>decide to read some Norse mythology
>pick up the Prose Edda
>Prologue:
>In the beginning God created heaven and earth and all those things which are in them; and last of all, two of human kind, Adam and Eve, from whom the races are descended. And their offspring multiplied among themselves and were scattered throughout the earth.
>Near the earth's centre was made that goodliest of homes and haunts that ever have been, which is called Troy, even that which we call Turkland. This abode was much more gloriously made than others, and fashioned with more skill of craftsmanship in manifold wise, both in luxury and in the wealth which was there in abundance. There were twelve kingdoms and one High King, and many sovereignties belonged to each kingdom; in the stronghold were twelve chieftains. These chieftains were in every manly part greatly above other men that have ever been in the world. One king among them was called Múnón or Mennón; and he was wedded to the daughter of the High King Priam, her who was called Tróán; they had a child named Trór, whom we call Thor.
Why did Sturluson make Thor a human, from Troy, and not even the son of Odin? Why is the Judeo-Christian creation myth in here? WTF is this mess?
>>8892652
>turkland
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Judeo-Christian myth
>myth
Neck yourself
>>8892679
no u
Give me the Master of Puppets of literature
>>8892616
What are the themes and aesthetics of master of puppets in short?
Do you actually discuss literature with anyone IRL?
None of my friends are readers in the sense that I am. Many of them don't read at all, some (despite being adults) read lots of YA romance, and one exclusively reads eastern mythological texts.
Do you talk about literature with people or is it all just shitposting?
>>8892560
sit on my face bb
>>8892560
this question has been posted 57.982 times
>>8892560
I've got only one friend with whom I can discuss literature.
Is any other novel a better example of a meme?
I just finished GR. It wasn't the worst thing ever but holy crap was it overhyped. It had a lot of legitimately humorous, impressive, or moving scenes but there is no connecting tissue in between. 60% of the scenes in the book were just narratively isolated, grotesque, or thematically irrelavant. Again, not horrible.
I'm not some STEM pleb who just hopped in the deep end, here, I've read a lot of bizarre, long, and complex stuff but none of those things were bizarre, long, and complex just for the sake of it--just to be the "ultimate" postmodern novel. The style of a novel should entice, manipulate, guide, and provoke the reader; not berate them. "Blood Meridian," for example, is a long, dense, and stylistically obscure book that nonetheless uses these tools to draw the reader into a sense of desolation and ultimately deliver a powerful apocalyptic meditation on the evil of man.
I would be willing to bet that well over 50% of the people who have picked up GR haven't finished it and over 50% just pretend to like/"get" it because they seem dumb if they don't. The very definition of a meme book. I think when it came out it was so impenetrable that there was an academic race to comprehend it and people needed to act they were mining greater and greater depths from it in order to be smarter than the crowd. Eventually this behavior spread to an imageboard for anime enthusiasts and suddently you're a pseud.
Anyways, if you like GR feel free to expound on its virtues and if you didn't like it, explain why. I won't judge either of you guys, I'm just trying to get more perspectives here.
>>8892464
Perhaps you're just colorblind and couldn't appreciate all the colors of the rainbow
>>8892607
...holy...
>>8892464
>Thinking Blood Meridian even compares to GR
Is there any literature a fan of Black Metal would like? I'm not talking about artists' biographies, but something inspired by or related to the aesthetic.
Books about Scandinavian mythology.
i honestly think some high fantasy (such as Malazan Book of The Fallen, The Black Company), have a raw and overpowering element for pleb fiction readers as myself, comparable to black metal.
To get a more literature related sugestion, i think you should look up more anti-christian, nihilist stuff, although i cant recommend anything specifically.
>>8892370
No, real literature doesn't offer the instant masturbatory gratification of trash culture like electrified music or video games.
You're welcome.
List the books you read in 2016:
IJ, Mrs Dalloway, GR, White Noise, Hamlet, As I Lay Dying.
Currently on:
Best American Essays 1998
The Odyssey
The Tunnel
I'm a very slow reader.
>Catcher in the Rye
>The Biography of Nick Drake by Patrick Humphries
>The Lords and The New Creatures by Jim Morrison
>Touching From a Distance by Deborah Curtis
>Shakespeare's Sonnets
I only started reading in December.
On the Road
Slaughterhouse Five
Post Office
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Junky
The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
The Dharma Bums
Mother Night
Factotum
Hells Angels
Naked Lunch
The Kandy Kolored Tangerine Flake Streamline Baby
Sometimes a Great Notion
Big Sur
The Sirens of Titan
Notes of a Dirty Old Man
The Great Shark Hunt
Cities of the Red Night
Radical Chic and Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers
Sailor Song
Of Mice and Men
/lit/, i used to read a lot when i was younger, but mostly fiction.
Now i want to read some good and classic books and authors, how should i start?
Start with Bottom's Dream by Arno Schmidt.
The Greeks. Start with them.
The Russians. Start with them.
Post your favorite American novels and poetry that are/is painfully underrepresented in the usual /lit/ thread.
Nothing American is worth reading
>>8892260
Longfellow
OP here. I'm surprised that this board rarely mentions Philip Roth at all, given how highly Harold Bloom thinks of both American Pastoral and Sabbath's Theater. One of my favorite reads of the year has been a recommendation by Jonathan Franzen-- Jane Smiley's The Greenlanders. Absolutely beautiful novel about the multiple generations of two primary families and more situated in Greenland during the 14th century. It's not only an interesting study of how people evolve within their family units and in relation to others, but also in its contrast of the warmth of the family novel with this cold, pastoral, slowly changing place and the unraveling of the colony. The saga-style writing also fits with the vision of the novel and its setting.
>>8892263
Who by?
>>8892302
I need to get on Song of Hiawatha for sure.
What is the best translation of The Iliad for a first time reader?
Fagles
>>8892245
Lattimore/fitzgerald/fagles for first read
Chapman for the rest.
>>8892245
the latin translation
What is the medium opinion on the works of Lovecraft around here?
I commonly enjoy his shorter stories, but others seem like "normie-horror" material made to unnerve the housewives of his time.
It's one of the few things I have the patience to read and the primary reason I go on this board.
Sue me.
>>8892119
>normie-horror
you're not worth addressing seriously.
Let's skip the smalltalk and discuss the nigger poem, like in every other HP thread.
What university are you at, /lit/? What are you studying? What are you reading at the moment?
>>8892076
>THE University of Oklahoma
>Electrical Engineering
>MiddleMeme
>>8892076
Currently studying Philo at UCLA, Reading Candide
a really bad one
computer science
gravitys rainbow
Hey /his/, I am desperately in need some help making sense of the implications of Hume's proposed problem of induction and /his/ redirected me here.
Hume considers himself to be an empiricist as far as I know, but doesn't his criticism of induction undermine empiricism as a whole? If obtaining knowledge through induction is not logical, then the scientific method, based on empiricism is fundamentally flawed. I get that he says that it's our constant experience of impressions that allows us to form ideas and connect them (which demonstrates his empirical conviction; experience is key to forming ideas and obtaining knowledge) and relate them through the flawed concept of causality.
But again, the flawed concept of causality greatly undermines empiricism, so why is he considered to be an empiricist instead of a skeptic, since he attempts to undermine rationalism but also damages empiricism with his arguments, seemingly rejecting both? Is the fact that he said that we have to accept the limitations of induction and work with that the reason he is considered an empiricist instead of a skeptic?
Finally, which part of his proposed problem of induction undermines rationalism as he claims to be doing? Or does the undermining of rationalism stem EXCLUSIVELY from his ideas & impressions initial framework and not at all from his causality argument?
I feel like I've made a critical misunderstanding in my analysis of Hume and would greatly appreciate it if someone could detect and highlight it to me. Keep in mind I'm not studying philosophy in university, so if you have to introduce new terms to explain stuff please clarify what they mean or use terms that I can refer to online. Thanks in advance.
>>8892055
*meant hey /lit/
It sounds like you've conflated empiricism with the scientific method.
Empiricism does not allow for induction, the scientific method does - at least as practiced in labs across the world. The alternative would be Popper's brand of falsification, which avoids induction by definitively proving ideas wrong via experiment.
>>8892090
How does 'proving' something wrong by experimentation avoid this problem? You cannot really eliminate it, for the same reasons you cannot accept something supported by experimentation. Experimentation will always merely provide an example of things going a certain way.
CRASH! We adopted a puppy. CRASH! My mail arrived. CRASH! Two cars outside narrowly avoided hitting each other.
>>8892054
Actually, that works as a story.
1) You and your family adopted a puppy and were bringing it home in your car.
2) The deliveryman, in his truck, arrived with the mail.
3) Your car narrowly misses the truck, but you crash into something else.
The "CRASH!" guides us to consider how these things connect with each other. They also serve as a combination of a "lights flashing before my eyes" moment and "*record scratch* you might be wondering how I got here...".
Overall, not bad.
the puppy one always gets me because the arrival of a puppy could easily result in a crash, or multiple crashes
>>8892082
That would be pretty cool actually.
People on this board have better writing ideas than any author.
What does /lit/ do with books they have read?
Collect them? Throw them in the garbage? Donate?
>>8892030
Return them to the library.
>>8892030
Usually lend them to your mum.
>>8892030
keep 'em. The only thing that makes people think I have depth and any kind of substantial self are the countless books i have clogging up my place
What's lit's oppinon on gregorian chant? Is it apocryptha? Is approved by the Pope? Is it opening hidden brainwaves when listenting so I can learn better? Will I learn latin if I go through every single one of them?
Ok, one real question, something I'm rally interested in.
>caelius
Every single rendition that I listen to, pronouces it ether c-aelius, ch-elius, or something else, isn't is k-aelius? Like in caesar-kaesar? C is always K in latin? Or am I missing something?
>>8892419
Latin pronunciation is split into classical Latin and ecclesiastical Latin. C is always hard only in classical Latin.
>>8892427
>ecclesiastical Latin
Yeah, but Gregorian is OLD as fuk. The question is was it written and intended for C or K?