For instance, lets compare "Starship Troopers" and "A Farewell to Arms". The first is considered philosophical fiction, but the second is not. In both though, the author is trying to write fiction but also is trying to showcase their ideas. Do the philosophical fiction novels put the message first, and story second, and vise versa for the traditional fiction novel?
>>9757381
My question was, What makes a philosophical fiction book "Philosophical Fiction". Also, who painted this?
The category melts about. "Legit" philosophical fiction is written by a philosopher, less legit would have a prominent philosophical theme, likely with two dimensional archetypal characters. If there is another overriding theme that puts the philosophical message on the back burner, I'd probably call it something else.
Pater's Marius the Epicurean is of the second type. Great prose, beautiful settings. Simple characters.
Wenzel Hablik is the painter
>>9757494
But what makes a theme not philosophical? If the theme is "War is Bad", wouldn't that be philosophical also?
Why do you Anglos love Murakami? His prose is boring crap in Japanese. There are dozens of mainstream, eroge, and light novel writers that are better than him.
Also, what is he staring at like a retard?
Because his books has sex, nihilism, metaphors, allegories, classical music and a lot of non sensical sex.
epic troll post op!!! i am very frustrated by what you have written!!!
A typical murakami story goes like
yare yare, boku wa shasei shita
...wut??
>>9757055
>The world is everything that is the case
>autism
>autism
>autism
>Wwhooooaaaa cool logic symbols!!!
>autism
>autism
>whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent
>>9757073
>sentence from the intro placed at the end
>ad hominem
>ad hominem
>ad hominem
>pretending to have read the book for a (you)
Where here (you) go kid.
>>9757085
hehe all according to plan, faggot
There are threads here all the time about "right-wing literature," but I'm wondering: are there, specifically, any right-wing critiques of capitalism. I'd be happy with critiques from around Adam Smith's time as well as more contemporary critiques.
one option: baudrillard is all about this
in his marxist phase he critiques capital in the conventional leftist form, and in his later nietzschean/reactionary phase he critiques what he calls the "reality principle" itself. in order for the sign to work it has to bear some correspondence with that which it signifies, which ofc it does not and can not. signs refer only to other signs
>thus the need for *taste*
so basically his right-wing critique of capital is a critique of a postmodern/late-capitalist/consumer society so in love with itself that it disappears completely into an irony that becomes real, since people can no longer tell the difference between that which is real and that which is not
if everything is capital, wat do? aristocratic disdain for plebs, weird journals, remoteness, arch sarcasm, crippling loneliness &c
the right-wing critique of capitalism to my mind basically means the surrender of term Capital as an ultimate signifier and a shift back towards that which capital is supposed to fulfil but cannot: the desire for the sex/death/god stuff that even the great taste of a chicken mcnugget cannot satisfy fully
>unless, i suppose, you eat a lot of them and cover the room with projectile vomit, then laugh hysterically as the police drag you away
>brb going to mcdonalds to try this thesis
>>9756065
>that quote
>You can't ignore me I'm ignoring you!
The postmodern decadence is really droll.
>>9756011
>any right-wing critiques of capitalism.
pound
From /pol/. Found a book and I'd like to get your opinion on it. It's written in 1893, and is entitled the Marvelous Adventures of Baron Trump.
>inb4 go back to your containment board
It's part of a 4 book-series, including one of the books being entitled The Last President. The Secretary of Agriculture in the story is named Pence. I don't know much more as there aren't much excerpts online, but the coincidence could maybe interest you to look into it.
When we check out the wiki page for the author Ingersoll Lockwood, these works are not mentioned. Neither are they mentioned in Lee and Shepard Publishers published books.
There isn't much available online, except that these books are for sale and do exist.
Have you guys ever heard of Ingersoll Lockwood? Or these books for this matter?
Bump. What if Baron becomes our last president and finally installs a monarchy?
>>9755803
i'm going to attempt to read Baron Trump's Marvellous Underground Journey from cover to cover on twitch if you want to listen my channel is simply called doodsrsly. I'm pretty bad at reading out loud so I'm sorry if my inability to read fancy time travelling words makes you cringe.
read along with me
>>9756928
I ordered the book. Should be getting here next week. I'll check out your channel then.
I'm not american so I just read it recently at the age of 19, what I just don't get is how can people be annoyed by holden and shit on him. If anything I found myself feeling bad for him many times. Yes he tends to repeat the same words and has an "unusual" way of retelling events but that's part of his charachter.is something wrong with me for identifying with him ? I too think that every one is a phony and hate sluts but I did not rape my little sister
also did he get raped or was he just exaggerating ?
yes
low quality bait
>>9755492
You'll notice that the people who particularly dislike Holden are often angsty and immature young people. Typically they object to his insincerity and cynicism
Dear /lit/,
This board is one of the few–if not the only–places where many of us can come to discuss literature. And yet, the vast majority of posts are incredibly rude.
For example, a gentleman made a post saying he liked the Bolaño novel 2666. He liked it for its prose, its length, its subject matter. He probably just wanted to share with you all his positive feelings of completing a work. But right off the bat, he was harshly criticized for not giving a more "literary" review, and made to feel like some sort of asshole for finishing a long novel.
Imagine that: being made to feel bad about yourself for finishing a book, in an era where nobody fucking reads anymore, which we always complain about, too.
Or another poster, who wanted to know where to start with Shakespeare, and who was instantly derided for being "pleb trash" and he'd yet to read him.
Why are we putting people down for reading novels? Why are we putting people down for wanting to better themselves? Can't we be kind to one another.
Let's foster literacy and support each other, rather than put one another down. /Lit/ is the last bastion of literary discussion in this day and age. It's a cafe at Monteparnasse, and hatred may be tearing it apart.
So, fellow /lit/erates, lift someone up today.
if you want kindness go somewhere that reinforces kindness via having your name attached to your posts
this is an environment that allows brutal honesty to exist and thank god. if you feel bad about something you enjoy because someone else doesn't like it it's your own fucking fault for being stupid.
I didn't even read 80% of your post. fuck off. this is not your environment.
>>9755432
Even the threads themselves are starting as Nick Land's AI bot copypastas!
>>9755458
what a stereotypical response
kill yourself
How do I get myself to read? I haven't read a single book this year.
You take the book, sit down, and fucking read.
Stop trying to find ways to do things that aren't just doing them.
>>9755071
ADHD medication
>>9755081
Thanks, I just read 50 pages from Stoner.
At what age did you start getting interested into literature and reading?
What's one (or more) book that had a significant influence on you?
>>9752906
At 21, I'm a STEM brainlet
The Meditations
24-25. atlas shrugged. not even kidding and dgaf.
When I was a kid
My aunt was a teacher and would always read me books when I stayed over. Good stuff too, like Roald Dahl and Chris van Allsburg
Why was sub-saharan Africa incapable of creating any literature of great value?
because they didn't have writing, paper, and newports?
>>9752499
They are busy working and starving to death.
>>9752499
Because they didn't know or care about literature
>Peterson on /lit/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3fy0RYpU8Q
>PhilisophyInsights
>Almost no videos on philosophy and even fewer by philosophers
What did they mean by this?
there is not a bigger hack in the world than jordan peterson. he's surpassed sam harris
>>9751724
Why do all the youtube clippers only post videos of Peterson's self-help book advices?
Rate my shelf, /lit/.
Also, general r8 thread.
2/10
>>9747932
I hate it, it's cheesy looking. I would spit in your face and leave if I saw this crap.
>>9747932
2/11
Can /lit/ recommend any right-wing (but not /pol/-tier) literature? On philosophy, economic policy, etc.
>>9746874
Everything pre-20th century could be considered "right-wing" these days.
St. Petersburg Dialogues
stop being a memevermin
You probably need to clarify your request a bit more
Greetings /lit/erati, it’s that time again. Grab a book, paper, and pen, and let's get a /comfy/ thread going while we talk about something to better us all.
Last Thread: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/9714228
About a week ago, I saw a meme list circulating around for autodidacts, which was both inspiring but also irritating. While the list contained many good books, I felt it was presented in a haphazard way, with poor reading orders and extraneous works that would do a beginner no good without outside help. I promised an anon that I would make my own suggestions while maintaining the spirit of the all, which was to establish a core curriculum for autodidacts. I am not interested in circlejerking books; instead, I am interested in providing a concise but reasonably complete intellectual foundation that is accessible to anybody with at least the average high school background. It is my hope that, by completing this list, I would be able to pass on the good word and help passionate and determined autodidacts find a substitute for the liberal arts education they deserve but never received.
I will be posting my own version of the meme list and the accompanied reasoning shortly. Also on the docket are various “Renaissance Men” discussions: where to continue in literature, the humanities, and the sciences after the /autodidact/ core is completed; what type of lifestyle changes ought to be made for the pursuit of learning; how do artistic and practical skills fit into /autodidact/ general; do we have the resources to a build a community for this purpose, complete with compiling resources on Google Drive, fostering discussion on Discord, etc. Once again, I wish to thank all of the encouraging and productive posts from the last thread, and I hope we can continue the spirit of camaraderie here again.
Pic-Related: the flags of the Baltic nations, minus the 9gag watermark (thanks anon!)
>/autodidact/ Core Curriculum
/autodidact/ Core Curriculum
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>The Basics of Reading: Nonfiction & Fiction
How to Read a Book – Mortimer Adler
The Art of Fiction – David Lodge
>The Basics of Critical Thinking, Writing, and Learning
Creative & Critical Thinking – W. Edgar Moore
Thinking, Fast & Slow – Daniel Kahneman
The New Oxford Guide to Writing – Thomas Kane
A Mind for Numbers – Barbara Oakley
>Liberal Arts: The Theoretical Minimum
The Trivium – Sister Miriam Joseph
Pre-Calculus – Carl Stitz & Jeff Zeager
Atlas of World History – Patrick O’Brien
Western Philosophy: An Anthology – John Cottingham
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Total: 10 books covering a vast amount of foundational topics. You should be ready to tackle any sort of literature, philosophy, social science, science, etc., with relative ease once you've finished this list. Liberal arts in a nutshell.
>The Basics of Reading: Nonfiction & Fiction
The Basics of Reading: Nonfiction & Fiction
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>How to Read a Book - Mortimer Adler
Your autodidact journey needs to start somewhere, and since you’re going to be doing a lot of reading, you might as well start here. You'll learn to skim, analyze, and compare all different kinds of texts while squashing bad reading habits and improving concentration. I recommend that you do whatever it takes to thoroughly digest this book, even if it means working up to spending 30 minutes per day reading and practicing annotating while reading. Once you've finished the book and put its advice into practice, you've learned how to effectively read non-fiction, both in analyzing single books and synoptical comparisons between books.
>The Art of Fiction - David Lodge
This is a good place to start before you start reading fiction seriously, so you learn to appreciate the basic language of literature and point them out during your autodidact journey. It provides examples of literary devices and analyzes why they are effective by exposing you to snippets from relevant literature. Combined with “How to Read a Book” by Mortimer Adler, this book will enhance any dilettante’s reading skills and make them well-equipped to tackle literature on their own. Anthology-style books are a theme of this book list, since they serve as eclectic sources of exemplars, which are both effective for teaching and for future reference.
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>The Basics of Critical Thinking, Writing, and Learning
The Basics of Critical Thinking, Writing, and Learning
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>Creative & Critical Thinking - W. Edgar Moore
Most critical thinking textbooks are mass-produced garbage designed not to sharpen the mind but to dull it. As an old-fashioned and comprehensive account of the various methods of thinking, this book is not one of them. It takes a general approach to thinking, taking from history, philosophy, psychology, logic, and some mathematics in order to reframe common problems and make them easier to solve while avoiding typical pitfalls. Unfortunately, this is one of the two books on this list that are hard to find online, so you may need to visit a university library or buy a used copy, or perhaps check out The Art of Reasoning by David Kelley as a substitute. For convenience, I’ve uploaded some sample excerpts and table of contents to inform your decision: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nzrzylohf6vg1ml/AABbd5ie1Rp3d4SYmGH8nFLDa?dl=0
>Thinking, Fast & Slow - Daniel Kahneman
This book is a continuation of the “cognitive psychology” behind critical thinking, which forces you to ask what you are doing when you are thinking. The brain comes equipped with various “heuristics”, or shortcuts in thinking that were not evolutionarily designed for the modern world. As you might imagine, this leads us to make poor decisions when we’re not aware of how make decisions. Absorbing this book thoroughly would be enormously helpful to cultivating the sort of self-awareness that makes us better thinkers.
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to be continued (part 1)
Post your shit here and get roasted by other /lit/izens.
>>9728679
nah mate its only the intro I'm not even close to done.
>>9728683
Post an excerpt.
>>9728693
The