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Is Toni Morrison on the same level as Joyce 2017-07-14 08:46:29 Post No.9756492
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Is Toni Morrison on the same level as Joyce
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yes or no and explain why?
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No, but I like Morrison. To my knowledge, she hasn't written anything with the scope or ambition of Ulysses (not to mention Finnegans Wake altho I'm too stupid for that book). Also her novels are thematically more narrow. Also her writing is not as good in my opinion.
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>>9756504
She is not even the greatest american writer of all time (that title goes to Melville)
simply, her writing isn't as good
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>>9756492
Apples, oranges.
Stop making everything a fucking competition
Go away.
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STOP TALKING ABOUT CUCKS 2017-07-14 08:38:42 Post No.9756471
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>reading through Shakespeare
>getting immersed in the incredible language and characters, starting to appreciate the rhythm of the verse
>all of a sudden, Shakespeare starts talking about cucking
>in basically every play there's a bunch of jokes about people getting cucked, or people actually getting cucked
>quit, decide to move on to Ulysses, because I heard it's the next best thing
>The ENTIRE book is about a guy being cucked
>people are talking about how the ending is so beautiful and positive and life-affirming but I can only see it as a dumb self-absorbed roastie remembering happy times right after she cucks her poor husband
>makes me even more misogynistic
>decide to read Madame Bovary because I heard that she was a great female character and I wanted to restore my faith in women by connecting with her
>the whole book is about her FUCKING KEKING HER HUSBAND because he was fucking BORING and because of selfish fucking fairy tale FANTASIES in her head
>Decide, oh Chaucer couldn't be all that bad, because it was back when everyone was religious, start reading The Miller's Tale
>The WHOLE BOOK IS ABOUT FUCKING KEKS, with Chaucer making cucking look like a fun little FUCKING JOKE
>throw it in the trash out of disgust
>opt for the safest route I can think of, The Bible, because obviously the holiest book in the planet wouldnt be so impure
>Abraham is going around fucking KEKING EVERYONE, and saying God made me do it, and no one gives a SHIT
>think, maybe I should just stop reading literary stuff and read more information based books
>start reading Mythology by Hamilton
>Zeus is literally KEKING everyone constantly, the greek myths are FILLED with examples of people being constantly cucked
>Think, holy shit maybe I need to read more contemporary stuff, all the old books are just filled with cucking
>start reading the Sot Weed Factor by John Barth
>He KEEPS talking about how Bertrand goes around KEKING everyone and John Adams cucking all the Native American tribe leaders over and FUCKING OVER AND OVER
>think, maybe I should just start reading for the prose and not for the plot
>Start reading Ada or Arbor by Nabokov
>book is about a brother and sister cucking their significant others with each other
That's it. I'm done with literature. I gave it a chance, I gave it MANY chances. And ALL YOU FUCKING FAGS CAN TALK ABOUT IS KEKING. Everywhere I go, /pol/, /lit/, /r9k/, /b/, and now literature itself, everyone is talking about KEKING. fucking STOP TALKING ABOUT KEKING STOP IT STOP YOUFUCKING FAGGOTS I'VE HAD ENOUGH.
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Stop abusing that stupid word.
Until you
1.) Get married to a husband/wife (which you won't since youre a dumb frogposter)
2.) Intentionally seek random men to fornicate with your wife in front of you
You cannot call yourself a cuck.
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quality post
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lmfao this shit going on r/4chan
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>tfw everything you've ever written is crap
>tfw you hate absolutely everything associated with society in general
>tfw the quality of your work is proportional to your IQ, and mine is extremely low
>tfw the only thing you feel somewhat confident is writing, and then it turns out you actually suck and are average at best
>tfw the world really is dominance hierarchy, and you're by nature worse than others
>tfw doomed to a life of menial labor, because I'll never be good at anything, by design
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OP! You aren't bad because you feel bad.
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znam te feelzy anonie, ale co mozemy zrobic
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21 years of minimum wage
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Find a flaw
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>mfw I missed the window to fully appreciate these goddamn masterpieces
My one regret
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>>9756347
>you can never go back to fourth grade to reread them
They were pretty comfy desu
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>Friday night
Why are you here? Haven't you got a lot of potential educational experience to be gained about the Dionysian side of the human condition tonight? Isn't all that completely essential for insights for your future masterpiece novel or your reading experience? AND you might get to fuck Stacey? Oh... you have a chance with Stacey, right?
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>>9756305
because i like too much to feed my pets and wash my toes, to find time for wine is to find time to trick the blind man, eh? we all know joyce went blind as a bat, stole his wine, borges too! Homer too clever. shame shame. missed opportunity.
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Because I'm a ugly shut-in piece of shit loser.
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The dionysian is always the underbelly of that which dominates. In times of extreme repression and emotional censorship, the dionysian may express itself in it's excess and overcoming of all inhibiting boundaries.
But in our time to be in line with the dionysian you must shut yourself away as much as you can, doing so in excessive, radical proportions, as to counter the culture of positivity and excess (socialization and hedonism).
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What do you think about his arguments on existence of God?
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The ontological argument for god's existence is regarded and could be applied to Santa clause with equal effect.
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>>9756300
"God" is just a word. "Santa Claus" is just a word
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I'm only aware of his "yea but what if you're wrong, hedge your bets" argument. Does he have more?
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How do I get rid of Nabokov? 2017-07-14 07:35:11 Post No.9756257
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How do I get rid of Nabokov?
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Whenever I write I can't get Nabokov out of my head. I just subconsciously try to write like him. Sometimes I try to force myself to have my own style but then I'll notice that without even thinking I've stolen phrases from Nabokov. He is always with me.
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Start by understanding that he is a charlatan, a bombast, an idiot, and an undeniable pseudo-intellectual. Once you've come to this realization, you will be able to find a new voice.
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>>9756257
Because you think "writing" means writing like Nabokov. And I highly doubt you come close to writing like him. There's nothing wrong with emulation, but it sounds more like imitation
>stolen phrases
that's weak man.
Truth be told if you did write like him you'd just write really really really incredibly well fuck I love that dude
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>>9756257
face it, you're a pedophile, you must seek closure in infant genitalia and their dissection.
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I have just been given a monstrous reading list by my course. I would appreciate whatever advice you can give me about these texts or approach to reading in general. I feel like my university is trying to kill me:
Complete Chaucer (Riverside)
Gawain and the Green Knight (either ed. by Tolkein and Gordon, or included in Poems of Pearl MS, ed. Andrew and Walton)
Malory, Works (Oxford)
Langland, Piers Plowman (ed. Schmidt)
Boethius, Consolation of Philosophy (Penguin)
Homer, Illiad, Odyssey
Aeschylus, Orestia
Euripides, Bacchae, Medea, Electra
Sophocles, The Theban Plays - Oedipus the King, Antigone, Oedipus at Colonus
Virgil, Aeneid
Ovid, Metamorphosis
Plato, Republic
Genesis
Exodus
Song of Songs
Gospels
Epistle to the Romans
Revelation
The European Tradition.
St Augustine, Confessions
Dante, Divine Comedy
de Lorris and de Meun, Romance of the Rose
Montaigne, Essays
Castiglione, The Courtier
Macchiavelli, The Prince
Descartes, Discourse on Method
Freud, Interpretation of Dreams
Marx, Capital
Goethe, Faust
Tolstoy, Anna Karenina
Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment
Flaubert, Madame Bovary
Chekhov, The Seagull, Uncle Vanya, Three Sisters, The Cherry Orchard
Ibsen, A Doll’s House, Hedda Gabler, Peer Gynt
Sidney, Arcadia
Spenser, The Fairie Queen (ed. Hamilton)
Marlowe, Tamburlaine the Great, Dr Faustus
Shakespeare, the tragedies and histories in particular
Jonson, Volpone, The Alchemist, Bartholomew Fair
Milton, Paradise Lost
Donne, Collected Verse
Sterne, Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy
Pope, Dunciad
Fielding, Joseph Andrews
Gay, Beggar’s Opera
Austen, Emma, Northanger Abbey
Wordsworth and Coleridge, Lyrical Ballads
Wordsworth, The Prelude
Byron, Collected Poetry
Shelley, Collected Poetry
Keats, Collected Poetry
Charlotte Bronte, Jane Eyre
Emily Bronte, Wuthering Heights
Dickens, Great Expectations, Bleak House, Hard Times
George Eliot, Middlemarch
Tennyson, In Memoriam
James, Portrait of a Lady
Hardy, Tess of the D’Urbervilles
Conrad, Heart of Darkness
T.S. Eliot, Collected Poetry
Pound, Cantos
Lawrence, Women in Love
Joyce, Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Ulysses
Woolf, Mrs Dalloway, To the Lighthouse
Aristotle, Poetics, Art of Rhetoric
Horace, Art of Poetry
Sidney, Defence of Poetry
Samuel Johnson, Preface to Shakespeare
Matthew Arnold, Essays in Criticism
T.S. Eliot, Selected Essays
Pound, ABC of Reading
Cassirer, Hardison and Kerrane, Classical and Medieval Literary Criticism
Said, Orientalism
Lodge, Twentieth Century Literary Criticism
Eagleton, Literary Theory
Butler, Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity
Various (ed.), New Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry & Poetics
Lentricchia & McLaughlin, Critical Terms for Literary Study
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stop making /lit/ threads and start reading. good luck
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>stop making /lit/ threads and start reading. good luck
I have actually started. Reading middlemarch right now.
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And look at what I am asking. I am asking for an approach to reading these texts (and in such volume too) - not necessarily their content because that it down to me alone.
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Now the dust has settled, may we claim that Schlomo truly was on to something or must we regard his thought as utterly fantastical instead?
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Freud was definitely onto a lot; before him people thought that mental illness was a matter of poor reasoning, that people were motivated solely by their rational self interest and anyone who wasn't was insane to some degree; he exposed human comportment for the thinly veiled savagery it really is.
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>>9756076
He nailed the jewish mental sickness but projected this onto non-jews and was wrong about most everything else.
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Freud was a kook, even for his time. It was the literary "quality" of his work that appealed to people. That's something I especially like about pre-20th century literature, never have to read a reference to some freudian shit.
His contemporary Kraepelin had better ideas about mental illness.
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So here's my essay that I submitted for the English placement test at my school. It was a two hour timed test that I had to take in a testing room. I only got into English 101, not English 102. What would you say is wrong with my essay that it's not good enough for English 102?
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Overwhelming, overwhelming, overwhelming.
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A typo right in the beginning of the second paragraph. "The author gives overwhelming reason..."
I assume this isn't all you wrote in two hours? If so, way too short.
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>>9755975
>repeated sentence structure
>comma splices
>too many adverbs, repetitive adjectives
>first person (without the prompt we don't know if they wanted your opinion or not, otherwise steer clear.
>poor transitions
>similar paragraph sizes
These all stand out to me writing wise and that's not even touching content. I'd say you were boarder line but they want you to improve your writing fundementals.
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Why is 19th century English superior to that of all other periods? 2017-07-14 06:04:32 Post No.9755913
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Why is 19th century English superior to that of all other periods?
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I suspect it had something to do with the Greek and Latin that most learned people in the 19th century studied as kids, and the sophisticated and, to English, rather alien grammars of those languages —plus the long development English had experienced as a language of art and science up to that point.
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Other than some rare exceptions, like Shakespeare; English is a shitty literary language. The Germans, Russians, and even possibly the French have better works. Although English is above stuff like Spanish and Italian, which only have one famous book. (Don Quixote, and Divine Comedy respectively)
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>>9755937
the irish seem to use it effectively.
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>>9755942
>tfw you colonise a land of potato niggers and they end up writing better literature in your language
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What are the best Stephen King books, /lit/?
Please don't say The Stand because that shit is honestly boring af
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The it
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the the
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Eyes of the Dragon
Roadwork
Hearts in Atlantis (novella not the full book)
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What's the funniest book you ever read? 2017-07-14 05:04:32 Post No.9755725
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What's the funniest book you ever read?
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I don't mean *clever*
I don't mean *aligns with your opinions*
I don't mean *parodies people you don't like*
I mean pure, honest belly laughter.
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My diary~desu~
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>>9755725
Catch 22 and dead souls
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Norm MacDonald's memoir Based on a True Story.
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So here's the skinny, lit. I fucking hate reading, but I force myself to read these classics because I feel insecure about my intelligence. I like to feel like a well read, interesting person. However, I can't stand to sit in front of a book and try to digest whatever is on the page, I hardly have the patience for it.
I forced myself to read 11 books last year, and started several more, and this year I've only read 2 books.
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>feel insecure about my intelligence
you're a fucking idiot just accept it and go do whatever the idiots do
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>>9755708
Find a book to kickstart a habit for reading For me, that book was 100 Years of Solitude by García Márquez.
What sort of stories do you enjoy?
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s0h8hhbC7dFf
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>Spanish and Italian tier
Perfectly phonetic. God-tier languages (literally). Genders done right, plurals done right, conjugations done right, word order done right, alphabet done right.
>French tier
DERPDERPLOLOL WE "ROMAN" LANGUAGE TOO DISREGARD A THIRD GERMANIC VOCABULARY. VOWELS EVERYWHERE MORE THAN NECESSARY SHIT. UN COUP DE, UN COUP DE, UN COUP DE. LETS PRONOUNCE "e" IN 4 DIFFERENT WAYS LOLOL NEVER PRONOUNCE LAST LETTERS DERP DERP REDDIT SHIT
>English tier
MIXED IMPURE SCUM. NO GENDERS. NO REAL PRONOUNCIATION RULES. I READ A BOOK PAST AND PRESENT. VOCABULARY CONSISTENCY, WHAT'S THAT? TAKE LOANS FROM EVERYWHERE. LIKE LIKE LIKE. DO YOU SPEAK AMERICAN??? IT'S SEVEN BONGS!
>German tier
Perfect for science. LOLOLOL THREE GENDERS AND 4 GRAMMATICAL CASES WE STILL CLASSICAL ERA. SMASH WORDS TOGETHER. PARAGRAPHS LONG WORDS HERPDERP. sie sie Sie. DOCH EVERYWHERE. LOL GOOD LUCK WITH PLURALS. DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI EXPEPTIONS TO RULES EVERYWHERE
>Arabic tier
Cool looking alphabet. LOL NO EVERY LETTER TAKES THREE TIMES MORE TO LEARN. "AL" EVERYWHERE. ALLAHU AKHBAR! BE CAREFUL, I ALMOST SPIT ON YOUR FACE TRYING TO PRONOUNCE HALF OF THE WORDS. YOU THINK YOU KNOW ARABIC? LOL NO ONLY ONE DIALECT.
>East asian tier
DERP DERP NO SPACES. WE NO LANGUAGE FAMILY SO HAVE LUCK SPENDING OTHER 5 YEARS TO SPEAK ANOTHER ONE. SHIT TIER WRITTING SYSTEM.
>Chinese
Simple grammar LOLOLOL 3000 CHARACTERS TO UNDERSTAND CHILDREN'S BOOK. 4 DIFFERENT TONES HURR CHINA STRONG! DERP MANDARIN > WU. NO CONJUGATION NO GENDERS NO PLURAL. DISREGARD ALPHABET, ACQUIRE FAGGOTRY
>Japanese
RORORORO TWO ARPHABETSU AND CHINA'SU RETARDED WRITTING SYSTEM. 600 DIFFERENT WAYSU TO CONJUGATE A SINGLE VERB. YOU DIDN'T USE PORITE FORM CONRRESPONDING TO YOUR AGE, YOU DISHONORRED MY FAMIRY. DESU DESU DESU. AM I KAWAII UGUU~
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como castras hijin.
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>>9755707
Lojban is clearly superior.
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>>9755707
Honestly I like long German words, maybe I am biased because I didn't have to learn it tho.
Also do Russian pls desu