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I don't tend to use this word much, but really I can only describe The Iliad as fucking awesome.
> Zeus is a cunt to every other Greek god
> Hector and Diomedes are hardcore motherfuckers
> brutality of war is not shied away from
> themes such as honour and integrity beautifully developed
How come I didn't read this sooner, /lit/?
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I agree. However, when reading the Iliad, I was quite annoyed by the extensive lists of participants and the endless repetition of titles and descriptions (e.g. white armed Hera, lord of horses Priam, etc) - But I guess this is mainly because it's an oral epic, and this aspect badly translates to written forms.
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>>9746659
I love how the sun and morning are personified as pretty women in dresses.
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Is there a preferred translation of this?
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>read book
>forget entire book
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me really bad
how does one prevent this?
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>read book
>forget if you've read book
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>>9745341
>read line
>forget it by the time i'm on the next line
>read 5 lines back
>have to reread the entire book
such is life
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>top 5 authors
>age
>other anons r8
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>me
>68
>fuck u
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>Dostoevsky
>Melville
>Homer
>Bulgakov
>Kafka
>21
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>>9744863
alright. I wonder how long you'll have Dosto and Kafka
>Plato
>Shakespeare
>Joyce
>Tolstoy
>Montaigne
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Has anyone ever made a compelling argument for the existence of God that doesn't just boil down to "muh faith"?
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That's what prophecy is for, dawg
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>>9742924
You might want to read Anselm, Aquinas, Kant, Hegel... you know, this thing called philosophy? Maybe you've heard of it before.
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>>9742949
>implying a single theistic argument works
Read Herman Philipse.
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what paradoxes keep you up at night?
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Paradox haze with smokestack
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>>9741221
the fact that there is no conceivable explanation for how the universe came to be. Sure you can say something like the big bang theory made the universe, but then the next logical question is what caused the big bang. Some may say got but then once again we reach the question of what created god. No matter what we do we end up with an infinite regression of causality. The only thing I've been able to come up with is that maybe existence and nonexistence are analogous to one another.
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>>9741259
What necessitates that the Universe came to be?
Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, only moved, and the Universe as what increasingly appears to be an infinite set, can expand within itself indefinitely. Just so, it can collapse indefinitely with no endpoints. Merely statistically inevitable waves of causally-linked reactions which we interpret over periods of time and measures of space.
Why should there be an end or beginning? We are on a number line, we start counting at 1 and already there are infinitely infinite numbers behind and ahead.
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>>9739495
Please stop shitting up this board. Take this outrage-let's-jerk-each-other-off porn to the containment boards
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>>9739503
No bully.
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>>9739516
He's right, fuck off brainlet.
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Choose your side
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who?
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isn't Nick Land really racist?
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chaotic good
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Good books on Pre-Vatican II Catholicism?
>inb4 The Bible
I'd like something that deals with its cultural legacy (especially French).
Also considering reading Aquinas' Summa Theologica; is it worth doing with a very minimal understanding of the Bible and of Catholic theosophy?
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Read the Bible and watch the Yale online courses while doing the reading. If you want a short cut you can just do the New Testament.
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>>9723585
"How the catholic church built western civilization" might be what you're looking for, it's pretty good.
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I'm interested in the Church right before the Vatican II split, the history of the split itself, and then current movements that still espouse Pre-Vatican II values/ideology/beliefs.
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Where should I start with this guy?
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>>9754801
Kafka on the shore
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The wind-up bird chronicle
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>>9754829
found this for fifty cents at a goodwill along with kavalier and clay. is it any good? genuinely any good? is it just japanese magical realism shit?
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>"a tour-de-force...i could not put it down"
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i always prefer 'unputdownable' when i write my reviews.
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>>9754644
A R E A L T O U R D E F R A N C E
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>a real pageturner
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This is the most tedious and puerile book I have ever read
Why is this shit so esteemed?
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you probably didn't get it
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>>9754206
I felt like I enjoyed this book but it took me forever to finish it. I could never read more than 30 pages at a time.
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>>9754206
Cause it's funny.
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well?
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Left
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Carpentier.
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>>9754130
Magical realism is for faggots
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The Book of The Five Rings
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So, there is this Box Collection in Brazil called "The Essentials of - Strategy" and it contains three books
>Sun Tzu - The Art of War
>Niccolò Machiavelli - The Prince
>Miyamoto Musashi - The Book of The Five Rings
I've been interested in reading the first two but I don't know about the third one. As far as I know, it's more of a "Bushido" thing, romantic but not as practical(atleast outside of japanese customs). Thoughts?
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>>9753996
I read it when I was an edgy middle schooler. It's not long and from what I remember it is what you said, mostly a romantic bushido book. I can be practical applying the notions of forms, liquidity, and honor to your daily life and don't internalize the values presented at surface value but on a more holistic level.
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>>9754015
Pretty much this. You already said it well, I don't have anything else to contribute
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>>9753996
The Book of The Five Rings is definitely essential. If even just to read the philosophy of perhaps the greatest swordsman to ever live. It's also not really about Bushido at all.
>The important thing is to polish wisdom and the mind in great detail. If you sharpen wisdom, you will understand what is just and unjust in society and also the good and the evil of this world; then you will come to know all kinds of arts and you will tread different ways. In this manner, no one in this world will succeed in deceiving you. It is after this stage that you will arrive at the wisdom of strategy. The wisdom of strategy is entirely distinct. Even right in the middle of a battle where everything is in rapid movement, it is necessary to attain the most profound principle of strategy, which assures you an immovable mind. You must examine this well.
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Fruits of Solitude, by William Penn
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Byron and Goethe, by Giuseppe Mazzini
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Sir Francis Drake Revived, by Philip Nichols
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Vol. 35. CHRONICLE AND ROMANCE, FROISSART, MALORY, HOLINSHEAD
Chronicles, by Jean Froissart
The Holy Grail, by Sir Thomas Malory
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Well fuck my shark and call me a bitch, this is pretty good so far! I'm almost done marathoning part I.
So far I've got:
the notion of Satan and evil connected with the sea, which later connect with Lavey's Satanic Bible and Lovecraft I guess.
constant rhyme of animal-types, glow-worms becoming whales, large ones, small ones, sea ones, land ones.
vague reference to and overthrowing of the sisyphean myth
reading same prompted me to look up Dali's illustrations: https://www.moma.org/collection/works/23590
the mere mention of a "glow worm" prompts me to wonder whether Crowley was aware of the work. An early selection in Crowley's equally cryptic Book of Lies is structured around one "Glow Worm" (bit number 11).
I was skeptical about a prose poem, but the thing really does loop back on itself quite a lot over these few thirty pages, and with rhythmic repetition. nails mentioned in one violent place are recalled in different context a few pages later. Elements repeat. Again, even Crowley later has a short poem about fingernails, which heightens my suspicion.
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>tfw you have yet to find a good bilingual edition of Lautremont's works in either English or Spanish
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>>9753762
Just buy a French edition and a Spanish edition. Don't bother with any of the English ones because they're all shit.
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>>9753756
literally who?