I just got interested in them and am now wondering what some great books on the subject are.
>>9895440
Start with the Greeks
start with alberto eco's the da vinci aesthetic
>>9895440
Could you be more specific? Would you like to read e.g. Aristotle, Plato, Baumgarten, Hume, Kant, Hegel... or perhaps someone interpreting their works? Or are you after an introductory book?
Thomism is patrician and all, but can my cat REALLY not go to heaven?
>>9895307
No, I love Cats but they totally go to hell
>>9895307
No. They don't have immortal souls.
you get the same satisfaction of having a pet once you made it into heaven
Came across a reference to it in the notes of my edition of Plato's Republic. It has interesting implications about the moral duty of the author.
Here's a quote from it I took from its wiki page:
just as in the evolution of knowledge - that is, the forcing out and supplanting of mistaken and unnecessary knowledge by truer and more necessary knowledge - so the evolution of feelings takes place by means of art, replacing lower feelings, less kind and less needed for the good of humanity, by kinder feelings, more needed for that good. This is the purpose of art.
Basically, it seems that, if your writing encourages your readers to imagine themselves as a character who is morally questionable, then you're doing nothing to contribute to the great human endeavour. In fact, you're wasting your own time and the time of your readership - perhaps even influencing them to act in similar ways.
Just remember /lit/, when reading and writing, do so with the G R E A T E S T C A U T I O N. There is a lot of decadent material out there. Tolstoy goes as far as to make a clean sweep of most "classic" authors and artists, including Shakespeare and Dante.
>>9895072
Yes, but more importantly I've read it absolutely rekt by Orwell:
http://orwell.ru/library/essays/lear/english/e_ltf
seems similar to the concept of "deathworks," art and cultural works that have the freudian death drive and are made to destroy
>>9895254
Thanks for this. I'll probably read this first, since it is shorter, and keep it in mind while I read Tolstoy's piece. But right now I gotta go to work
It's from a nostalgia thread on a different board.
Requester asked to see more. And I figure, this book is 100 years old. WW1 ended about 100 years ago. Maybe requester has an older relative from those days, baby age or otherwise, and maybe they want a few pages to read.
I don't know, but I said I'd do it.
Boss Level History.
Nominate 1 book per person only. I nominate this because it is six volumes of crazy-ass action and stories told by this arrogant well-spoken dude with a knack for wordplay. Although some of the chapters about religious history get a bit boring and I might have some issues with some of the finer points of his scheme, nonetheless it was an amazing read and took just over a year to read all six volumes at a very leisurely pace.
>>9895058
Do you recommend having a background in Roman history already before tackling this?
What level of knowledge would produce the most enjoyable and informative results?
>>9895063
I don't think it's really necessary just the main thing is sticking with it if the sentences seem complicated and hard to read at first.
As for my recommendation, here goes something a bit different that I haven't seen here:
Lives of the Most Excellent Painters, Sculptors, and Architects
Giorgio Vasari
Basically short biographies of many Italian Renaissance artists from someone who was there (published in the 1500s). It's the basis of what we know about many well-known people at the time such as Da Vinci, Donatello, and so on.
It is long, but an enjoyable read if you take it slowly (you can read it in parts until you get bored then come back). It gives you a great look into the Renaissance, and its influences and influence. You might find some artists whose work you like if you're into this period of art.
Dear lit
What do you think of the psychedelic experience -
Timothy Leary?
Two friends and I are planning to follow the instructions while taking lsd in a few weeks.
Any experiences, tips, recommandations of any kind?
>>9894935
I've never heard of this but I like psychedelics. I'm going camping on Thursday and have a quarter of shrooms waiting for me. I'll look into this.
There was a recent interview in 3AM Magazine (mag that interviews academic philosophers and their current thought) on psychedelics and philosophy. You should check it out.
http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/tripping-knowledge-psychedelic-epistemologist/
What do you think of this proposed adaptation of a South American el clasico?
>Herzog
>Guzman
looks like Kino. haven't read that book though. it's like a Mexican Ada or Ardor right?
>>9894537
I actualy don't think herzog would be good for that movie. He has more of a verite style and tends to make quite simple plots that are very cinematic. I think this movie would have to have more painstakingly meticulous visuals, and would obviously be very dense plotwise.
I feel like someone like Inarritu, cuaron, or tornatore could handle it better for those reasons and also cause of their hispanic heritage they could possibly have a beter time making it in its original language as it should be in.
>>9894654
>Inarritu
The guy has only made two genuinely good films and his influnece on LATAM film has been horrible.
His only forte in relation to 100 Years would be the fact that he's pretty decent at handling more than one storyline on a single film.
>Cuaron
Hack.
>Tornatore
Better than the other two, I guess. His strong sentimentality could potentially translate GGM's purple prose pretty well.
What are some good /lit/ majors and occupations that will allow me to live a fulfilled and comfortable life?
gay escort in Mexico
Pro Roblox Player
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Can anyone reccommend me any philosophy which by design attempts to shirk any attempts to use it as justification or argument for socio-political ideology
like something so steadfastly individualist and transcendent that to attempt to identify it or align it as either left or right or fascist or socialist or marxist etc etc is to entirely miss the point
Possibly containing ideas about the identification with in groups being a resentful / insecure / futile attempt to assuage death anxiety and individual insecurity
ie something similar to joyces "fly by the nets of nationalism, race, religion" thing but more fleshed out and philosophical and ykno, a whole book.
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Nihilism
Scepticism
You grow out of it though
>can someone please enslave me with ideology?
>not social or political though
You might have better luck on reddit
Why would you even bother with other philosophy once you've read Stirner?
Because his and any other philosopher's basic axioms can still be disputed, dropped, or improved.
>>9894425
Stirner is nothing new. It's what me and the other Christians told you about for years. Alas, it was 'rude', 'horrible', 'moralizing' and 'fear mongering'.
Without God, your ego will compete with society in a lawless manner.
>>9894425
You don't need to fear spooks, but they are real and karmic balance will come for ignoring them.
There is no nescience for them. For good reason: you should read Kant, Lewis and Jung.
>Reading Freud.
>MFW you realise leftists and the alt-right white supremacists are all just displaying symptoms of hysteria and neurasthenia brought about by sexual frustration.
>MFW you realise that radical feminists and leftist women succumb to degeneracy because they aren't getting fucked or reproducing.
>MFW you realise that its politically incorrect to accept this as truth because its embarrassing to admit; and denial of this explanation for their behaviour is a catch-22.
Psychoanalysis (Freudian) is literally the greatest shit I have ever read.
>mfw left and right are just synonyms of dogshit and I literally don't give a fuck about political bullshit
>>9894350
>I'm a centrist.
>>9894351
>I'm a human being
>Jaime is good guy no really
>First thing he does is push a seven year-old out of a window
>Second thing he does is order his men to pointlessly murder Ned's men in a street after acknowledging that he gains nothing by hurting Ned
And then the rest of the story happens.
>>9894135
Yes,
I believe it's called character development
>He still subscribes to the good guy/bad guy dichotomy
Why do 4chan users now pretend they aren't nihilistic?
nihilists
>>9894025
why does anyone pretend that they are nihilistic?
> aw, man, i don't believe in nothin' no more
>>9894025
There you go again, acting like this isn't absolutely destroying you just as it is me. Don't worry. Take my hand, we'll walk side by side into this hell you've created.
>let me just read some casual 20 pages of IJ real quick
>middleway through it, come across a note
>specifically note 110
>note is 20 fucking pages long
>>9893518
oh sweetie let me help you
http://www.cosmoetica.com/b326-des266.htm
>>9893526
this review is bad man.
much worse than IJ.
>>9893526
that review is a bit rude
also
>finnegans wake
>poseur crap
>Read the introduction to a novel written by some "literary critic". Pic Related
>Literal spoilers in the 2nd paragraph
Why the fuck is this allowed?
>>9893498
That's infuriating. What novel was it?
>>9893503
Blood Meridian. I'm now going to close this thread because you only asked so you could drop even more spoilers.