Wtf this book sucks, the protagonist is a poopyhead
>>8897361
don't identify with Holden, examine him. listen to what he says and weigh it against his actions. pay special attention to the theme resolution in the final scene(the carousel & the brass ring) and see how that theme played out in Holden's experiences throughout the book in his interactions with the other characters; younger, same age, and older than himself
Is the "you're supposed to hate Holden" meme the worst thing to happen in modern lit?
>>8897361
I just started reading this and he seems like the school shooter type
How many books do you think a writer of serious literature has read?
Do you think they have read all the classics?
>>8897327
At least 10
true writers are too busy writing to read anything
>>8897327
it really depends
every one before joyce (and including him) probably had read most of the classics
Once and for all, what the fuck translation of dosto should i get. P&V seems to get praise sometimes, but other times they get the most shit for resembling "fan-fiction"
>>8897315
>P&V
surely is reddit here, get garnet you homo mongo
>>8897315
As I say every time, anything modern ~1950+ (this includes P&V) is fine. Footnotes/endnotes are helpful.
I'm not just speaking out my ass, I've read many different translations and all are good.
When you are reading a book, and the characters start singing a song and the lyrics are provided, do you skip reading it?
I do
No you dummy the lyrics are obviously provided for thematic reasons. I pay even more attention if anything. The same reason why you should pay attention to the lyrics of pop songs that come on in the background of television programs. Why else would they have the lyrics show up on closed captioning?
I always read it, unless Tolkein wrote it.
>>8897384
KNOWLEDGE
Name a more iconic villain. I'll wait.
more like a more evident spook
Sephiroth
>tfw today i bought a little notebook to use as a diary desu
Why havent you?
>>8897227
my diary desu
Diaries are for little girls desu
I make my own notebooks. Just buy nice paper, fold them in half, put them together in folios, sew them together, glue the spine, put a marker if you want, prepare the cover with a fake leather paper over a thin cardboard, glue the insides to the cover, make a pocket on the outside if you want. Dozens of tutorials online. The first ones look like crap, but it gets better.
What's his endgame?
he just wants to have some banter with a bunch of pals
>>8897179
He's the devil.
I think you'd have to have a doctorate in hard science and maybe even maths to understand, anon. McCarthy is brilliant, he only enjoys talking to math and science professors.
How did popular consensus pick an incomprehensible piece of meaningless shit to be "the best novel of the 20th century"?
Did an entire generation of critics fall in line just to save face and avoid appearing like they "don't get it"?
Maybe try reading it.
>>8897136
What parts did you find incomprehensible?
>>8897136
http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/rickard/synopsis.html
How is it that other characters don't recognize how socially inept Humbert is? Humbert acts like a total sperg and for some reason, no one ever talks about it.
How would one successfully write a comedic version of Lolita? Surely it would have to be satire. How would you do it?
>>8897015
He's an european intellectual who quotes in French, I think people kind of expect him to be a sperg.
Idk about your satire version of Lolita, child fucking does not lend itself to a lot of comedic value
>>8897031
You don't think anyone could successfully write a comedy about a pedophile?
>>8897125
Of course you can, but I don't think that a lot of people would find it funny
>Poetry
>Play
>Short story/ Novella
>Novel
>Screenplay
screenplays are for films
She put a napkin on her head, silly bint
>Novel/Epic
>Short Story/Novellas
>Play/Opera
>Poetry
>Screenplay
Hitler falls into the class of the medicine man, the mystic, the seer. He has about him a dreamy look. In fact all this is the most significant element about him. He is not a leader in the sense that Mussolini is. When Hitler speaks he tells the Germans nothing new, but simply what they want to hear. Especially he is the mirror of that inferiority complex which is so markedly a German characteristic.
One of the reasons for this is that the Germans are comparatively young as a nation. When at last they became a unified nation they found that the British and French had been nations long before them and that they were too late in the scramble for colonies, whereas the British and French possessed rich colonies and all that belongs to a fully matured nation. This made Germany jealous and resentful.
Out of it there came the World War, and when Germany lost this she became even more dominated by an inferiority complex. Just as the Jews of old looked for a Messiah who would deliver them, so the Germans have looked for their savior, and in Hitler they believe they have found him.
Hitler is simply what the Germans have made him. You cannot realize that too clearly. It is the key to understanding him and also the Germans themselves. He is like a mask, but there is nothing behind that mask.
>>8896926
>inferiority complex
>German characteristic
>>8897040
Not my words, but Carl Jung's. Contrast it to what's happened today and I think you'll find he was spot on.
Which of Jung's writings is that from? Seems interesting
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KFvy5mStiQ
Is he right, /lit/?
Pretty much especially on the relationship part.
I wish i could be as woke as he is.
>>8896872
The time the universe has is infinite, but the time humans, our solar system has is finite, therefor we're worth at least that fraction.
Sex isn't shameful at all. That's a socially groomed condition.
He's joking of course.
>>8896898
I'm as woke as he is. Whatch you wanna know?
>>8896931
i wish i could abandon the limitations of my own subjectivity and lessen the distance i feel from others and myself.
.What can make me understand that i'm one with others and that we're all in it together?Some authors or philosophers, i don't know.
Is he the best translator for The Odyssey, The Iliad and The Aneid?
What about his other translations (plays)?
Pic unrelated
He's great. Just read him.
>>8896900
Why?
>>8896864
Very accessible. So is Lombardo. Read some samples of them and others to suite yourself.
This book is really fucking funny.
It doesn't instill the type of audible laughter in most comedies and, really, it hasn't delivered more than a handful of actual jokes, but the narrator's demise and the way the author delivers makes this brilliantly funny at times.
I guess this is what they call: a post-ironic book?
It's a classic
>>8896848
Nice try, Tao Lin.
>>8896848
Go to bed Tao.
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>>8896797
how is carpenter's gothic?
>>8896828
I don't know yet. J R is one of my favorite books of all time. A frolic of his own and the recognitions are both really good. I just need to read carpenters then agape agape. Gaddis is great. Have you read any of his work?
>>8896885
i read 100 or so pages of JR and fell off for some reason
dont know why