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Pynchon will be fine, right guys? RIGHT!?

I'm getting worried about him.
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>>8895083
Why wouldn't he?
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You won't know Pynchon is dead for a long time after it happens
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>>8895083
He will die

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What's the greatest literary work to come out of your home country

Pic related
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idk probs something by neruda
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why are all dorian gray covers pictures of some generic looking face that doesnt look like how he was described?
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b o l a ñ o

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What's it called when characters in a novel go into a jungle, or go South, and it signifies/symbolizes them becoming closer to their animalnature/uncivilized/primeval etc


Is there a word for this trope?
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>>8895022
seeking onesself?
shamansim? such as what they would do after there dutys in the tribe are fullfild they would go into the jungle to find ones spirit animal or such things and that would be there 'initiation'

somthing like that?
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>>8895022
It's called "the author being a tripey hack".
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WE WUZ syndrome

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The only reason I own physical books is to impress my house guests. How about you?
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>>8894974

With those books, I really hope this is sarcasm.
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This is a joke right?
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>>8894988
HAVE YOU READ MCELROY?
HAVE YOU READ GASS?
HAVE YOU READ YOUNG?
HAVE YOU READ FRANK?
HAVE YOU READ MOORE?
HAVE YOU READ MARLEY AND ME?

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Any love for Thoreau on this board? Who else could compare to his fundememtal skill?
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>>8894926
>fundememtal

lol are u a women?
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>>8894934
Obviously a simple typo, you goon.
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>>8894936
>roastwhore damage control

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Having realised one's epistemological limits and swept away all spooks from one's mind accordingly, how is a man to live? I have become the victim of my own analytic strength; no room is left for naive hope. Please be kind and recommend me some lit that deals with these feels.
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You have doubted with Descartes and atrophied with the analytics

Now it is time to flourish with the phenomenologists
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The Conquest of Happiness - Bertrand Russell
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>>8894906
This. Phenomenology is the only place to go.

>I have become the victim of my own analytic strength; no room is left for naive hope.

wew.

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Hi guys. So I wrote a short story for a girl I like. I plan to show her this and ask for her opinion. But before I do that, I wanted to hear your opinion. The story is called "Stupid" and you can call me Koro.

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You are stupid.

"Well, if you are so smart, how come you are alone?"

Well, it's because I am also stupid. It takes a stupid to spot one, you see?

The first time I realized I was stupid, I was in love. I thought she was in love, also. We'd stare at each other's eyes, count the stars on the sky, bring one down onto our lips and exchange them, and a million other things stupid people do. And this was on just one day. So the second day, I realize I know enough about life to know what true love looks like, and that eternity started today. So I met her, and said "I love you" for the first time. She looks back, she looks down, she gets kind of agressive and says that I shouldn't say something so serious so lightly. So I grabed her hand put it on my chin, smile and say "I know. But what can I do? I love you, and that's all there is to it."

She spent most of the evening in silence. Suddenly, with just a few words, a huge abyss separated us. We didn't break up until she confessed she cheated on me. This, just a few days later.

Three years I pondered. "Why did I say what I feel with honesty when everybody says this is stupid?" Some said that it was my fault for saying I was in love before knowing for sure. However, as our favourite singer would say, how could they possibly know how I feel when the only one around here that is me, is me?

Anyway, the love never faded away, but my hopes did. So I moved on, and met other stupid girls, who also said they loved me before knowing for sure. Because, how could they know I was the one, when I knew that the one for me was someone else?

After many years I finally figured it out. The only stupid one, was me. I was never in love. I was just heartbroken. I projected on another person all the solutions to all my problems. I projected on her my favourite artists. I automatically laughed at all her jokes. I had fun with her. I would say that I could read her mind, and she would say I did just to please me.

The answer for the dilemma was obvious. She is a psychic! So I ran off to tell her. That she could read my mind and so and so on. That I had mistaken that for true love, that I had already realized that the seven years in wait were just a very long time of denial. That I had found true love many times, and that I realized that we were all meant to leave each other as brothers. I asked her to close her eyes and place her hand on my chest, and read my mind, read all that I had found for her.

That's when she started to cry. "You stupid fool" she said.

That's when I realized I was actually very stupid, and I think you must be as stupid as me if you are standing here, rejecting my kiss when you're all alone as well.

(this is where you kiss me)
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Its decent. A bit tryhard, things like "bring one down onto our lips and exchange them" (with whats before it) and "a huge abyss seperated us" contrast too heavily with the tone of the rest of it. Could also cut out most of the last 2 long paragraphs, they dont add too much. I like the basic concept
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>>8894869

Thanks for the feedback man! I reall y appreciate it.
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Look, homie. You gotta improve your voice, man, that's the shit that girls are gonna want to hear. Not adding so many contractions, like "you're and "that's", it makes you sound super robotic. This is supposed to be really personal, so, really, just write like you're talking. Nobody says "you are" out casually like that, it doesn't sound genuine. Also, dude, you gotta step up your comma game, and add some complex sentences to this shit. Subordinating conjunctions are gonna be your friend, my dude, because you convey a lot of your thoughts through a simple sentence, immediately proceeded by a compound sentence. Cut those two into a nice, beautifully linguistic complex sentance, because, more often than not, she's gonna be more impressed with the flow of your writing than the actual content itself. Beautiful language can distract from aimless content, never forget that.

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What do you care about, /lit/?
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The truth
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>>8894774
why's that?
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>>8894774
whats that?

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So my uncle recommended I read ralph waldo emerson, but I don't know which of his works to read because my uncle didn't really specify. Which works of his are most important?
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hmmm...
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Just read his Essays. On Nature, and whatever else of his writings look interesting (Representative Men, The Conduct of Life, etc). They're all pretty digestible.

If you are (really) mystically inclined check out Versluis' book on Emerson's On Nature.
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>>8894746
It's ironic because you should read self reliance (and other essays)

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When you read do you say the words to yourself or am I the only one?
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>>8894735
What the fuck do you mean? Explain your thoughts, holy shit
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I read out loud. Usually I do it into a pillow so I don't wake people up at night.
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>>8894739
I'd say I have a conversation with myself I say every word in my head at the pace in which I speak. I read slower, but I remember a lot.

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Post the work(s) that you believe to be your best. Others may give critique if they wish. Critiques may be positive or negative because that's what a fucking critique is. Have fun!
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Mammoth flocks of a ragged array.
Original jets and skyward tombs
Devilish and doom;
Two moons, mid-ballet.

Cloaks atop bitter zephyrs, leaving the breeze.
Married on a candlelit hilltop.
Picture this, just pause.
Amidst the orchard, gaze unto ease

Then Bark is stripped from the trunks
And drifts outward in a slow race.
Universe is reaching entropy right in front of my face
Thus, my heart sunk.

Gold flakes litter the wretched underneath;
You, Goddess, you, Aphrodite;
Your pride and your apologies
Lay waste to the beasts

Slain beneath the soft haze.
Act number two approaches.
Chain of thick metal rings and broaches,
Asphyxiation of the final phase.

But I still seek and have a fool's heart
With a romantic inclination.
Mostly noticeable, is the separation
That begun from the big bang's start.

Not quite prone to this disease of an emotion.
Sparkling,
Her eye's lift up and away while I'm darkening.
Collapsing chest at the bottom of the ocean.

Wanting you is seven desires to fly.
Detachment towards above.
Strange thing about love
Is that he only misses when you are mine.

Globules of a past self, worry free,
Slither upon your ground.
Terribly shattering, I've found,
The ways of wicked jealousy.
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Note: Read it in Robert De Niro's voice for extra immersion

JOURNEYMAN

Here I am, alone. A cold mug of coffee in my hand, bitter to the taste.
I try to drown, the sound, of title shots and loud beat downs, which echo through the fabric of my skull.


Here I am, in a café that never closes, sitting quietly in the darkness, listening to the sound of distant voices.
I think of all the guys who bet their hard earned dimes, time after time, on a dark horse.


I’m no raging bull, I’ve pulled a punch or two;
but when the brutal bruises and jostling jabs hit home, they broke the flesh and bone, like a bulldozer through stone.


As I drink the bitter drink, each sip colder than the last, the memories of my littered past come flooding back.
All the late night acts, the guys getting smashed or smacked, below the belt of decency and reason.
The down and outers, who, without a care, cling on the ropes of their sorry affairs.
The Palookas who are going nowhere.


This is it, my last haymaker. I’m kissing canvas. I’m punch-drunk.
But here, in my desperate slump, I carry on.


Day by day, they may walk over me, but I won’t throw in the towel so easily.
As I stare into the depths of my black coffee, all I can see is the sucker who was sucker punched, the guy I used to be.


Pound for pound, I was a clown, gloves too big, and a fancy dressing gown.
It was inevitable that I would go down.
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>>8894742
Enjoyable to read. Nice scheme.

The lambs are falling,
Following gravity like the good shepherd's herd.
The lambs are falling,
Like time will tell them just when to stay upright is absurd.
The lambs are falling, and falling, lured by tempting stares.
Impaired beings of hot air and limp fur in the wind.
Initial velocity slips into a sinful lull.
The lambs are falling.
The lambs are falling.
Canis lupus prowling, scooping up dirt with a full sprint.
The lambs are falling, far past that point of speech.
Useless lint at the bottom of your pocket.
Little did Little Red Riding Hood know, grandma had no teeth.
The lambs are falling, right into place, right and left.
The lambs are trapped in a web of lace.
The lambs are tilting.
Vertigo: unlimited.
The lambs are falling into a downward spiral,
Into a cage with the Viral,
Into the arms of another depressed child.
The lambs are falling like meteors and like trauma.
Scouring the strings and plane with no seating for the wilds.
I'll be your lamb.
I'll ram this flailing body of dormant tissue and sail, not more.
The lambs are falling.
The lambs fell just before municipalities did.
Just before cities and towers and people died, four horses were ridden.
Newfound good riddance to mankind.
Sitting down, willingly, when one could give up and drift down.
The lambs are floating for two and half minutes before they drown.
The lambs are brought to the core of it all.
Father, for it is I who weeps in the presence of your shown light.
Father, for it is I who seeps down through the porous tunnels of the bright.
The lambs sought eternity, infinity, endless possibility,
Adventure and tombstones, other things that fall just as easily,
Other falling lambs, great shepherds that will lead on and on.
The lambs are falling in line.
All is going according to plan; All is a song with a particular scheme for rhymes.
All is falling as lambs do tonight.
Mary's bones wither into ash unto green pastures.
Father, for it is I who seeps down through the porous tunnels of the bright.
Without guidance, the lambs are falling.
Rock bottom is a literal term for the ephemeral yearn to be with another falling lamb.
The lambs are falling in sickness and in health, together.
The lambs are falling, abreast to the burn, resting for an everlasting forever.
When below is reached;
When ties binding us towards downwards bleach and break,
The lambs will fall for falling's sake.

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What are some /lit/ approved hobbies/ fun activities?

I thought about getting into photography but shit's expansive and I am a wagecuck
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>>8894617
reading, assumedly
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>>8894631
aside from that obviously
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>>8894637
writing, perhaps

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Is this the most absolute work of art in the history of literature?
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no.
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>look at me i have the most sick word game teeheeheheh
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>>8894602
No, that would be Dante. It's pretty fascinating, though.

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1. How is it possible to care about philosophy when you realise that you are literally flailing about within the infinitely large space of unfalsifiable possibilities? The only difference between STEM and other parts of philosophy is that in STEM the axioms and criteria for validity are more widely accepted. That's it.

2. What the hell can a non-STEM philosopher who works at Harvard or Oxford POSSIBLY have to say, that is either / both: non-trivial or uses axioms that are extremely widely accepted? It never happens!

3. Why do people pretend that "objective" morality exists? Why isn't it acknowledged that in a non-universally Christian society without a widespread belief in a god who is external to the universe, the idea of "objectivity" collapses in to a trivial "whatever I define it to be" (a human definition").

Replace "morality" and "objective" with "quiggle" and "bibble" respectively, two terms with arbitrary definitions. Does bibble quiggle exist? This shows how absurd people are in thinking that philosophers can have anything to say. I just provided two arbitrarily defined words that we can argue about for the next 2000 years? So why do philosophers not talk about bibble quiggle or "Does an objective list of rules for Football exist?"? That's easy to answer. (NOTE: THE ANSWER RELATES TO "PRACTICE OF PHILOSPHY", NOT "PHILOSOPHY" I'm not I shitting on reasoning itself). The answer is that philosophers are instantly drawn to the important sounding questions in order to gain attention and funding. They flee any field that has been colonised with scientists who use maths at a greater than high school level, even though they truthfully tell us that the scientific method is merely one out of infinitely many methods.

Note: AT ROOT, I simply point out the trivial conclusion that an unfalsifiable system is infinitely large. So I don't even shit on philosophers or the pseudo intellectual hangers on. THEY shit on everyone else because other people didn't bother learning their ONE particular self referential system out of the INFINITE possible number. Don't ask me why I shit on unfalsifiability. I don't. Ask why Philosophers, as Philosophy is currently practised, shit on everything other than themselves.
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BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL!
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>Why do people pretend that "objective" morality exists?

Because it does.
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That's an interesting philosophy you've got my man.

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Alexander/Napoleon Slash Edition

The reading for day 9 is B2 Part 2 Chapter 14 through (and including) Part 3 Chapter 10, pp. 421-475.

If you can, please write up topics for discussion for today.

>New poll for day 9
https://www.strawpoll.me/11973355

>Ebooks and audiobook
https://mega.nz/#F!4QVj1b4B!BMF7h3um_c5qWHQCP_aw6g

Previous threads >>8891147 >>8887705 >>8877795
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Reading Schedule
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Is Alexander and Napoleon the otp?
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Natasha dies

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