different and all that shit. I still recommend it. movie is one tenth of the book.

i dont
loneliness is cool

>>8437988
I just read constantly so I don't have to think about anything. it really works. I'll read on the bus. read at work. read when I get home. read when I sleep. read in the shower. read while I jerk off and so on and so forth.

by spending time with other people and immediately realizing i'd rather be alone

Can ego be an illusion of the consciousness if it is the consciousness?

>>8437943
Stirner actually says the ego is a spook.

>>8437972
Are spooks a spook?

that's
>no glot, clom fliday
right?

it's a chinese guy's broken-english attempt at saying he's out of dope, try again on friday

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>>8437885
read the whole fucking book. last paragraph of the chapter "Ordinary Men and Women":

(Note: Old time, veteran Schmeckers, faces beaten by grey junk weather, will remember.... In 1920s a lot of Chinese pushers around found The West so unreliable, dishonest and wrong, they all packed in, so when an Occidental junky came to score, they say: "No glot.... C'lom Fliday....")

>ectoplasm

Yeah or I could just save time and watch history channel

>>8437854
Not everyone came from a retard family.

>>8437859

The majority of your family from 400 to 1900 A.D. were experts on the Roman Empire?

Definitely look into night jobs.

A friend of mine works for a senior's home type service. Some near death patients require 24 hour care, but also sleep 10+ hours a night. So basicly, someome needs to sit there, awake, for all the dark hours.

Seems like a good deal if you wanted to write.

just go on welfare like the lefties on this board want us to be able to

My brother worked a night job at a factory where they pretty much just needed him to make sure everything was running properly. He just had to be there. Maybe look into those types of jobs.

Dont

end yourself

Ed Edd n Eddy Darker Days part one

The day started like no other day, it was a beautiful day in the peach creek cul de sac in Peach Creek, Washington, just near Seattle and Seattle being close to the border and to Vancouver whick AKA cartoon studios is located which was the company that made the show. This is NOT A LOST EPISODE Creepypasta, this is simply something that happened in the EEnE universe. Eddy was in his room on his bed, he was wearing Zebra striped pyjamas, think of it like Too Cool's entrance and fighting attire from Wrestlemania 2000 (16) that happened April 2nd 2000 in Anaheim. Eddy stretched and yawned and scratched in peculiar places, "man, what a good sleep" said Eddy, "I'm gonna go shower mom!" he shouted. Eddy goes into the washroom and strips to his underwear, he brushes his teeth and gargles mouthwash. He puts shaving cream on his head and shaves it off, "dang, i look good" he says in his famous growly and gravely voice. He hops in the shower and turns on the water, after 20 minutes of showerin' May Kanker breaks the door down with an axe and flushes a toilet. "get that peepee nice and ready Eddy!" she yells, "Oh god no!" says Eddy. May jumps into the shower with a pair of pliers and begins to rip his pubic hair out piece by piece. Blood, very red blood spills out and his entrails soon follow.

>>8437748
who is Thomas Pynchon

Who is GRRM

Only a hack gives their work to TV writers to finish

>>8437748
Who is DFW?

>>8437739
i like them tight with a soft cover

ok

what are you reading op? or what do you really want to read?

i'm about to start Waiting for Godot.

>>8437739
no