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>>9939803
stfu, I love Celan.
& waifu Bachmann.

>>9939708
>analytic autist
>anime shit

Never fails

>spent a considerable amount of time trying to read [insert any philosophers] instead of Wittgenstein
fixed

this is what happens when you don't start with the Greeks

or at least with Hume/Kant

Deleuze heavily needs context to understand

This is not the introduction to the story. I was told in lastnights thread to introduce the story with the focus on the protagonist, and in a POV perspective, as well as leave out some of the "dry details". I will take that into consideration.

>In my story the main character is a Marine who is deployed to board enemy ships and engage in close quarters combat in a very unforgiving vacuum (and sometimes zero G, and toxic) environment where most of his friends are killed. He is very patriotic and loves serving in the military, he looks forward to the day he can be dischared and go to college, but after killing several men and watching many of his friends die, he begins to become demoralized and simpithize with the the rebels. He wants to return home and be with his wife and son, but after witnessing the execution of much of his platoon who were wounded and had surrendured. He becomes an even more merciless and effective Marine, receiving many accolades, medals, and awards. He ends up becoming an alcoholic and high ranking enlisted man in his 30s after being divorced from his wife and losing custody of his son. He spirals further into insanity and is executed by firing squad arter murdering several POWs under his supervision. His son also enlists in the military at the age of 18, knowing almost nothing about his father, and only meeting him once when he was a child.

There is much more to the story but that's the bread and butter.

>>9939676

I remember reading the thread and not replying last night, even though I meant to. Sorry about that.
You might want to add some of the elaboration from the last thread, explaining where this fits into the story (i.e. it's not the beginning, though contrary to some opinions in the last thread I think it works as a method of throwing the reader into the world it's creating) and the rest of the plot in broad strokes (the main character being disillusioned by the war).
Anyway:

I like what you've got here. Would I be right in thinking you're inspired by a mixture of Tom Clancy-esque modern war novels with a focus on military hardware and military sci-fi like Starship Troopers?

My only real complaint comes in with the technicals: If the BOARD stops rapidly via explosives, what stops the marines inside from getting splattered? You might want a quick line explaining it, seeing as you've gone into so much detail here.

The little technical niggles aside, I like what's here. A nice crunchy bit of military sci-fi exposition that very much sets the world it takes place in. I'd like to see a sample of the story proper, to get a handle on the style of that before I pass judgement, but it's looking good even before we take into account any lack of formal education.

Heading to bed now, as it's 3am here in Britain, but if the thread's still up in the morning I'll be back.

>>9939676
>>Battalion Ordanince Assault & Reconnaissance Delivery


Ordinance? most text editors come with a spell checker. don't use your phone to compose text.


>>After the naval engagement at Remiter in 2142, a need for disrupting and engaging an enemy flagship beyond its engagement range was noted by the USSC.

passive voice, lol

> A contract for a boarding device capable of delivering a squad of marines (16 personnel) to an enemy warship was submitted to the public.


passive voice again. if you're parodying the official military tone, then fine.


> Tycron Heavy Industry Orbital was awarded the contract. The BOARD is capable of delivering a vehicle to an enemy vessel at ranges of 1.37Ls, beyond the ranges of almost all rail accelerators and thermal weapons currently fielded by the rebellion. It is also capable of launching ECMs, chaff, and


is this based on a roleplaying combat system?

your "bread and butter" description below leads me to think this story has a touch of what's called Lincoln Stebbins-Moreland syndrome, or "I am the ultimate Bad-Ass". ultimate bad-ass stories appeal to teenaged boys, but they don't often have much depth to them.

I prefer getting a sloppy blowjob from my gf while reading her poetry but that's just me

>>9939657
It's not as good as posting about it on an imageboard full of strangers.

>laying your book down like that, so that it will eventually splay and look busted

pig disgusting

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Recordatorio de que Manuel no es el creador de este formato narrativo, lleva años existiendo hilos de twitter que cuentan historias.

Me interesa cero. Pero quién lo disfrute, palante.

>¿Popularizará las historias de hilos de twitter?

Espero y deseo que no, por el amor de dios.

>¿A qué extraños motivos se debe su gigantesca viralización?

Mucha gente no conoce que tenía una página en El Jueves y era bastante meh.

De verdad no acabo de entender el repentino éxito y viralización. Desde luego no es una historia demasiado elaborada o potente para justificar los tropecientos comentarios que se está llevando.

>>9939494
moby dick
and that one book by jon fosse, cant remember

>>9939494
All the fiction books about the ocean I'd recommend probably wouldn't fit the 'modern' timescale here. Hmm.

If you're cool with it being nonfiction, I'd recommend Log From the Sea of Cortez. It's Steinbeck and his marine biologist buddy sailing the Gulf of California.

>>9939497

>moby dick

literally 'my dick'

Western canon??

>>9939479
HEHE JEWS

praise lord kek

>>9939481
ebin I know, but I knew I'd get bumped more that way

>>9939479
>(((David Leopold)))

Eh no thanks

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>>9939407
'cos Sinclair is one of the most underrated writers of his era

>>9939407
Huey Long did nothing wrong

He didnt, all he did was take the scare mongering the media directed at Huey Long and exaggerated it for 300 pages.

>>9939394
Definitely agree on the comedy. Vonnegut just has a naturally joking style of writing that I love (and it only gets better as you read more of his stuff). I prefer Cat's Cradle for my Vonnegut fix, as it has some great jokes (and manages to effectively get 'The Children's Crusade' aspect of SL5 across better than SL5 did in a single page of speech) but SL5 is fantastic.

I will say that the emotional impact of the book is lesser now than it was at the time, though. More powerful books about the horrors of war have come out (and some preceded it) since SL5's release. I was fortunate enough to read it before Catch 22, and I have to say that I feel that Catch 22 achieves what Vonnegut attempted just that much better. Not to say that this renders SL5 bad, it covers another aspect of the trauma of war, but Catch 22's gut punches landed more solidly for me.

Finally, I like it as a sort of introductory work to postmodernism. The style, the unreliable narrator and general tone are perfect as a launching point into Pynchon.

>>9939432
I just realised I shortened Slaughterhouse Five to SL5 and not SH5. Shit.

Also, to elaborate on the feeling of his writing: when I say joking, I mean that it feels almost like listening to someone talk, like he's there shrugging and saying 'So it goes' when someone dies. It's a trend that you find throughout his writing, and he's probably the only writer who can do it consistently well.

>>9939506
Yeah I know what you mean. He takes on a very frank and conversational tone with the reader which makes it a lot easier to deliver jokes. The reason some of his jokes were so funny is because he's being so open and honest with the reader, like the scene in the latrine where he says "yes that was me, the narrator. I was shitting my guts out." It's short, concise and to the point yet so memorable. I really loved the way he set up these little moments.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Read The Canterbury Tales mate.

>>9939318
If you're looking for fantasy recommendations then I'd recommend asking the Sci-fi/Fantasy general. >>9939025

This isn't to say that this is a bad request, it's just that they'll have the answers and don't leave their general very much.

For what it's worth, if you want to get into fantasy it might be worth looking into classics like Lord of the Rings. It's always nice to have an idea of where the common tropes came from. It's especially true if you're coming at it from Souls, as the games were inspired by Choose your own Adventure books heavily inspired by LotR.

>>9939318
HP
LOVECRAFT

>>9939307
Kill
Yourself

>>9939303
Bunch of fantasy dorks fight over a wall and a dragon in a single Kingdom in Earth's latest dorky-fantasy fandom, so I don't see why DUNE being on just one planet, primarily, would have been the issue.

>>9939303
Kill yourself
>>9939309
Kill yourself

>>9939303
Likely because Dune has far less of a visual element to it than Star Treck, Star Wars or 40k. We could talk about how it's more challenging than any of those series as well (and less family friendly), but I definitely think it's the ease of consumption.

Star Wars/Trek can be shared and experienced episodically, and you can have it on in the background while doing other stuff. 40k does this slightly less, but it has the advantage of fitting into a niche of being collectible, which always helps build a fanbase, and that collectibility is helped by its strong aesthetic (whether or not you like it, it definitely has a 'look'). With Dune you have to either watch a film that doesn't get the story across to you, or you have to read a long book which doesn't even have any pictures to make memes out of.

There's also the merchandising aspect. It's hard to build a fanbase of that sort around Dune when you lack a billion bits of merch to ply kids with, before they even get into the series.

>>9939301
bump i know at least 2 of you have read this. hopefully you weren't memeing (meming?)

>>9939280
There are many introductory books on philosophy of mind. Pick one.
Also you can listen a Berkeley university course on the subject on YouTube.

>>9939280
I recommend starting with "The Dialogue" By Plato

>>9939616
That is "The Dialogues"* my bad

"Apology: the Death of Socrates " in particular

Magic Tree House.

>>9939257
satan burger

Jack vance