Forgive me /lit/ for I am but a peasant when it comes to consuming novels. The only notable books I have read during my life are:
Brave New World
1984
The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings trilogy
Interview with A Vampire series
Magician series
The Picture of Dorian Grey
Watchmen
Harry Potter series (so poorly written)
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo series (subtle rape culture propaganda)
Conqueror series
Give me a book to read that will make me a better person.
>>8914299
Read Kafka (Metamorphosis), Calvino (If on a winter's night a traveller/ Cosmicomics), Boulgakov (The Master and Margarita), Borges' short stories, Gogol's short sorties, Svevo (Zeno's Conscience). All relatively short books which are extremely fun to read, imo at least. Should get you hooked reading.
>>8914299
Portrait of The Artist as Young Man
I bought this yesterday and am on book 5 of Metaphysics. I barely understand anything. am I retarded?
I've read several other philosophers (Plato, Descartes, Leibniz, Spinoza), and never had this problem. Relative to their writings, reading Aristotle feels fruitless. I understand its his lecture notes, but he is autistically meticulous and his examples and definitions just exacerbate the problem. I don't want to have wasted $25. Does he get better once you've gotten used to him?
>>8914201
I would recommend you start with the Nicomachean Ethics; it is, in my opinion, Aristotle's most readable work. If that still is too difficult for you, Aristotle might just not be for you.
Aristotle is brutally, horrifically difficult, and even when you think you get him, all you've really accomplished is reading enough secondary scholarship on Greek/Aristotelian philosophy that you get the mainstream idea of what he's talking about. Then you read Heidegger's interpretation of Aristotle and it all falls apart again, or a handful of other, even weirder things.
If you've read Leibniz though I don't see how you could be so fucked though. I'm fine with Aristotle and Leibniz still pisses me off to read.
Just read him with extensive commentary.
>>8914201
Aristotle can be very difficult. Also keep in mind, Aristotle did not write, his works consist of the lectures that his students transcribed. As the other anon said, start with Ethics, its his easiest and possibly his most important work. You can also try reading secondary literature like Aristotle for Everyone by Adler, its a retarded sounding title but it neatly summarizes his work which will be helpful when you read the primary source, trust me.
Does anyone speak french? I can't get a good translation on a phrase. Probably has double meaning
Gare a ( with ` over it ) qui la touche.
Beware whoever touches it.
Google this: "Dieu me la donne, gare a qui la touche" ("God gives it to me, beware whoever touches it")
>>8914233
''Gare à qui la touche'' Is that it?
I'd translate it to : Whoever touches her / it, watch out! or Bewar whoever touches her / it.
Can someone please explain the appeal of dostoyevesky? I've tried reading Crime and Punishment and Notes From Underground. Every time the characters talk it's incoherent, like the underground man and the drunk official in chapter two of crime and punishment talking to rosrolnikov. Is that just supposed to be part of the existential part of the book? Because it makes you think about how human beings in general don't make sense sometimes? Is nothing supposed to make sense at all?
>>8914051
Because he appeals to certain philosophical notions of behavior, motivations and such. I've never met a person who was super deeply impressed by Dostoevsky who actually understood people*. His fans are always people who don't understand people at all, but are obsessed with creating models that "explain behavior".
Really they like this aspect of him, this pseudo-profound analysis of the human condition, that's full of errors of causation, that attracts people to him. More advanced thinkers see right through his bullshit perspective and move on to more important things.
*in particular, fedora Christians like Constantine are attracted to his views
>>8914078
Only on 4chan would you find a post like this.
>>8914078
>only autistic systematizing model-creators like dostoevsky's depictions of humanity
>BEEP BORT. DOSTOEVSKY'S CHARACTERS ARE FULL OF ERRORS OF CAUSATION. DOES NOT COMPUTE
you are projecting
Offer to start another book club on the board? I already read the current two, and I reckon a lot of you guys have as well.
Philosophy? Infinite Jest for the 300 who are waiting? Art of war?
I know it's pleb and >genre fiction but a fantasy/sci fi book club mite b cool
Let's read either the Iliad or the four great tragedies of Shakespeare.
>>8914025
I'd be down for these too tbqh
Anyone here buy from ThriftBooks a lot? How often do you get highlighting in your books if the condition is """""Good"""""?
I usually buy from Half.com. Any benefit to ThriftBooks?
I mostly purchase from Thriftbooks and the most I've ever run across are a few pen notes and underlines here and there. Nothing I would necessarily say was distracting.
>>8914225
I don't know about half.com but I can get free shipping on purchases over around ten dollars iirc
>>8914281
alright thanks
is this the greatest piece of american literature?
its british
>>8913877
Ameritards BTFO yet again. Dubs confirm
>>8913858
lol. stupendous truly wonderful spectacular.
Is he our guy?
I just started reading Monk's biography of Wittgenstein and have gotten to the part on Weininger's 'Sex and Character'.
>repressed dude
yup, definitely
>Today, Weininger is viewed as misogynistic and antisemitic in academic circles but was held to be a great genius by the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein
hmmmm interesting
>>8913853
>Is he our guy?
No. Kys.
A marxist post-structuralist continental Ecole Normale Supérieure professor and feminist activist was teaching a class on Martin Heidegger, known hermeneuticist.
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Nietzsche and accept that his genealogical method was the most highly-evolved theory the continent has ever known, even greater than Hegel's dialectics!”
At this moment, a brave, rational, positivist analytic philosopher who had read more than 15000 pages of Popper and Wittgenstein and understood the raison d'être of empiricism and fully supported all modern hard sciences stood up and held up the constitution.
”How universal is this text, frenchfag?"
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “It's not universal at all, fucking positivist, its 'truth' is rooted in our shared understandings about culture, the subject and the nexus of power and knowledge”
”Wrong. It’s been 225 years since human reason created it. If it was not universal, and post-modern relativism, as you say, is real… then it should be regarded as a myth now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of On Grammatology. He stormed out of the room crying those ironic post-modern crocodile tears. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Michel Foucault, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than an AIDS ridden sadomasochist interested in fisting. He wished so much that he had some kind of truth to hold on to, but he himself had written to disprove it!
The students applauded and all rolled into American universities that day and accepted Wittgenstein as the end of philosophy. An eagle named “Formal logic” flew into the room and perched atop the copy of "Principa Mathematica" and shed a tear on the hardcover. The last sentence of "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus" was read several times, and Karl Popper himself showed up and demonstrated how dialectics is nothing but a means of justifying contradictions.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and his "books" were disregarded for all eternity.
Isn't it pretty to think so?
>>8913776
>hermeneuticist
Do analytics actually have an issue with hermeneutics? Are they that retarded?
About to Crack into this. Any reading groups?
I say we start one for Anna Karenina
>>8913800
Anna Karenina, the whore?
That picture is too lewd for a sfw board
>money
>charisma
>looks
>people love them
>they'll never have to work in their lives
>AND NOW
>they have a book published
>you don't
>Kendall and Kylie Jenner published a book before you
So it's not...
>famous people write a book specifically to satisfy and indulge the curiosity of the commoners who are obsessed with them and place them on a pedestal
Is Kylie Jenner a modern-day Julius Caesar?
Is it good though?
Is there anything in the various Buddhist canons that responds to the argument: "desiring after the end of desire is paradoxical"?
What do you guys think of this argument? I hear it a lot but I'm not really sure what it's trying to prove. It seems pretty weak and I wouldn't be surprised if some early Buddhist writers dealt with it immediately.
It's more of a translation problem
Buddhist texts talk about ending 'craving' (tanha) - this is often translated as desire
Desire has a broader semantic field in English, it could mean craving, but it could also simply mean wanting something, a volitional stance.
>>8913735
This comic is unfunny garbage for redditors
>>8914385
Isn't even simple "want" a part of dukkha? Doesn't one's temperament towards dukkha also need to be altered?
Who are some actual contemporary poets of merit?
I'm looking for stuff other than SJW political/ideological agenda-driven stuff
I'm sure it's out there I just don't know where to look, because what is trendy right now is exactly the opposite of poetry
i donno bro read some literary mags, there's always a half dozen forgettable poems about non-edgy stuff every eissue
>>8913676
Yeah, just read a variety of lit mags. There'll be a lot of agenda-driven stuff in nearly all of them, but they don't consist entirely of it. Also read anthologies that aren't curated by ideologues.
What are you looking for in a contemporary poet?
>>8913729
Free verse done right. You have to know the rules in order to break them.
Why does /lit/ never discuss T.S. Eliot, who is the most influential poet of the 20th century
>>8913587
We discuss him more than most poets.
And there's always that one autist who calls you an undergrad when you make an objective statement about what the themes of the Waste Land and then ignores your post asking him to tell everyone what he thinks the poem is actually about, because I know you're reading this asshole and you're a pseud fag and you need to leave this board
Where do I start with Eliot?
>>8913587
Prufrock is amazing but Wasteland is overrated.
Read less in 2017.
Stop being buried in books.
Good things are good in moderation.
Go out and enjoy life.
Absorb sights and sounds around you.
Let yourself by consumed and inspired by the world.
rupi thread is over there
>>8909072
Kill a guy in self-defense
Burn down a church
Record black metal albums in prison
Complain about black people on the Internet
Get out of prison in only a couple decades for murder because you live in Norway
if you wanted to be taken seriously, why did you post that pseud and pathetic hack?