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I just finished reading this, and I feel like so much passed over my head. I've been told it really takes shape the third or fourth time you read through it, but I want to take a break from it for a bit and read something less... dense.
One thing I'm confused about, though, is that I heard that Severian was an unreliable narrator and lies to the reader at various points, but the only thing I really picked up on was that he was intimate with Thecla even though he seemed to imply initially that he never did anything other than provide her with books and conversation. That seemed more an omissions than an outright lie, though, and even then, it doesn't seem like that significant a detail.
So, when exactly does he lie, and why? He doesn't seem to be very interested in making himself look good; he admits cowardice pretty regularly.
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Anyone?
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>>9907212
I don't have the novel in front of me, but there is a scene at the beggining of the series where he makes a point to note that someone fights with a certain weapon and then later on he revisits the scene and claims that a character was there when they clearly weren't according to his early account. the urth.net mailing list did a whole compilation of Severian's lies/memory lapses. I'l l try and dig it up for you.
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>>9906815
ey I just finished the first one a moment ago (literally) and wanted to see if there was any relatable thread. I really liked it, the next 3 are in the mail
what are your questions? I don't recall any outright acts of lying, but it seems that Severian seems to exaggerate quite a bit, especially with regards to women. And while his imposing presence seems true, I don't think he is quite as grandiose as he supposes. One part that sticks out to me is when he is relaying the story of Father Inire and the mirrors to Agia and the narrative breaks back to the present and she says something like 'I could hear you muttering back there'. So while that's fairly inconsequential, that's all I have compared to some sort of egregious lying
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Hows Dune? Is it a generic childrens fantasy akin to dragonlance & others or does it have merit?
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>>9906787
It basically just copied star wars so just watch the star wars films to get the same experience
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>>9906787
It's pulpyf u n.
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>>9906793
Fuck you nigger
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So let's say I'm a 27 year old antique dealer in Williamsburg, Virginia. Let me also supply for your consideration my daily habits: the sweeping of floors, the astro-turfing of worthy causes on social media, the ritual cleansing of my 44-gallon beta fish tank. I've also been known to enjoy a cool Crystal Pepsi after lovemaking. Knowing all of this, could you recommend me some books?
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Culture of Critique series. Take the red pill
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>>9906631
Sorry, forgot to mention I'm Jewish
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>>9906636
Well, in that case, gas yourself.
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Let's say that I'm a 47 year old hydrologist who spends her time listening to nasal retentive calliope music, plucking out tunes on my auto-harp, seasoning crepe pans, going to the farmer's market with my sister and occasionally taking DXM. What books would you recommend me?
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>>9906540
le so random xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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>>9906545
I bet you'd lap it up under different circumstances
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>>9905590
ah ah so funny stop with the meme threads
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Let's say that I'm a 32 year old freelance copywriter from a sultry Southern city who spends his days listening to Arthur Russel and Steely Dan, smoking cigarettes, drinking with his landlord, and habitually abusing psychedelic drugs. What sort of books would you recommend me?
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Suicide
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Suttree
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Seppuku
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I've decided I want to learn Latin. I have no idea how to go about doing this. Please, help me.
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>>9906402
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_-Qs8ijddzcXzFkZGVzbmdHVE0/view
Some girl here posted this. Enjoy. It's super fun. I've been using it too.
part 2:
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Get this: the guy dies in a fiery flame along with his dog. Horrific to grow so close to someone - whether or not they exist - only to see them put down. My recommendation is to closely watch Caecilius. He is a brave man, and an example to us all.
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>>9906412
lmao wut?
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What does true literature provide that genre fiction does not?
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>>9906381
It is representative rather than merely formal in its essence.
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P R O S E
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>>9906394
this
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le intellectual scorn
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>if you're angry that means you want to have le sex
What was his fucking problem?
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>>9906245
What was *their* problem, you mean? The collective group of "intellectuals" who, in every photo, make sure to posture and hold some laughable expression of intent seriousness? Perhaps you will notice not one of them comes across as a genius. No, artistic and STEM geniuses often hold and indifferent expression or a lighthearted one because they are involved with fulfilling work which they can leave behind them when taking a photograph. The "scorners" are less interested in their work and more in their narcissistic climbing of a power hierarchy. Nietzsche, a professional scorner, often changed his opinions based on personal matters (see "The Birth of Tragedy" vs "The Case For Wagner". The latter happened to be written after a personal falling out). Or Freud, who """""feinted""""" when Jung gave a speech after he had a personal falling out with him. And those are merely two examples.
It's pathetic. Plain and simple, a symptom of the posturing hack who goes about his work as if he were Hercules.
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>>9906283
>being this futile
I'd like to see a portrait of a notable person, from any field, taken in the 19th century where they wear a lighthearted expression.
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Would Heidegger aprove his lifestyle?
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>>9906098
I'm not sure vlogging on youtube was part of Heidegger's vision
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>>9906098
Who is he? I just shitpost all day without ever reading anything.
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>>9906111
Depends of the content of the vloging
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Has his nightmare come true?
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>>9906015
lmao redpill kikes SJW leftism cultural marxism cuck feminist white genocide
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...There's only interpretations...
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>>9906015
Well yes, that's what the 20th century was.
BTW guys where should we go when the leftists finally get 4chan shut down?
what are the best books for that chilly, gloomy, rainy setting?
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Is that the sea? Where do you live?
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>>9905983
The Lime Twig
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Hard Rain Falling
Lanark
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>falling for the Wittgenstein meme
A philosopher so obviously, categorically wrong that the mere absurdity of his claims is endearing enough to garner fascination. I've got to admit he is an interesting character, and it might be fruitful to read him in the same way he read Otto Weininger: as a comedic, grandiose failure whose uniqueness might warrant some form of admiration. And to hold him as an ideal, that of the complete opposite of an adequate approach to linguistics, metaphysics and epistemology.
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Darüber muß OP schweigen
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>>9905905
>no actual arguments
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>>9905925
>4chan.org
tfw Marinetti predicted 4chan and Web 2.0 over a century ago:
>Fortunately, the Variety Theater, born like us into the age of electricity, is without traditions, masters, or dogmas, and it feeds on the rapidly passing events of the moment.
>The Variety Theater is pure action and sets out to distract and amuse, using comic effects, erotic suggestion, or startling imagination.
>Authors, actors, and stagehands, in the Variety Theater, have only one raison d’être, one means of triumph, that of endlessly inventing new ways of causing amazement. From which it follows that it is absolutely impossible for them to fall into stagnation or to repeat themselves.
>And here are just a few of these wondrous inventions: 1. powerful caricatures; 2. the very depths of absurdity; 3. delightful, unsurpassable ironies; 4. all-embracing, definitive symbols; 5. cascades of uncontrollable laughter; 6. well-conceived analogies between human beings, the animal kingdom, the plant world, and the world of machines; 7. glimpses of revealing cynicism; 8. intricate interplay of witty sayings, puns, and riddles, which have the effect of airing the brain in an enjoyable manner; 9. the whole gamut of laughter and smiles to calm the nerves; 10. the whole gamut of silliness, idiocy, gawkiness, and absurdities, which drive intelligence imperceptibly to the edge of madness; 11. all the new meanings of light, sound, noise, and words, with their mysterious and inexplicable extensions into the least known parts of our sensibilities; 12. the piling up of events that are raced through in an instant, and of stage characters bundled off, from right to left, in a couple of minutes [...]; 13. instructive satirical pantomime; 14. caricatures of grief and nostalgia, strongly imprinted upon our sensibilities through gestures that are exaggerated by their spasmodic, hesitant, and wearying slowness; grave words made ridiculous by comic body language, bizarre disguises, twisted words, grimaces, and buffoonery.
>The Variety Theater of today is a melting pot of the many elements of a new sensibility in the making. In it one finds an ironic decomposition of all the tired old stereotypes—the Beautiful, the Great, the Solemn, the Religious, the Ferocious, the Seductive, and the Terrifying, as well as abstract sketches of the new prototypes that will take their places.
[cont]
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>The Variety Theater is thus a synthesis of everything that humankind has hitherto instinctively refined to lift its spirits, by laughing at material and moral anguish. What’s more, it is the bubbling fusion of all laughter, all smiles, all guffaws, all contortions, and all grimaces of future humanity.
>The Variety Theater is the only one that closely involves the audience. The latter does not sit there unmoving, like some stupid voyeur, but noisily participates in the action. It sings along with the actors, beats time with the orchestra, and communicates through spontaneous witticisms and bizarre exchanges with the actors, who themselves lark about with the musicians.
>The Variety Theater is an instructive schooling in sincerity for the male, since it plays up his predatory instincts as well as tearing away all the woman’s veils, all her words, her sighs, her romantic sobs that deform her and conceal her true qualities. Instead, it emphasizes all the admirable, instinctive qualities in a woman, her particular strengths—her grasp of things, her seductiveness, her fickleness, and her resilience.
>The Variety Theater is a school for subtlety, complexity, and mental synthesis for its clowns, its conjurors, its mind readers, its geniuses with mental arithmetic, its goofy actors, its imitators and parodists, its musical wizards, and its American eccentrics, those whose pregnant fantasies give birth to the most unlikely objects and devices.
>The Variety Theater is the only school to recommend to quickwitted adolescents and youngsters because it rapidly and incisively explains the most abstruse problems and the most complex political events.
>The Variety Theater is naturally antiacademic, primitive, and naive, and thus carries more significance because of the unexpectedness of its revelations and the simplicity of its means.
>The Variety Theater destroys the Solemn, the Sacred, the Serious, and the Sublime in Art with a capital A. It assists in the Futurist destruction of immortal masterpieces, by plagiarizing them, parodying them, treating them casually, without formal presentation and without any apologies, just like any other ordinary turn.
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is marinetti good? i think deleuze mentions him in abecedaire
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Good pasta. Which book of his are you reading?
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Leave this board and never return if any of these apply to you:
>you read any form of genre fiction
>you barely know your classics
>you tend to believe that if you like a given work, it is justified on an artistic level
>you think everyone's opinion should be accepted and respected
>you speak a single language
>you read contemporary versions of Shakespeare or Milton
>you read for the plot
>you read for entertainment
>you rarely read nonfiction
>you don't have a solid grounding in philosophy
>you don't have at least have some understanding of the Three Tragedians and Homer
>you have little to no understanding of literature outside of your cultural horizon
>you have little to no understanding of literature within your own cultural horizon
>you mostly read contemporary literature
>you believe 'the author is dead'
>you make your literary analysis proceed from ideology
>you think intricate prose is 'pretentious' and that the author 'should just get to the point'
>your rarely read poetry
>you think Rhythm and Rhyme is just useless rules and laws restricting creativity
>you have a hard time explaining why you like a given work
>you have a hard time forming structured and relevant literary criticism
>you tend to refuse to judge works for yourself, rather relying on the opinions of literary authorities
>you rarely read for more than one or two hours straight
What book are you reading?
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delet this
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fuck off Tallis
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>>9905766
>>you read any form of genre fiction
>>you read for the plot
>>you read for entertainment
How can someone have their head so up their ass?
Multiple timeless classics were genre fiction of their time.
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Get in partner, we /fitlit/ now
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PRINCE NASSIM HAD TO GO PEE
UNDER A PALM TREE~~
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>>9905686
He is from Lebanon. He needs to go back.
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>>9905696
Greek Orthodox, he can stay.