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Thoughts? Better/worse than IJ? Extremely unfinished or mostly coherent? His best work? etc.
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>>8886783

Reminds me of something like The Castle or The Trial, I just like to think it's a nice homage to Kafka considering it never officially "ended", like a majority of his bigger novels.

Also does anyone else think The Pale King would be fantastic if it got an adaptation by Mike Judge(King of the Hill, Silicon Valley)? I really think he could do wonders with Wallace's work.
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>>8886791
how would you adapt an unfinished work, tho? finish the story? that seems like it would take the story even further out of Wallace's hands, which might not be in the best taste.
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>muh one page sentences

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>no luso thread
Let's fix that.

Post your text in portuguese, critique others.
http://pastebin.com/b2GEzwYb
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Alguém já leu algum dos livros do Valter Hugo Mãe? O que recomendaria?
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>>8886772
Nunca li nada dele, mas um amigo meu me recomendou O Filho de Mil Homens
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>>8886749
Li três livros do Daniel Galera recentemente. Meia-noite e vinte tem uma prosa fenomenal.

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I got Mason & Dixon for Christmas and, although I have a few other books to read before I start it, I read the first 10 or so pages to get a feel for it, and–
the book I finished most recently was Ulysses, which only once I found *very* challenging; during Oxen of the Sun. I mostly found it very enjoyable. But fuck, Mason & Dixon threw me off.
Is this book more difficult than Ulysses? Or am I missing out on something significant?
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I feel that I should add that I have read Pynchon before, I read V which I found incredibly enjoyable and also hilarious, I'd recommend it as essential if you haven't read it already.
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>>8886735
OP Pynchon didn't slack in emulating the writing from that time period. I think if you persevere through it you can learn to adapt to the writing style.
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It's not that hard. You may just not be used to the style. Go at it a few more times.

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why doesn't /lit/ ever talk about literature post 2000?

don't they know that discussing anything published prior to that date is infinitely played out and just makes you look like a english lit first year
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Gee let's see what's worth reading circa 2000s
Oh yeah fan fiction and racism and erotica and 600 genders and.... Oh that's why
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too bad infinite meme is 1996
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You'll have more luck on Goodreads with that.

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Why should i read this
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It's fun
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>>8886671
Don't, learning about works of literature that underly western culture is for homos and has NO purpose LMAO

you'll get farther ahead reading /lit/ shitposts 8 hours a day instead of that crap.

Read 'My Diary Desu,' by Me, instead.

:^)
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>>8886671
It's just exciting, especially if you're interested in ancient culture and warfare. Plus, everyone gets hit right near the nipple.

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where can I find objective writings on climate change? i still don't know whether to believe it. how can I come to a conclusion without blindly picking a side? both sides have their arguments that work when there is no debate.
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>>>/sci/

also anthropic climate change has a high probability of reality, based on lab experiments demonstrating the greenhouse effect, greenhouse gas ppm records correlating with global temperature increase and rising sea levels. Even if you "can't know", it makes so little sense to disbelieve in it, because anyone with a brain can see that it's quite possible and that in that case, we would literally all be doomed. Whereas curbing carbon emissions would merely be switching off coal/gas/oil electricity and engines, which the tech already exists for.
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>>8886589
Climate change is objectively happening, the relevant questions now are what's going to happen and how can humans minimize damage to the things they value. Some people try to keep the debate alive with 'it's big oils fault' and 'big oil dindu nuffin' but really, whodunnit isn't the relevant issue anymore, it's 'how to make things suck less as things warm up'


honestly anon you kinda missed the boat on this being an argument with 'sides' for political shitflinging, which given the way you phrased your question, seems to be what you wanted. Inconvenient Truth shitposting was over a decade ago.
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>>8886594
I agree with you RE: AGW

>curbing carbon emissions would merely be switching off coal/gas/oil

That isn't as simple as you just phrased it. In fact, doing what you state is quite complicated as it involves completely changing a large amount of energy and electricity infrastructure. Unless of course you are one of the radical people who expects both developed and third world countries to de-industrialise, dramatically reducing average living standards which have unquestionably increased over the industrial revolution.

Renewables like solar and wind have shown good improvement over the last decade or so. However, they simple can't produce the reliable baseload power required to keep the grid running in an industrial nation (barring an incredible improvement in battery tech). Just look at Germany for example, they have dramatically increased their wind power but they are continuing to increase carbon emissions. After fukushima, Germany decommissioned all their nuclear plants which produced high quality baseload power with no CO2. The amount of power produced by wind is highly variable and can’t meet the baseload required, so Germany has to keep their grid running from French nuclear and are now building more coal fired power plants, the opposite of what they should be doing.

I agree to some degree that we do have most of the ‘tech’ to replace fossil fuels with alternatives, especially for electricity and energy production. The key tech we should be turning to is nuclear power, especially fourth generation reactors and advanced breeder reactors as well as molten salt reactors. Most of these technologies have been used before and worked but it is still going to take lots of work to refine them for safe and efficient use on a mass scale. In addition if we really want to curb carbon emissions the new technologies need be able to economically undercut coal and other fossil fuels so they can be taken up by the third world.

Really a zero-net emissions grid/country is going to require a diversity of different energy technologies to be able to fully replace the gap left by fossil fuels. Not only does that offer good energy security but the different technologies can compete to offer the cheapest price to consumers.

Having said that for some uses like transportation it is very difficult to see fossil fuels being replaced. They offer very high energy per unit mass, while being cheap and are still rather easy to obtain. The few synfuels I have looked at fail to meet the energy per unit mass numbers of petroleum even if they were produced completely carbon free by say a nuclear plant. Hydrogen is too low density and takes up too much space to be used for transportation. So transportation is still a real issue in any post fossil fuel world.

this movie is /lit/'s fantasy

>anon is a grad student studying fiction
>everyone thinks anon is a weak sensitive pussy
>anon has a qt gf who believes in him
>they fall in love together
>they get older and real world hit, gf goes "anon do you really just want to write novels and work in a book store your whole life?"
>y-yes
>anon gets cuck'd by /biz/
>time skip
>anon has a traumatic experience that leaves him shattered
>comes out of it as more of a "man" but at what cost?
>pours himself into novel
>becomes a success
>cheekily dedicate book to ex gf and send her the manuscript to read
>"oh anon, l-let's reconnect"
> ok
> never show up to date thus reverse cucking ex gf who is now a 40 yr old with a saggy vag, and a husband who's cheating on her
>lmao

that's not exactly how the plot plans out. it's never revealed in the movie if the book is autobiographical or not. the film itself was adapted from a book that i've read is not that good but i might check it out in my free time - does it reveal in the novel if the book within the book is autobiographical? or is jake just being petty by dedicating the book? good movie though and i'm glad a gay guy directed it. not sure if a straight male would have gotten away with that ending
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>tom ford directs

>decent movies

always blows my mind he's actually talented
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>>8886582
>this movie is /lit/'s fantasy
>posts some /r9k/ shit with a normalfag success story and petty one-upmanship

Unaesthetic frogposter, contemplate 1000 sunsets before posting again
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>>8886621

lol being this chicken fried salty the day after christmas

Is there a literary reason for learning Romanian?
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>>8886571
If you've read the whole western canon in the original and speak English, Greek, Latin, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Czech, Russian, Chinese and Japanese, yeah, I guess.
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>>8886571
To say you can read Dracula in the original :))
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>>8886571

Hungarian and Czech literature are far superior.

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>tfw rejected for publication again
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The Santa hat almost lines up with Nick's head on my phone.

Also self publish, you fucking mongoloid. Being traditionally published or feeling any sort of achievement for it in this day and age is stupid. The only thing they care about is marketability and how much they will make with your measly royalty. Look at the absolute shit published that appeals to idiots (Hunger Games, Harry Potter, GoT, etc) and ask yourself does it even fucking matter?
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>>8886553
I have been published before. I always publish under different names. My aim is to allow journals the privilege of distributing my work.
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Wanting to be published is a sure sign that you're not writing anything good, anon desu senpai.

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Name a twentieth-century English-language novelist who had NO gimmicks.

Pic not fucking related.
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>>8886531
me but i suck
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>>8886531
Fitzgerald, Great Gatsby is without gimmicks anyway
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>>8886531
what is a gimmick?

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http://qz.com/869960/the-best-books-of-2016-list-you-get-when-you-combine-36-best-books-of-2016-lists/?utm_source=atlfb

What does /lit/ think of the best books of 2016? Is 2016 a woke time in book publishing?
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>>8886451
wow, a fat dyke tells me about my privilege
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>Slavery. Racism. Urbanism. Disease. While 2016 may not have been a banner year for liberal democracy in the world at large, it should definitely go down as a woke time in book publishing.
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Our 2016 Top 20 offers up nice variety—13 fiction books, seven nonfiction; 12 female authors, eight male; 12 white authors, eight authors of color. But more pronounced is the timeliness of the list’s recurring themes. All of the top four books are focused in some way on race, and two explicitly on slavery. Two of the books in the Top 20 are about Russia, and one is about America’s disaffected white working class. Two touch on health and disease, and another explores being transgender. Even the lighter fare—like The Girls, a breezy thriller that earned its 27-year-old author a $2 million advance—has plenty of gravity: Emma Cline’s debut is a riff on the women involved in the 1969 Charles Manson murders.

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Discussion thread.

I would consider the coverage of the group to also include essays, short plays, excerpts, and novelettes, but it's up for discussion.

Topics to discuss:
- What collection to use, if any
- Pacing
- Start date
- Discord?

/ssrg/ or /ssbc/ book club or /ssrc/ reading club?

Previous thread >>8867844
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Smart anon recommended The World's Greatest Short Stories (Dover Thrift Editions) 256 pages https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486447162/
$5. It contains:

Bartleby the Scrivener (1853, Melville)
The Necklace (1884, de Maupassant)
The Death of Ivan Ilyich (1886, Tolstoy)
The Man Who Would Be King (1888, Kipling)
The Yellow Wallpaper (1892, C.P. Gilman)
The Fortune-Teller (1896, Machado de Assis)
The Lady with the Toy Dog (1899, Chekhov)
How Old Timofei Died with a Song (1900, Rilke)
The Path to the Cemetery (1901, Mann)
The Prussian Officer (1914, D.H. Lawrence)
Araby (1914, Joyce)
Mrs. Frola and Mr. Ponza, Her Son-in-Law (1917, Pirandello)
The Mark on the Wall (1921, Woolf)
A Hunger Artist (1922, Kafka)
The Garden-Party (1922, Mansfield)
The Grasshopper and the Bell Cricket (1924, Kawabata)
A Clean, Well-Lighted Place (1926, Hemingway)
The Sacrifical Egg (1959, Achebe)
A & P (1961, Updike)
Borges and I (1962, Borges)

There is also 100 Great Short Stories for $6 768 pages https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486790215/ It has an impressive collection as well.

I am leaning towards the 100 Great one because it's almost 3 times and not much more expensive.

Also of consideration would be other Short Story collections, or a Norton Anthology. Old editions are fairly cheap.
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Going by a collection is probably a good idea, we don't have to quarrel about what to read next, and might stumble upon some authors that aren't so well-known on /lit/.

I think 2 stories per week would be nice. Really hope this thing actually gets going.
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>>8886389
Definately this, it takes away constant debate about the selection process, its a solid list and it begins with Bartleby which should always be counted on the handful of short stories ever written

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ITT: post your /lit/ waifu
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>>8886265
L E N I
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The original Myspace angle shot
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>>8886265
is that an adams apple lmayo

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What book will absolutely fuck with your mind?
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Depends on what you mean by "fuck with your mind." Are you asking for something that's abstract and difficult to actually comprehend or are you looking for something that's more concrete but will deeply challenge your preconceptions?
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>>8886226
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>>8886226
What exactly do you want?
For example
Guns, Germs, and Steel - Will make you realise that people with 0 idea of what they are talking about publish books and influence the world enough to destroy the greatest civilization.

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>When you realize that 4chan is the greatest example yet of a union of egoists

Really makes ya think
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>>8886219
......holy......

wow anon. I never thought of it like that
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>>8886219
>implying you are free to leave

remember you're here forever
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>>8886219
Holy,
I love Stirner now.

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