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What's the /lit/ equivalent of this album?
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probably some kabbalistic bullshit
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The Bible
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A mediocre retelling of Dante's Inferno.
I'm searching for a decent critique of fantasy as a genre. Google gives me random articles, but I want some serious academic work. Can you help my with my search?
My girlfriend reads a lot but it's mostly garbage fantasy, I tried talking to her about it and I had a bad time forming arguments. I know this could be generalized to the issue of poor taste, but I want to focus on modern fantasy itself. I'm having trouble talking about it because I can't tell what draws the line between good and bad fantasy work; I'd also like to hear some opinions on why we should avoid reading garbage hedonistic literature with little to none artistic value.
Looking at the bookshelf right next to me, here are some fantasy works I consider valuable (albeit not comparable to the classical western canon):
Clark - Strange and Norrell, Wynne Jones - Howl's moving castle, Tolkien - anything really, Petersen - Mouse guard (graphic novel), Beagle - The Last unicorn, Adams - Watership down, Jacques - Redwall, O'Brien - Mrs Frisby and the rats of NIMH
Few of the garbage ones:
Sapkowski - The Witcher, Butcher - Dresden files, Erikson - Malazan Book of the Fallen, Goodking - Sword of Truth, Rothfuss - Name of the Wind
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A subtle bump.
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In an actual fantasy world, magic would not be considered magic. It's part of their natural world, so it would be considered science. Most fantasy worlds act as if science and magic are totally separate, but if magic had always existed it would be part of the natural world and would fall under scientific study.
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Tbh this is the first thread I have ever seen Watership Down mentioned as fantasy. I guess from a world building standpoint it is: they have a culture, a language, their own folklore, heroes and enemies.
I'd throw in Adams' Shardik as definite fantasy. Its message is blatant but its study of worship is pretty neat the way it goes about it.
Bulgakov's Master and Margarita is top tier fantasy also
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Granta: Best of Young American Novelists 3 (2017)
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What does /lit/ think of Granta's 2017 list of the best 21 young contemporary American novelists?
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Editor: Sigrid Rausing (Jewish Female)
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1. Emma Cline (Jewish Female)
2. Joshua Cohen (Jewish Male)
3. Mark Doten (Jewish Male)
4. Rachel Glaser (Jewish Female)
5. Lauren Groff (Jewish Female)
6. Garth Risk Hallberg (Jewish Male)
7. Sana Krasikov (Jewish Female)
8. Ben Lerner (Jewish Male)
9. Anthony Marra (Jewish Male)
10. Jesse Ball (White Male)
11. Halle Butler (White Female)
12. Jen George (White Female)
13. Yaa Gyasi (Black Female)
14. Greg Jackson (White Male)
15. Catherine Lacey (White Female)
16. Karan Mahajan (Indian Male)
17. Dinaw Mengetsu (Black Male)
18. Ottessa Moshfegh (Persian Female)
19. Esme Wang (Asian Female)
20. Claire Vaye Watkins (White Female)
21. Chinelo Okparanta (Black Female)
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Link: https://granta.com/issues/best-young-american-novelists-3/
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>>9759660
Greg Jackson is a Jewish male, according to him, I read in some interview
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>>9759755
Source?
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>>9759660
check the archive
I hate how I feel the need to read boring books because pseudo intellectuals claim you need to read them for "insights" when they just want you to pump up the value of their hierarchy by expending energy within it. I see novels as something to be enjoyed. I simply don't have the balls to live life according to my own intellectual and aesthetic tastes while calling out the dumb bullshit as I see it. I know there are no "insights" in Dostoevsky other than the made up crap that people judge based on fashion. I would honestly give up on most books within 50 pages if I used my taste.
I hate how I'm an ugly 26 year old male with no friends, whoha never had attention from women ever, and hasn't had a social life at all since I was 18. I went through university like this. Tinder shows that women have Chads on tap and it is clear that they live easy lives and society sees males as disposable shit to be bled dry and discarded. I hate how you can't even point this out, and the trivial empirical observations are ignored.
I hate how I eat junk food and coffee to dull the mental pain of my shit life, ruining my sleep and gym strength. I hate how I became the ugly loner beta at my workplace within a few days. It confirmed everything I ever intuited about the workplace and professional environments and the necessity of normieness to succeed.
I hate how boringness is seen as a sign of intellectual worth. I hate how simplicity is seen as proof of near worthlesness.
I hate my desire for a philosophy that will let me know what to do. I know there is no such thing and I would feel like a dehumanised robot if I tried to follow it. I know that the truths are all trivially obvious and most "insightful" thoughts stem from a deviation from them justified by lies and obscurantism (there is no meaning to life, no objective morals, no way to optimise life, no automatic cost for hedonism, no automatic gain for pain, no guaranteed qualities to compensate ugliness or vice versa).
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If you enjoy the subject matter it's not boring.
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Cool story familia.
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>>9759436
Maybe you're just boring.
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What are some books in support of freewill. I NEED to know it exists. It has to
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>>9759416
BUMP for interest
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I could write one if you'd like
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>>9759416
The Holy Bible
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You always get told as a kid not to look at the sun and well, you shouldn't but doesn't that give Sun a kind of mythological aspect to it? Now imagine if the sun was actually God (or God inhabited it..). Wouldn't that be comical? God always there, watching, and you could look at him whenever you wanted to but you don't because it's so bright that you never do and neither does anyone else and therefore no one will never know
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Is that why we like to sin at nightthis thread is stupid
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It's a pretty common symbol I believe. The Divine Comedy comes to mind.
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No, you just must not look at it directly in order not to damage the cells in your retina; it's only a biological hazard, hence the warning.
What are the most common signs that someone is a newbe reader?
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>>9759033
They think they've "outgrown" Plato.
I laff and laff.
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>>9759033
>1. They think use of general plot devices = rip off
>2. especially when they have to name 3 works, going "this is like X + Y, sprinkled with Z. total rip off"
>3. They judge book quality by actions of the characters or palatability of events that happen in the book.
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>>9759033
Intellectual virtue signaling using well known classics
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Is it worth learning German just to read Goethe, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, and maybe a couple of poets?
I already know another Germanic language so I think it would be relatively easy.
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It's the only thing worth learning german for.
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>>9759000
Make sure to read Hesse too!
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As a native german-speaker, I would say no. The old and poetic writing style of Goethe, Schiller, Nietzsche ect. is very complecst. You need to practice many, many years before you can read these texts.
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"The fable of intelligible freedom."
>No one is responsible for his deeds, no one for his nature; to judge is to be unjust. This is also true when the individual judges himself
Do you think we are not responible for our actions, /lit/?
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We possess the responsibility for our actions in much the same way that we possess our personal identity. It is a form of property.
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the richard dawkins of his time. contributed nothing to the field, made stuff already covered by his predecessors accessible to the masses.
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They are responsible for the consequences of their deeds, but they're not responsible for the deeds themselves.
Free will is a myth, lad. In the future when they understand the processes of the brain better than we do today, I'm sure they'll find that at the smallest level, we don't control shit.
You don't decide to be lazy, you don't choose, your brain chooses. The actual structure of your brain, if you could "zoom in" and see the neurons firing, etc, you aren't in control of that.
It's genetic/environmental, etc.
We should be held accountable for our actions/inactions, but we do not control them. If you're fucking ugly, then too bad! If you're mentally fucked? Well then, just the same.
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Moron
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does anyone here read books off their computer screen? if so how do you get into it?
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>>9758856
read pdfs from libgen, it's an eyesore though
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>>9758856
open the pdf and start reading it
>>9759010
pic related
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>>9759332
is that actually helpful? i feel like i have to re read sentences dramatically more frequently than if its an ereader or a hard copy
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Thoughts on the writer Michael Rosen? What's his best work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akwm2UZJ34o
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Fantastic
His smile
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The Michael Rosen Rap
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>>9758718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdd-UJa1tBE
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Is Don Quixote still worth the read after all these years? It actually sounds very intriguing but I just want to hear from someone who has read it.
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It's still funny if you like violent humor. Also, a lot of it is still relevant, like how at one point the idea that the media that one enjoys effects their ideology. Also about making your dreams into reality. And much more. It's very complex. Just read it.
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>>9758560
This guy is a return. Grossman translation is the best text other than the original.
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>>9758575
*Retard
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What are some of the most poignant lines in literature?
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It is from a film, but the story is about a storyteller so fuck it. pic related.
Blink now if you must
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"I did it for you, son. I did it all for you," he said, just before exhaling his final breath.
"Don't die on me, pa! I can't make it on my own. I'm weak, pa. I'm weak. I'll never make it."
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Gazing up into the darkness I saw myself as a creature driven and derided by vanity; and my eyes burned with anguish and anger.
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Leave this board and never return if any of these apply to you:
>you read any form of genre fiction
>you barely know your classics
>you tend to believe that if you like a given work, it is justified on an artistic level
>you think everyone's opinion should be accepted and respected
>you speak a single language
>you read contemporary versions of Shakespeare or Milton
>you read for the plot
>you read for solely for entertainment
>you rarely read nonfiction
>you don't have a solid grounding in philosophy
>you don't have at least have some understanding of the Three Tragedians and Homer
>you have little to no understanding of literature outside of your cultural horizon
>you have little to no understanding of literature within your own cultural horizon
>you mostly read contemporary literature
>you believe 'the author is dead'
>you make your literary analysis proceed from ideology
>you think intricate prose is 'pretentious' and that the author 'should just get to the point'
>your rarely read poetry
>you think Rhythm and Rhyme is just useless rules and laws restricting creativity
>you have a hard time explaining why you like a given work
>you have a hard time forming structured and relevant literary criticism
>you tend to refuse to judge works for yourself, rather relying on the opinions of literary authorities
>you rarely read for more than one or two hours straight
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This is actually a very good list. Many readers hold several of these when they begin reading, but hopefully outgrow them.
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Leave this board and never return if you unironically post self improvement threads.
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>tfw do eight of these
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I'm scared of my allusion being to pretentious. I added "called it quits" because I thought a colloquialism might soften the blow, but I don't know if it's better to just embrace it and go all out.
What's the proper way to use an allusion?
(Feel free to criticize the rest).
>Stonewall took in the night. The ponderosas alongside the road, serene in the daytime, were now impenetrable walls. The song of flycatchers was mute, eclipsed by the hoots of owls and the rumbling of the cruiser’s engine. The sky, burdened with clouds, gave Stonewall the impression that Atlas had called it quits for the night.
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I just realized I don't want my writing to sound like the authors I read.
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>>9758316
Any specific examples of this or any conventions you emulate?
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>>9758254
too many commas
vocabulary is fine