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How did you guys' year go?
Express your feelings of the year in a prosaic or poetic manner.
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brb suicide
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Pretty bad, but there were plenty of outlets for escapism on the world stage.
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mix of very good and very bad.
it was quite a ride.

2017 please be comfy instead.

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New chart incoming

Chapters 36 through 40

Seems like there are a few people catching up or just joining. I will slap some catch up days in a new schedule.

>Ebooks and audiobook
https://mega.nz/#F!NIcBwCYL!ZZo5gGqjat1yL_-RkuzZFw

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>>8908063
Here is the NEW chart.

Catch up or get ahead days tomorrow and the next day. Hopefully this helps the 3 or so people who are just joining us.

I guess people might also be doing stuff considering it is new year's. I probably should have factored that in from the beginning like with christmas.

Let me know what you think.
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>tfw no barouche full of qt Roman pesants to throw bouquets at

An obscure feel but a feel nonetheless
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The execution scene made me want to observe one. It was dantes' line "the more you observe death the better you can deal with the thought of your own death".

I mean, that isn't the exact quote but it was something like that.

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Someone who doesn't like to read, in fact, have not read a book in his life besides the ones that were assigned in school to him?

Or someone that read frequently and his favorites books are books like Harry Potter and Stephen King's? He also thinks that Quixote and Garcia Marquez are boring shit.
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Which is worse?
An empty parcell or one with a badly built house?
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None of those things impact you. Stop being an elitist pseud
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>>8907454

exactly

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Is every great writer a narcissist?
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I figured this out a while ago.
As an artist you are in a constant competition between Self-Awareness and Narcissism. If you do anything of note, narcissism won. Being an artist is trying to not let narcissism win before you've put in enough work to make something decent.
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Perhaps.

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How many books do you plan to read in 2017, /lit/?
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>>8907019
Y'know I'm gonna be honest OP, I was gonna say "all of them" but then I had this strange feeling that compelled me to not be a jackass and I don't know why.

So ... 20-ish
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>>8907019
412
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>>8907019
ALL OF THEM

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"The blockchain solves the problem of space time."

What did he mean by this?
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he meant you don't have to use money in the real world
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>>8905867
into the trash he goes
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muh blockchain

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Some of the criteria for the "perfect state" that are presented in this book are quite disturbing. For example, the killing of deformed children, the controlling of who has sex with whom, not allowing children to know their real parents, et cetera.

My question is: do you believe Plato truly thought these to be good ideas, or was he merely entertaining them to craft his hypothetical "ideal state"? I am asking because it seems like only a seriously ill mind can conceive of these ideas as being in any way just.
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Given that this is the oldest question about Plato's Republic in human history and has dominated all interpretation of thee work for 2500 years, I predict this thread will completely ignore all those major interpreters and their proofs aand immediately descend into the retarded opinions of random 20 year old faggots on the internet and then ultimately into shitposting
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>>8905370
>For example, the killing of deformed children, the controlling of who has sex with whom
But those are good ideas. Try the redpill
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>>8905370
>dude how could this ancient philosopher possibly have ideas that aren't popular or politically correct today? Is this some kind of joke?
Liberal justice isn't the only justice dipshit

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>the only truly worthwhile being is the ubermensch so strive to become it except it's an impossible ideal so you can never actually do it and be worthwhile but do it anyway because eh, haha. Nihilism btfo :)

Why is this fruit eating, hack faggot lapped up for his infinite idiocy and faggotry
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>>8905276
he was redpilled on women and leftists. A hero of mine
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>>8905285
He unironically is

Leftism = slave morality
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>>8905276
Nice b8.

Also, not an argument.

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>the scene in a farewell to arms where he tries to wave goodbye to his arms but cant because he doesnt have arms anymore
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good thread desu
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>the scene in to kill a mockingbird where they kill a mockingbird
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>that scene in the torah where moses writes the torah before the stuff that happens in the torah happens

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>reading a shakespeare tragedy in literature course
>"before we start, who here watches game of thrones?"
>sizable portion of the class raises hands
>"good...good"
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>>8903830
omg was she a women???

normies, rooooo etc.
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>>8903830
That didn't happen
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>>8903830
>going to college for a LITERATURE COURSE

It is popular on /lit/ to claim Lacan is a foolish hack. These claims, buttressed powerfully by the authority of Sokal and Bricmont, tend to defuse any possibility of discussing the French analyst before it gets itself off the ground.

To prove if he is as worthy of dismissal as some of you believe, let's see if you can outwit Lacan's solution to a simple logical game. The problem was published in one of his papers, titled "Logical Time and the Assertion of Anticipated Certainty." I offer the title freely, that you may google his proposed solution if you like. But in return for this gesture of good faith, I only ask that you refrain from posting his solution until you have worked one out for yourself.

Here is the problem:

>A prison warden has three select prisoners summoned and announces to them the following:

>"For reasons I need not make known now, gentlemen, I must set one of you free. In order to decide whom, I will entrust the outcome to a test which you will kindly undergo.

>"There are three of you present. I have here five discs differing only in color: three white and two black. Without letting you know which I have chosen, I shall fasten one of them to each of you between his shoulders; outside, that is, your direct visual field-any indirect ways of getting a look at the disc being excluded by the absence here of any means of mirroring.

>"At that point, you will be left at your leisure to consider your companions and their respective discs, without being allowed, of course, to communicate amongst yourselves the results of your inspection. Your own interest would, in any case, proscribe such communication, for the first to be able to deduce his own color will be the one to benefit from the dispensatory measure at our disposal.

>"His conclusion, moreover, must be founded upon logical and not simply probabilistic reasons. Keeping this in mind, it is to be understood that as soon as one of you is ready to formulate such a conclusion, he should pass through this door so that he may be judged individually on the basis of his respose."

>This having been made clear, each of the three subjects is adorned with a white disc, no use being made of the black ones, of which there were, let us recall, but two.

>How can the subjects solve the problem?

Well?
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>>8901898

You're responding to the claims made by people who are incapable of reading Lacan. Nobody worth responding to would claim he's actually a hack.

I do think he uses red herrings to throw people off track very deliberately though. But I can't think of any examples and I'll be honest regarding the fact that quite a lot of Lacan is beyond me

Side note: I once got marked down in a uni essay because I referenced Lacan without including the feminist critique of his ideas. And the part of Lacan I reference had nothing to do with the Oedipus Complex, which I assume is the part feminists have a problem with.

Anyone want to bitch about academia?
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>>8901938
>red herrings to throw people off track very deliberately

well he admits that he prefers the way into the text to be difficult somewhere. but yeah. there's times where i'll read half a page and have no idea what he's talking about, and then the next page he picks up a point from before the digression. sometimes within the sentence too. he loves to squeeze a whole new concept in between emdashes lol.

i never get marks off on papers. i literally can't remember the last time i got less than an A on a paper. so i can't exactly emphasize. but your teacher sounds very hackish.
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>>8901950
empathize*

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Napoleon Erotic Fantasy Edition (no homo)

The reading for day 10 is B2 Part 3 Chapter 11 through (and including) Part 4 Chapter 3, pp. 475-529.

>New poll for day 10
https://www.strawpoll.me/11982435

>Ebooks and audiobook
https://mega.nz/#F!4QVj1b4B!BMF7h3um_c5qWHQCP_aw6g

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Reading Schedule
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>>8899565
Quite the embrace there, Your Excellency.
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>tfw 2 full days behind

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How robust is your vocabulary, anon?
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>>8898210
I speak mostly in anxiety ridden cries for help and memes
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>>8898210
My vocabulary is gooder than yours
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>>8898210
i ain't got no needs for ur fancy vercabulury

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Welcome to the second story! All are invited to join in at any time, or to come and go as you please. Thank you to everyone that participated in the first story discussion. The thread was a great success.

>Bartleby the Scrivener by Herman Melville
>14,465 words
>Reading time: 72 minutes

Discussions start in this thread and will finish on Monday (I moved it up one day). The next reading is The Death of Ivan Ilyich by Leo Tolstoy (22,391 words). Discussion for it will run Tuesday through Sunday.

>ebook
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bartleby_the_Scrivener
https://mega.nz/#F!tVUyAAya!MhE3co1AQ3tXjLS-iX4CTw

>audiobook
https://librivox.org/bartleby-the-scrivener-by-herman-melville-2/
https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https%3A//api.soundcloud.com/tracks/228423242%3Fsecret_token%3Ds-ZQTFV&color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false

>ebook for next reading
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Ivan_Ilych

Many stories will be pulled from The World's Greatest Short Stories (Dover Thrift Editions) which is $5 on Amazon.
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486447162/

Old thread:
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MELVILLE, Herman (1819-91), American novelist and poet, born in New York City, a product of the American mercantile gentry. After his father's business failure and death in 1832, however, Melville left school and was largely an autodidact, devouring Shakespeare, the Authorized Version of the Bible, and 17th-cent. meditative writers such as Sir T. Browne, as well as the numerous historical, anthropological, and technical works which he used to supplement his experiences when he wrote. After sailing as a 'boy' on a packet to Liverpool in 1839, Melville shipped in 1841 on the whaler Acushnet for the South Seas, where he jumped ship, joined the US navy, and finally returned three years later to begin writing.

The fictionalized travel narrative of Typee or A Peep at Polynesian Life (1846) was Melville's most popular book during his lifetime. Like most of his works, Typee was published first in Britain, for prestige and to guard against piracy, and throughout his career Melville enjoyed a rather higher estimation in Britain than in America. After a well-received sequel, Omoo: A Narrative of Adventures in the South Seas (1847), the perfunctorily plotted Mardi and a Voyage Thither (1849), an allegorical romance with philosophical meditations, fared less well.

Having married Elizabeth Shaw, daughter of the chief justice of Massachusetts, in 1847, and with a mother, sisters, and eventually four children to support, Melville wrote the realistic sea stories Redburn: His First Voyage (1849) and White-Jacket; or The World in a Man-of-War (1850), which he considered potboilers. Inspired by the achievement of Hawthorne, Melville changed his next sea tale into Moby-Dick, or, The Whale (1851), whose brilliance was noted at the time by some critics and very few readers.

After the critical disaster of Pierre, or The Ambiguities (1852), a Gothic romance with Shelleyan overtones and a satire on the literary profession, Melville wrote anonymous magazine stories, among them 'Bartleby the Scrivener' and 'Benito CereƱo', which were collected in The Piazza Tales (1856), and the historical novel Israel Potter: His Fifty Years of Exile (1855) about a neglected hero of the American Revolution. To recover from a breakdown he undertook a long journey to Europe and the Holy Land (depicted in the narrative poem Clarel, 1876). Sceptical and tormented, but unable to discard his Manichaean view of God, Melville remarked while visiting Hawthorne in Liverpool in 1856, "I have just about made up my mind to be annihilated."
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The Confidence-Man: His Masquerade (1857), a mordantly nihilistic satire of human gullibility, was Melville's last novel. After unsuccessful lecture tours, he worked as customs officer in New York harbour, where he wrote Battle-Pieces and Aspects of the War (1865), trenchant poems of disillusion with Civil War era America. John Marr and Other Sailors (1888) and Timoleon (1891) were privately printed. Despite some revival of interest in Britain, Melville died virtually forgotten, with Billy Budd, Foretopman still in manuscript: contemporary misunderstanding, censorship, and neglect, and the subsequent revision of Melville's reputation since the 1920s, have made him a classic case of the artist as reviled Titan. He enlarged the stylistic range and metaphysical concerns of fiction while helping to create the characteristically American mixed-genre, symbolic novel which Hawthorne called 'romance'; and Moby-Dick is the closest approach the United States has had to a national prose epic.

From The Oxford Companion to English Literature (OUP, 2000)
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>Poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/11979881

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Please make OC edition

Just slapped this together.
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>>8896509
has anyone got the beavis and butthead version of this?

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