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Does consciousness precede matter or does matter precede consciousness?
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Should I have posted this on /his/?
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>>9756997
I don't feel confident answering your question. but I think philosophy threads are allowed as long as the thread is linked to a specific work.
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>>9756997
Technically, but philosophy has always been a part of /lit/ and always will be.
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Daily reminder that you cannot win an argument against me because I am openly hypocritical
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>>9756973
Being openly and consistently hypocritical isn't very hypocritical desu.
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>>9756981
OP BTFO
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>>9756981
You're right tho
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Schopenhauer quotes I REALLY related to
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How should a man be content so long as he fails to obtain complete unity in his inmost being? For as long as two voices alternately speak in him, what is right for one must be wrong for the other. Thus he is always complaining. But has any man ever been completely at one with himself? Nay, is not the very thought a contradiction?
That a man shall attain this inner unity is the impossible and inconsistent pretension put forward by almost all philosophers. For as a man it is natural to him to be at war with himself as long as he lives. While he can be only one thing thoroughly, he has the disposition to be everything else, and the inalienable possibility of being it. If he has made his choice of one thing, all the other possibilities are always open to him, and are constantly claiming to be realised; and he has therefore to be continuously keeping them back, and to be overpowering and killing them as long as he wants to be that one thing. For example, if he wants to think only, and not act and do business, the disposition to the latter is not thereby destroyed all at once; but as long as the thinker lives, he has every hour to keep on killing the acting and pushing man that is within him; always battling with himself, as though he were a monster whose head is no sooner struck off than it grows again. In the same way, if he is resolved to be a saint, he must kill himself so far as he is a being that enjoys and is given over to pleasure; for such he remains as long as he lives. It is not once for all that he must kill himself: he must keep on doing it all his life. If he has resolved upon pleasure, whatever be the way in which it is to be obtained, his lifelong struggle is with a being that desires to be pure and free and holy; for the disposition remains, and he has to kill it every hour. And so on in everything, with infinite modifications; it is now one side of him, and now the other, that conquers; he himself is the battlefield. If one side of him is continually conquering, the other is continually struggling; for its life is bound up with his own, and, as a man, he is the possibility of many contradictions.
How is inner unity even possible under such circumstances? It exists neither in the saint nor in the sinner; or rather, the truth is that no man is wholly one or the other. For it ismenthey have to be; that is, luckless beings, fighters and gladiators in the arena of life.
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He looks like a goblin
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>>9756936
I patiently anticipate the day I have the knowledge to read and understand Schopenhauer's works.
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>>9756936
What's this from? Sounds pretty damn interesting
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Are there any respectable adult books that give you that same feeling of wonder you had reading trashy genreshit as a child? Where you spent your free time trying to emulate the protagonist and fantasizing about what you'd do in his place?
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>>9756835
I think you are longing for your own childhood, OP. It's not in a book.
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>>9756835
Don't be such a book snob and read whatever makes you enjoy.
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>>9756835
Op, whatever you do don't believe that /lit/ is actually how people are supposed to behave. We're all memers or far gone autists here.
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Which edition should i get?
Penguin modern classics or oxford or rec another one
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Oxford
Penguin is shit
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Who cares I doubt they'd mess with the text. I like the look of the Oxford one though.
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It does not matter.
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Is he any good? I am put off by Snow Crash mainly because of the Hiro Portagonist thing which is a massive groaner.
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>>9756648
you dropped a book because of a joke the author put in? wow, you must be fun at parties.
meh. Stephenson is pretty good, when he's not talking down to the audience ("Okay, you're all stupid, but you need to understand what Modulo means in maths.. so, you've got a bicycle with a damaged chain...")
Seveneves was a pretty good concept, but as a lot of people point out, it ended so suddenly that we're all expecting a sequel, and there hasn't been yet.
If i ever meet someone who compares "Cryptonomicon" to "Gravity's Rainbow" just because they both take place during the second world war and they both have at least one equation, i may have to kill them.
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>>9756648
I dropped Cryptonomicon at "inside you". Fuck that gay shit (no pun intended).
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I liked him when i was a teenager, but unfortunately i can't get into it anymore; unfortunate because they were very fun books.
The ones i read were
- 1 part fantastic atmosphere or setting.
- 6 parts overwhelming the reader with very boring technical and/or mundane infodumps or extremely long discussions between characters.
- 1 part technical and/or mundane infodumps or extremely long discussions between characters which were interesting, and sometimes fantastically atmospheric.
Stephenson also has a taste for playful writing, like the repetition in this post, or like "Hiro Protagonist", which will make you roll your eyes a lot. I don't think he does it too much whenever the plot kicks in.
When you get to the skater/crips concert you're probably going to hate the book and really want to put it down, but the half worth reading lies beyond this point.
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Post some of the strangest/ avant-garde works you know of.
Bonus points for works that require knowledge of multiple languages (like the cantos)
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Death of a Man by Wertenbaker(?)
i think I spelled the authors name wrong. Anyways it's a book from the mid 20th century written by the wife of a journalist who has colon or intestinal cancer.
>Charles Wertenbaker, an expat in France, feels sick all the time
>Goes to the states to see his doctor
>Doc says you've got the big C
>They go in and discover that he's pretty much terminal and the most they can do is a bunch of surgery to prolong his life.
>Charles says "fuck that i'm dying in my house, with my family, fuck dying in a hospital"
>He and his wife go home with a suitcase full of morphine to help it all go smoother
>Que series of heartbraking moments of this wife having to watch her husband deteriorate by his own hand pretty much. Shitting himself, howling in pain, not sleeping, not eating.
>He keeps up face for his kids
>Spends a lot of time in the old lighthouse on his property writing about whats going on (these diary pages are spliced into the wife's account)
>Finally ol Charlie says it's time, he can't take anymore
>Wife holds his hand and injects him with a lethal dose of morphine to put him down.
One of the best non-fictions I've ever read. I lost the book and I can't find it anywhere.
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>>9756511
my writing actually
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>>9756661
I'm writing a novella written in a future English. So there's many colloquialisms, spelling, grammar, et cetera changes, with influences from other languages like future Chinese, but it's still Latin script and resembles today English somewhat.
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Join /lit/cord friends. We have some exciting reading groups coming up, including
>Joseph and His Brothers by Thomas Mann
A mammoth work considered by Mann to be his magnum opus. Composed over 16 years, Mann retells twenty-odd chapters of Genesis in a sweeping, 2000 page narrative. The book touches on culture, storytelling/mythmaking, individualism, and the usual erudite topics that Mann is known for, infused with a heavy dosage of Biblical mysticism of the sort that fascinated Mann more and more as he aged.
-Celestial Harmonies by Peter Esterhazy
Esterhazy is a descendant of the old, prominent Hungarian noble family, possibly best remembered today for its patronage of Joseph Haydn. The book chronicles the history of the family through a fictional lens that is nonetheless intimately tied with European history over the past few centuries. The narrative is deceptively simple, but actually nonlinear, and gradually reveals the trajectory of Esterhazy history, often as a metaphor for broader themes.
>The Tartar Steppe by Dino Buzzati
A desolate picture of a young soldier wandering the vast, titular steppes, as a meditation on the human condition and the eternal questions of ambition, glory, and man's search for meaning.
>The works of Richard Powers
A couple of us are taking the Powers-pill and exploring a very exciting contemporary novelist, who has some of the best literary depictions of the troubled by inextricable connection between science and the arts in the modern world. Currently reading The Echo Maker.
https://discord.gg/TgjNuAs
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>actually reading
get out. this is /lit/
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dude! i have a copy of that, but i was always paranoid to read it in case he takes liberties with the biblical tales and makes me confused about what's in the bible or not, maybe i'll finally read it tho probably not
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I got perma banned from the discord a few month back.
Any good books about Egypt? I was thinking about the pyramids earlier today and realized I didn't really know anything about the country and any literature that may have come from there.
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For fiction there's just it's mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat
If no one here can recommend an up to date non-fiction, maybe /hist/ can help you out.
I've been watching youtubes on Gobekli Tepe and Graham Hancock quoted a Greek who said something like "Egypt mirrors the heavens"
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Handbook to Life in Ancient Egypt by Rosalie David
Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization by Barry Kemp
The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt by Richard H. Wilkinson
Death and Salvation in Ancient Egypt by Jan Assmann
The Instructions of Kagemni
The Maxims of Ptahhotep
The Instructions of Amenemhat
The Loyalist Teaching
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many say he was the only American philosopher that was worth anything, i.e the greatest american philosopher
why?
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>>9756276
"Many"
I guess you went to his descendants house
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He's not
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>>9756276
Because he taught and strongly influenced John Maynard Keynes (I think).
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Why the flying fuck is Severian on a spaceship? What happened to all the delightful archaic words?
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>>9756255
He was on a spaceship during while writing BOTNS? Why wouldn't he be now? Are you baiting me?
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nigger did you even read citadel
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The part where the reverse-trap mermaid tried to kill him gave me a boner.
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I've read Cat's Cradle and Slaughterhouse Five, what's next? Any of his books I should avoid?
Vonnegut thread I guess.
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>>9756205
Hitlers mein kampf and schopenhauers on women for redpilled truths of whiteness and masculinity
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>>9756205
read welcome to the monkey house and sirens of titan.
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Mother Night is good.
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>mfw my girlfriend compared me to Adam Trask
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>mfw my girlfriend and I compare Adam's apples
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>>9756125
Who is this semen demon?
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>>9756084
run
what does /lit/ think of pic related? i think it contains enough thought provoking conceptual assemblages and motifs that i can excuse the theory wankery
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>>9756062
Sry, no idea what that is. I'm only here since I read it as Cyropaedia.
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>>9756062
>i think it contains enough thought provoking conceptual assemblages and motifs that i can excuse the theory wankery
What a sentence.
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Is this Aung?
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Why does this nigga right here not make an sense to me? I don't understand any of his poems (they sound bretty kool tho). Am I just too much of a brainlet pleb?
I really liked Goethe's Faust Part I (part II seemed like the incoherent ramblings of a drunk urban vagrant), but I seem to have met my match with the work of Holderlin.
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>>9755734
its just post-lutheran german justifications of war mongering, whats not to get?
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>>9755741
Yeah but is this "Diotima" he speaks of just some camwhore slut?
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Faust II is on a completely different level than Faust I - when he wrote I Goethe was relatively young. He wrote II for the rest of his life and made it as dense as possible with as many references as possible. There's a reason German highschool usually only reads Faust I.
Are you reading Holderlin in translation?