/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

Has anyone read Gemma Files' Book of Tongues
>wild west priest is magic
>has sex with a legit psychopath gunslinger
>kill a bunch of people
>fuck around
>Ancient aztec goddess stirs shit up.
>shit goes down
>accidentally doom the whole goddamn world.
and that's only book one
I fucking love it. I haven't seen anyone mention it.

Hello I'm kaladin wow it sure sucks to lift bridges those damn light borns I don't like them one bit. I miss my daaad
How can brandon fill up so many pages with so little?

>>9939046
I'm skeptical, Gemma sounds like a female name

>>9939131
Ebin

Sanderson ruined WoT.

Ok sffg, space opera me. I like it hard, but fluid.

I've already read Mote in God's eye, Blindsight, Rendezvous with Rama, Ring World, Crossfire, Coyote and Old Man's War. I read but didn't like the sequels to crossfire and coyote (I think one copied the other because they are very similar in a lot of ways, but mostly they build a nice world and then just, "you know, forget this, let's focus on politics and how it can ruins nice things"), and The Lost Fleet (it's just a dump of orbital maneuvers and the dialog SUCKED, the plot could have been good, which is sad).

did anyone read stone sky yet? I feel pretty meh about it, fifth season and obelisk gate were both much better.

>>9939131
your loss anon

>>9939025
easy on the carrots, bugs ;)

Vox Day's fantasy stuff is comfy as fuck.

Can we add "To Kill a God" to the recommendations?

>>9939208
Would u plz shut the fuck up

Is soft scifi the same as science fantasy?

>>9939325
Not quite.

>>9939325
There's no such thing as "soft" sci-fi.

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>>9939325

Imagine putting Conan The Barbarian on Mars. That's science fantasy, ERB's John Carter. Or writing about a King on planet Saturn, or a necromancer on Venus. It's just about transposing some fantasy elements with exotic secondary planet setting.

Soft SF is more like pic related.

>>9939039
Cease posting this. The actual plant one is funnier.

Gimme some hot elves. Bonus points for dark elves.

>>9939025
I need a good Space Opera

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>>9939678
Here.

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>>9939669
Tolkien?

>>9938358
lots of blindsight on goodreads, who's the author?

>>9939847
Peter Watts

>>9939167
A Fire Upon The Deep
Count to a Trillion
Night's Dawn ... although pretty soft
Xeelee...start with Vacuum Diagrams

Is Garth Nix's 'Keys to the Kingdom' actually a good series?

I remember liking it when i was a kid, but i never finished it

>>9939914
It was pretty damn good when I reread it. Nix manages to combine an imaginative isekai scenario with an "I wanna be normal" character without making him a tedious asshole, and the supporting characters were quite fun. The ending was very weird though. I'd say it peaked at book 4/5, but the ending wasn't bad.

Should I read an english translation of Battle Royale, or should I learn japanese?

>>9940089
Use google translate.

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For whatever reason, he is absolutely fixated on death, funereal imagery and scenes of decay, to a degree I haven't encountered hitherto; charnel houses and their worms, mausoleums, burial vaults, necropolises, mummification, torturers, necromancers, cannibals, cere-cloths, sarcophagi, lichens, fungus. CAS is your man if you like mordantly exotic morbidity, and he has an irresistibly surreal eye for monsters; somebody who can toss off a paragraph like this without it even being the climactic part of the story:

>In the wide intervals between the tables, the familiars of Namirrha and his other servants went to and fro incessantly, as if a fantasmagoria of ill dreams were embodied before the emperor. Kingly cadavers in robes of time-rotted brocade, with worms seething in their eye-pits, poured a blood-like wine into cups of the opalescent horn of unicorns. Lamias, trident-tailed, and four-breasted chimeras, came in with fuming platters lifted high by their brazen claws. Dog-headed devils, tongued with lolling flames, ran forward to offer themselves as ushers for the company. And before Zotulla and Obexah, there appeared a curious being with the full-fleshed lower limbs and hips of a great black woman and the clean-picked bones of some titanic ape from thereupward.

>>9939267
no, it's really not

>>9940293
>tips

>>9940089
The movie is better than the translation I read. The plot is slightly different but in a way I actually found less interesting. The book is more 'government be keeping us down, adults don't get it and are evil, pretty much 1984+violence+youth-angst' while the movie is more 'holy fucking shit how did we let our country get this bad everything is so fucked we're bad people'. The book doesn't have Takeshi Kitano's character running the show, instead it's some boring evil bureaucrat.

>>9939267
Wait that guy actually writes?

>>9940293
Have you even read his books? Everyone is so triggered by his political opinions that they trash his books without even picking them up. Goodreads is filled with one star reviews that review him as a person but not his prose.

>>9940471
>Goodreads
There's your problem.

>>9940471
He's a shit writer too. I didn't even know about his permavirgin blog and his prose was still rancid garbage.

>>9940556
lol nice try.

>>9939325
It depends? Soft scifi tends to be more like Star Trek in that it deals with, say, the ethical, religious and moral issues behind creating sentient robots. Or linguists talking to aliens. Many times it's simply an issue for the author to write a commentary on real-world social issues. The hard SF issues of how the characters travel the stars or power their laser guns never really matters.

Science fantasy on the other hand, that tends to be fantasy/pulp stories and plots with a scifi veneer. The Cyborg C0-N4N swinging his laser sword at the dastardly psyonic masters of the jungle planet Venus or so on.

>>9940556
Don't know about his fantasy, but I picked up that "Rebel Moon" book he did about ten years ago and it was total trash. Not a whiff of an original idea, the main hero is called "Dalton Starkiller" without a trace of irony, the rebels just invent a game-changing weapon halfway through for no reason, it didn't even have a proper ending. Probably tied with Ready Player One as the worst thing I've read.

>>9940629
His fantasy is top notch.

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Tried reading blindsight and wow it's just a bunch of nonsensical science terms strung together. Do people actually read this garbage or do they just pretend to because they think it makes them look smart?

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>>9940409
The movie is bizarrely tonally inconsistent though. It flipflops between being over-the-top dark humor and satire to taking itself 100% seriously.

>"MyFriend-chan has a crush on you!"
>"shut uuuup, no I don't!"
>both get shot
>mfw

>>9940659
Top kek fuck off back to your blog.

>>9940965
Please leave, reddit.

>>9940974
Stop shilling your shitty books you silly cocksucker.

>>9940965
>Book discussion not allowed
You leftists and your desire to silence everyone.

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>>9940289
You really trying to shill and make this author the next Gene Wolfe meme huh? It's possible. Took 2+ years of focred shilling (along with absolute aram) for Wolfe to be a constant meme. You could try your hand.

>>9941249
Gene Wolfe has always been very well regarded, you dumb slut.

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>>9941242
Cool your jets buddy. Just discuss whatever book you want and leave the politics at the door. Don't want to draw the attention of the mods upous now, do you?

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>>9941255
>slut
I wish. Also i was talking about plebs wanting to read his books. He was well regarded by authors, not readers. This general introduced so many people to Wolfe.

>>9941242
Shut up you schizoid loon.

Are there any other fantasy or sci-fi books like Hyperion where characters tell stylistically different stories?

>>9941376
Book of the New Sun

>>9939088
Don't pretend Jordan was ever better

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>>9941274
>M-mommy, they're discussing forbidden authors again!
It was good, admit it.

>>9941462
Take your medicine

Who wants to talk about Sanderson?

>>9941469
A response straight from the goon playbook, how dull. Well, for those of you who aren't SA stooges I recommend it.

Any fantasy with cute girls?

I know a lot of people here dislike Moorcock because his prose isn't great and he gave an only half-coherent criticism of Tolkien, but I still think he's a good storyteller, and creates interesting worlds with fascinating characters.

Plus he helped popularize the "new wave" of sci-fi along with people like Zelazny.

>>9941502

The fantasy and SF threads on SA are fucking weird places man

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>>9941477
I do. WHEN IS THE NEXT BOOK????

>>9941502
You really do suffer from persecution mania anon, don't you?

>>9941632
What is SA anyway?

>>9941719
somethingawful

>>9941721
Ah, right. From the "leftists are trying to censor muh shit books" thing I thought he might have meant Socialist Alternative.

Is there such a thing as Gothic SF?

>>9941730
40k duh

>>9941730
BotNS

What doesn't it do?

Since half life 3 is never going to happen.
What's the closest thing to that story in a book form?

>read solaris
>technobabble out the ass
>don't understand shit

>>9941753
>What doesn't it do?
Gay rape. Traps and boipucci

>>9941376

Dune, in the sense that you get to various characters' thoughts.

About to read Sabriel, what am I in for lads?

>>9941663
>You're delusional
>Bogeyman something something
>Nobody is out to get you
>Etc
Yeah, I know the routine. At some point you will misstype words and act as if that is brilliant and witty. I've seen it all before too many times, lad.

>>9941847
>Dune
Read a couple of them many years ago. Should give them a try again soon.
>in the sense that you get to various characters' thoughts.
Not what I asked for, but something I think is really important anyway. Vernor Vinge did this well in his "zones of thought" series.

>>9940800
Everyone who has read Watts knows he sometimes has trouble explaining things clearly, but calling those terms nonsensical is just false. If you don't want to imagine what the ship looks like you could just skim through the part.
People read Watts for his take on consciousness, free will and the unique aliens.

Why do so many people think other people read to pretend x?

>>9941847
I quite liked that, it's something you don't see much and it adds a lot of depth.

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>>9941872
Something pretty good and unique. The cover art is also excellent, at least it used to be.

>>9941921
Oh yeah, I definitely avoided the dumb YA Hunger Games covers they put out for that series.

>>9941955
It's like the concept of a cover that depicts the main character, important elements of the setting, and clues and foreshadowing about the plot, while establishing an aesthetic and mood is lost to time. Even among the old style covers, that one's great, it just fits so perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAJ73QerzzE

What are some fantasy books with badass elves like that instead of gay elves?

>>9939272
Look who's back

>>9941872
The only good series about necromancy you will most likely ever read

>>9942000
Drizzt.

who here has written something of his own? care to share an excerpt?

>>9942127
Skip everything that isn't the original trilogy though.

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>>9942127
*cough*

>>9939410

Gotta admit, I have precisely zero interest in engineering speculation my dude

Any love for Poul Anderson here? I'm reading The Broken Sword right now and loving it. I'm going to get to Three Hearts and Three Lions right after it.

>>9940936
It's definitely a weird movie
>She didn't have her period
>I checked
ok wat. But it actually is one of my favourite Movies. (Maybe I have the Yellow fever, because I also love Oldboy and a book called "Welcome to the NHK)

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Just finished this. I enjoyed it, but there was no reason for them to be goblins and elves. Felt like fantasy in name alone.

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>>9942177
Fuck off thief.

>>9940659

Have never heard of this guy, what book specifically do you recommend? I don't want to read anything with a protag named Dalton Starkiller, that's Jemison-tier

>>9942413
yeah because people also stole all shit posted in critique threads was stolen

Who else should I read if I like Zelazny and Moorcock? In particular, I like the law/chaos stuff, the kind of conflicted hero who loves excitement but kind of also wants to settle down and live a normal life, and a willingness to have lots of exciting passages and weird shit, and also slow down and let us see the characters just being people sometimes.

>>9939167
the dragon never sleeps

>>9942428
Just start reading Summa Elvetica and if you like the first story or two then keep reading. The version I have has all the prequel stories to the main Arts of Dark and Light novels. If you like it then finish it and move on to the main novels. Keep in mind I really do mean COMFY when describing his fantasy. He takes a much more thoughtful, fleshed out and catholic approach. It's like a Gene Wolfe for people who aren't quite ready for Gene Wolfe. I dig it so far. Very classical and refreshing compared to all the grimderp and pretentious fantasy that's all the rage.

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>>9942562

>>9941637
November

hey /sffg/ im writing a ya novel and im coming across some problems

>have a character who's supposed to swear a lot but because of the genre I have to do it without him finishing a word worse than crap
>same character is veering dangerously close to being the heroine's love interest but I want to avoid ya romance
>a scene im working on right now involves him attending to her injuries, but its kind of awkward to write about since a good 70% are on her legs and torso which basically amounts to a lot of uncomfortable nudity between characters who are too old for it not to have sexual undertones and too young for it to be tasteful. Even making light of it with a gag where he nearly has a panic attack over bare ankles (its historical fantasy) cant keep things lighthearted in the next scene where she wakes up two days later in a different set of clothes.

>>9942898
Have the gal feel awkward about it but the guy is matter-of-fact and professional.

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>>9942833
Can't come soon enough.

>>9942898
>writing a ya novel
that's your biggest problem

>>9942904
I was thinking of doing something like that where when she wakes up she's embarrassed but he stopped caring around the second time she wet herself in her sleep and now sees her an oversized toddler

>>9942898
>Even making light of it with a gag where he nearly has a panic attack over bare ankles
Sounds like night angel trilogy when the prince gets turned on by his tsundere wife's ankles, but not foreign girl's bare left breast. (At least I think it was night angel. Read so many books...)

>>9942918
Research some EMT stories. That should serve well as inspiration.

>[...]when she wakes up she's embarrassed but [...]
Depending on the injury, shock and pain might cause her to not care much at all except for "oh my god THE PAIN".

>>9942918
Might work, needs more inevitable tumblr-fodder tsundere ayy

>>9942934
Actually I have kind of glossed over the physical pain, I cared more about what would develop the characters than what would be realistic. The girl is kind of an autist so I guesd I could brush off the insensitivity to pain but you raise a good point

>>9942937
If anything HE's the tsundere, not her

>>9942956
Exactly, pepper in exactly one off-handed tsundere wording with maybe one ambiguous gesture in a later date so they can pour over it
Fan that fandom man

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>>9942306
I really like some of his short stories. Highly recommend Call Me Joe. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6146179-the-collected-short-works-of-poul-anderson-volume-1

>>9942956
>Actually I have kind of glossed over the physical pain
That should be your main focus if realism and avoidance of lewdness or awkwardness is what you want. I mean, if you were in a car crash and got fucked up royally, would you care if you regained a bit of consciousness in the ambulance and some guy or gal was pressing his fingers hard into your groin to stop you from bleeding out through your femoral artery?

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So speaking of sci-fi, what do y'all think about that Half-Life: Episode 3 posting?

>ctrl + f malazan
>0 results
guys
wtf

>>9943089
It's shit.

>>9943022
I'd say it's consistent with what Ladlaw wrote for the other HL games, the same sort of "good job, your efforts were futile, but the resistance continues elsewhere." Nothing really surprising there.

Too bad Valve is more interested in just selling games and DOTA hats these days.

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Post your favorite "fantasy" music, lads
These take me away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvW-QTiZLQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9NOV3KNpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9nZbZfWQoI

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>>9943141
Yeah I prefer that too instead of
>this super-advanced civilization was destroyed thanks to tiny humans hitting the weak point for massive damage

Avarice consumes all, especially that fat sack of selfish shit Gabe.

>>9943144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQgfaB3S1c

>>9939669
>tfw no super cute gooey fantasy romance about twink elves falling in love and talking about their feelings a lot while on forest patrol

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>>9941886
Stay on the offensive, Anon. Leftists will never give up and neither should you.

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>>9942306
The High Crusade is probably my favorite of his science fiction novels, it's a fun read with a good sense of humor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Crusade

>>9943193
>yfw marxist shits would say it sucks because it's not believable

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>>9943178
What I dislike most about leftists is their insincerity, they can never argue in good faith. That is if they're willing to pretend to discuss anything with you in the first place, they're quite adverse to debate and questioning.
>>9943193
This looks interesting.

>>9943255
What does Marxism have to do with needing stories to be believable? I'm not a Marxist, but you realize China Mieville is, right? The guy who writes stories about cities on trains and a magical researcher whose girlfriend has a beetle for a head?

>>9942898
>have a character who's supposed to swear a lot but because of the genre I have to do it without him finishing a word worse than crap
America lmao

>>9943144
>>9943156
>>>/mu/

Any good fantasy with a feel similar to the new Twin Peaks? Preferably not set in modern times; urban fantasy annoys me.

>>9943283
>What I dislike most about leftists is their insincerity, they can never argue in good faith.
Maybe you don't deserve any.

SO I just finished all of the fitz and the fool.

Damn Im wasted. I need something to pull me out of this sadness episode.

Man, the flowcharts and shit in the OP need updating. It recs YA without identifying it as such. This isn't /r/fantasy where people sniff their own farts while discussing the newest book written for middle schoolers.

>>9943668
The flowcharts are from reddit and NPR, not here. Anons just keep posting them from inertia or whatever.

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>>9943631
It's not about what anyone deserves but a lack of ability to engage. This is why leftists are so quick to shut down conversations they don't want to have, hear or even have others hear, they've become reliant on not having to face up to their bullshit. As can be seen in your post. This intellectual impotence of the left is not healthy for anyone in the long run.

>>9943417
It's because they're snowflakes who can't handle different opinions.

>>9943668
>This isn't /r/fantasy where people sniff their own farts while discussing the newest book written for middle schoolers.

Yeah here we sniff our own farts while discussing the newest pulp trash instead while a speaker repeats the words "GENE WOLFE" on a loop in the background so we feel smart.

>>9943685
Yes, unlike your detailed and exhaustive reply to the criticism laid out here:
>>9940629
The reason why you didn't reply to him is because you aren't really interested in having a discussion with someone who has a different opinion, as you're pretending. You're probably not really interested in Vox Day either. All you're looking for is a reply that will give you a pretext to start shitting on anything left of center.
You don't get good faith because you don't give any.

Who's your favourite leftist sffg author? For me, its Iain M Banks

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>>9943685
>>9943631
>leftists are so quick to shut down conversations they don't want to have, hear or even have others hear
Guess I'm a "leftist" then. Because this shit sure don't belong in sffg

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>>9943705
>You're probably not really interested in Vox Day either.
You're wrong, I like his Arts of Dark and Light series.
>unlike your detailed and exhaustive reply to the criticism laid out here
Well, I've never read Rebel Moon.
>All you're looking for is a reply that will give you a pretext to start shitting on anything left of center.
I hardly need a pretext to shit on the left and there are appropriate boards and forums to do so. The only reason you see it as a provocation is because you've spent some of your two minutes hate sessions on the author. Will Lovecraft too become a person who must not be mentioned in due time?

>>9943745
Why do all righties into sff speak so pompously? Wright and Day also do this. Normal righties at least speak like real human beans.

>>9942898

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Just finished reading the Gormenghast books, they were pretty interesting. I didn't like the last book as much though.

>>9943777

What was the point of wasting those trips

>>9941477
>>9941637
Speaking of Sanderson, I game a hardcover copy of The Way of Kings and my page 352 goes over to page 321. Then from 321 it is literally 30 extra pages all the way back to 352 before it continues on. Is this shit a known issue? Cause when it loops back to 352 it has a massive hole in the first page of this chapter

>>9943877
Oh yeah? How about we duke it out irl, Jemisin? You and me, man to savage. You may be built like an obese gorilla but I could still take you out. Let's settle this once and for all.

>>9939709

>children
>talking dogs
>cute wheelchair bound molluscs

He said space opera not space sitcom. The best feature about vinge is he's apparently a PHD in comp sci so he at least bothers to portray asynchronous network protocols and such. He tries.

Is The Inheritance Trilogy worth reading?
What about R. A. Salvatore?
I liked the lore in Kingdoms of Amalur
>tfw never ever Amalur 2

>>9943938
What edition/printing? I've got a first edition and I've never read it (it was a gift back when it came out) but I don't see any page replication for 352 and 321.

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Hmmmmm........
I hope it airs out ok so's I can read it.

>>9943960
>yfw Rhode Island's economy was nearly destroyed by a former baseball player's attempt to make a World of Warcraft clone

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>>9943978

>>9943992
Stop oppressing books with your numeronormative expectations, the pages can come in any order they want and as many times they want, bigot. With Tor you always get vibrant and diverse books.

>>9943992
You've got a 8th edition, so yeah probably a production error that crept in along the line. If you bought it recently return it for a replacement, or maybe try either contacting Tor for a replacement. I believe some major book chains will also replace misprints, since they destroy the book and the publisher reimburses them.

It probably doesn't add any specific value to it though, I wouldn't go to the trouble of trying to get it signed or anything.

>>9943756
Can't speak for Day because I've never read him but Wright is a giant Chesterton fan and his whole life seems to be an ongoing attempt at becoming him. Have you seen how he dresses, his writing is nothing next to that.

>>9944042
Note though that if it's a misprinted first edition there's still the value of a first edition, just somewhat less due to the flaw. Misprints increasing the value of a book is somewhat rare, like say it's a first edition of a print run where there are few collector-grade copies on the market, which makes it a rarity among rarities. Or it was a minor error that was only in the very first few hundred/thousand books before being corrected.

Any good urban fantasy?

Doesn't even need to be that good just something that isn't for edge lords or teenage girls?

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Oi oj oy
Six books, six things, and so I will read.
But where to begin?

>There's also Sanderson and Erikson
>Or even this "Blood Song" by Anthony Ryan
>Or that Mark Lawrence guy

Point is I've not read anything by anyone listed in this post.
>I've played Witcher games, so should I start with The Last Wish? (Or, Sword of Destiny, perhaps?)

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>>9944140
Or perhaps.
THIS
Is what I should read!

>>9944140
Go with Sabriel, it's really good. But GOD that new cover is fucking vile.

>>9944170
Sabriel seems to be "YA"
That gives it a low starting interest.

>>9944130
Neverwhere.

>>9944194
Garth Nix is solid. YA effectively means nothing when hings like "Prince of Thorns" are published as "mature novels".

>>9943685
>FUCKING LEFTIES REEEE
>why won't lefty shits talk to me in a civilized manner

You are retarded.

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>>9944140
>reading the Inheritance trilogy
Stick to the Broken Earth and Dreamblood. Inheritance was pretty bad in general and not just the futa. The sun god was an unlikeable dickhead and the dark god was the typical 2edgy4me long haired shounen antagonist and by the time it finally found its feet, all the interesting plot was already over.

Always thought that Keys > Abhorsen but it's an unpopular opinion. Clariel and Goldenhand were also shite compared to the original trilogy.

Ryan's Blood Song felt terribly derivative with a training arc of doom and according to other readers he shits the bed even harder later in the series.

Please report back on the other novels.

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>>9943939
Go to bed Stevian.

>>9944212
I just have a prejudice against teenage protagonists.

>>9944140
Age of Myth, definitely.

>>9944220
Nice book!

>>9944232
DELET THIS IMMEDIATELY

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>>9944216
What about starting from the beginning?
(Apart from: "With the Greeks")

>>9944229
It and Malice are the ones that draw me the most.

>>9943417
>What does Marxism have to do with needing stories to be believable?
Because marxists saying sci-fi should be believable is what almost killed the genre.

>>9943693
Nice projection, princess.

>>9944264
You are the kind of fellow that blames Marxists when he notices the toilet paper he uses is a bit rougher than before. And you probably don't even know what a Marxist is.

>>9944277
t. marxist

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What am I in for, /sffg/? I don't read much fantasy, but someone told me these books were worth it.

>>9941598
>Plus he helped popularize the "new wave" of sci-fi along with people like Zelazny.
Zelazny was infinitely better than Moorcock and it's a crime he's not better known.

>>9942000
The Witcher. Isengrim takes awhile to show up but he's a badass.

>>9942177
I've only written deviant porn and you can't have it.

>>9942898
People bedridden for injuries are very unsexy actually. Not a problem.

>>9943713
>Who's your favourite leftist sffg author?
Almost all sffg authors are leftists so this is a dumb question.

>>9944140
>>I've played Witcher games, so should I start with The Last Wish? (Or, Sword of Destiny, perhaps?)
You start with Last Wish. Why would you not read them in order? The only excuse is the english publisher fucked it up but if you know the original order, read them in sequence. Last Wish>Sword of Destiny>Blood of Elves>Time of Contempt>Baptism of Fire>Tower of the Swallow>Lady of the Lake

>>9944430
>What am I in for, /sffg/? I don't read much fantasy, but someone told me these books were worth it.
Weird "anachronisms" that will likely disorient you (fantasy world that nonetheless has pretty good knowledge of the biological sciences, plus fairly modern political institutions despite being iron aged); a gimmick that was innovative in soviet sattelite Poland but kind of stale today (fairy tales but now realistic and with a dark twist), and a really uneven translation.

I really liked the series nonetheless. It's kind of hard to compare it to anything. A lot of it is tied up in the Polish experience of the 20th century despite the fantasy setting. I'm not sure it's the fantasy book for people that don't like fantasy but your friend presumably knows your tastes better than I.

Note that much of the Last Wish was originally independently published short stories that were only combined with a thin overarching plot years after being written. As such there's some plot elements that get heavily retconned with the following book if you continue to Sword of Destiny.

Also Geralt is kind of a whiny autist which is probably not the impression the games would give you.

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>>9944140
You want a readfag's opinion?
Don't touch age of myth (read the Riyria books in publication order, if you like those THEN read the age of myth books)
I never read malice (looked too romancey to me)
Blood song was great, lord tower was a drop in quality, and Queen of fire shit the bed with uncontrollable diarrhea.
Prince of thorns was okay-ish. It had it's shitty parts though (been years since I read it, can't remember what was so bad... probably repressed)
I recommend Sanderson, Erickson, and The Witcher books in publication order(it had this old fae mythos going, and the prose was enjoyable).
I also enjoyed the inheritance trilogy (some people here say it's too anime), you should read her Broken Earth trilogy too (fuck dreamblood).
Read the Abhorsen trilogy and pretend the other books don't exist.

If you want, peep my chart and see if something tickles your fancy. Green by Jay Lake was enjoyable for me, No one ever in sffg's read it but me, so you can make that a club of two(also the author is dead, so according to lit this makes the work 100x better).

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Who's your favorite anime writer?
Mine is Sanders.

>>9944130
John C. Wright's new Arthurian Legend thing might be what you're after.

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>Erickson got the idea for the Crippled God from the ending of Solaris
Really makes you think. I wonder what other little pieces inspired authors.

>>9943089
Do we really have to have the exact same conversations about the exact same books every single thread?

I know that both GRRM and Moorcock get shit on around here, for overlapping but different reasons, but I also know they have their fans, and people who recognize the flaws of their work and like them nonetheless.

So, with that in mind, I think Azor Ahai is meant to be an aspect of Moorcock's Eternal Champion.

>was known as Eldric Stormchaser and Hyrkoon the Hero, and wield a sword called Lightbringer
>Elric's sword is called Stormbringer, and his cousin's name is Yrkoon, literally one letter from Hyrkoon
Also
>in Game of Thrones s03e02 when Joffrey asks the crowd what he should call his sword, someone yells "Stormbringer!"
Also
>Elric was the last emperor of a declining empire that used dragons in battle, where brothers and sisters marrying to continue the royal line wasn't unheard of
>the Eternal Champion is born again and again, to bring balance between Law and Chaos by fighting for one side or the other

What does this mean for the end of the series?

>>9944897
I think the Elric references, while real, are pretty much just an homage. ASOIAF just doesn't share the cosmology/theology of the Eternal Champion universe.

>>9944234
>>9944234
>It and Malice are the ones that draw me the most.

The Faithful and the Fallen books are pretty basic bitch if you've read a few fantasy books.

Everything that happens is obvious, every cliche in the book and one of the most retarded romances I have read. And the pacing is horrendous.

The protagonist is tortured, comes face to face with the enemy of man, comes to the realization he is the chosen one and man's fate depends upon him, he also becomes the leader of the best fighters in the world and the only thing he can think about is the love interest kissing him

I had to put the book down at this stage it was so retarded. The other relationships aren't much better.

I finished it anyway since I never really drop a series once I have started but it wasn't worth it.

Do >we still hate Pratchett and Adams?

>>9944897
>>9944916
Another homage I don't think many people have picked up on. GRRM named his spymaster character 'The Spider'. Gene Wolfe's spymaster in Book of the Long Sun is named 'Spider'. Could be a coincidence but considering Wolfe and GRRM are acquainted and GRRM seems to respect his work quite strongly it seems unlikely.

>>9944925
They don't really even get mentioned. I found Hitchhiker's Guide pretty unimpressive when I was 15 though.

>>9944935
I'm breezing through Discworld tebehe. Immensely readable, funny and actually excellent fantasy writing. Hitchhiker's kinda lost steam by the 5th book.

>>9944851
He is like the other retard who pretends to have "just finished Name of the Wind", and slightly praises it, in hopes that some person that got burnt by the novels would bite his bait. Just so he can discuss the only book he ever read.

Any good detective-style fantasy that's not "urban" fantasy?

>>9944897
>in Game of Thrones s03e02
>end of the series
You tv fags really need to stay in your containment board. There are no cunnies in here. Shoo.

>>9944925
Does Adam's first name start with Terry? Then yes, if not, no. We only dislike authors with the name Terry, because it's a proven fact that they are horrible writers.

>>9944985
Cabal the necromancer
Shades of Grey
Library at mount char
something more than night

What's the best fantasy series if all I want is loads of gore and rape?

>>9945017
Black Company
Conan
Asoiaf(I think)

>>9944584
>Modern Fantasy Recs V2.jpg
>includes scifi recs
>doesn't include Blindsight
you had one job whoever made that chart, one fucking job

I don't see anyone discussing my own fantasy series.

>Tfw at least a year until the next Sufficiently Advanced Magic book

>>9945017
Prince of Nothing. Child rape on page 3.

>>9944584
>Womameme authors in your shitty recs
Eat shit your recs suck and so does your opinion

>>9945030
Any GRI in it?

>>9939088
REEEEEEEEE IT'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WE'RE GETTING TO KNOW HIS THOUGHTS IN DEPTH FUCK YOU

>>9939136
>being wrong

>>9944987
I mentioned the show because it supports what I was saying. It's a book series as well as shows. I don't know if you realize that.

>>9945057
Women can write too, anon

>>9945083
lol

>>9945021
>blindmeme shill
You fags pushed it too far. I'm never reading that book. I probably would have in time, but your incessant shilling has turned me away. I will from now on, anti-shill those books.

>>9945116
>not wanting to read the best scifi in recent history
your loss bud

>>9945049
>he will then come and say "I was only pretending" when he comes here to rage about nonexistent persons recommending him the books in sffg, only to remember that recommended it himself, and no one speaks of it but him
It's like clockwork

I've finished reading the first Dune and I found it to be pretty great. What about the other Dune books? I plan to read Dune Messiah and Children of Dune in any case.

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>>9945078
>I don't know if you realize that.
I don't know if you realize that the show has no bearing on the books except who sits on the throne in the end. Because GURM told them that. Other than that, the series is it's own creature.

I will say this again
>no abatap, cunnies, eternals, or Pickles here
>shooo

>>9945121
>best scifi in recent history
You mean roadside picnic ? Or Stranger in a strange land?

>>9945122
What? I liked the first book, I want more

>>9944897
>What does this mean for the end of the series?
Nothing, the series will never be finished.

>>9944897
>>9944916
How has Moorcock not tried to sue GRRM yet over this like he did with Sapkowski?

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>>9945017
Second Apocalypse. Child rape in the prologue, first fourth of the latest book is filled with necrophilia and cannibalism.

>>9945020
>Asoiaf(I think)
It's way less gorey and rapey than the show. It's a lightweight in GRI terms.

Is there ANY good urban fantasy?

I have searched for years upon years and found none.

I'm interested in werewolves pls no bully but it's ALL garbage.

Send help.

>>9945140
>Because GURM told them that.
What makes you think they care?

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>>9945140
>>no abatap, cunnies, eternals, or Pickles here
there are, however, big guys

>>9945176
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolfen

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help me nerds of /lit/
a while ago some guy on /tg/ recommended a sci-fi novel that I forgot the name of.
It was about some kind of alien that could only live on the equator of a planet and look straight forward (and backward?) kinda like 2D. Because I think big gravity or black holes or something sucked and warped everything on both sides so you could only walk back and forth. So his life was essentially 2D. He had a smaller creature living in his head he could talk to, I think.
It was a very "mind-fucky" book that with a lot of strange stuff involving perspective and stuff.

Anyone know what Im talking about?

>>9945185
Pretty good film too.

>>9945189
Damn, never knew they made a movie out of it. I read the book translated to my native language ~15 years ago.

>>9945188
sounds to me like blindsight

>>9945214
I think he died if he looked to the side, since he would be totally warped. He could only walk in a ring around the planet. It was only through the perspective of the alien, no humans.

>>9945224
>>9945224
Yes, that's Boku no Blindsight, by Peter Watts.

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>>9945124
It's great up until God Emperor of Dune, after that it declines and it ends with a cliffhanger. Pic related is fairly accurate.

>>9945230
>>9945214
When I read the plot of that book in wikipedia it doesnt really sound like that at all?Are you sure?

Is Dalinar genuinely autistic?

>>9945124
This post >>9945235 is accurate. I reading Children is pointless if you don't plan on reading God Emperor. Post-God Emperor books are pretty meh and you don't get any real resolution.

>>9945250
More like Renarin

>>9945235
Messiah > Dune > Children > God Emperor > Chapter House > Heretics > taking a leak on Leto 1's cranium inside his tomb > grabbing Stilgar's wife's ass in front of him > whatever his son wrote

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What are good books to read during an acid trip?

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>>9945237
You are looking for Dichronauts by Greg Egan.

>>9945188
Dichronauts by Greg Egan?

>>9945260
"Why do they care about fashion and tradition why aren't they being obsessively pragmatic about war at the cost of everything their culture stands for! These duels are dumb why do people like them hurr durr." It's like you have to be such a soul dead robot to be ethical that the other alethkar nobility come off as the lesser evil

>>9945272
Whatever has the prettiest font.

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>>9945276
>>9945275
yes, thank you boys

>>9945125
>Fire touched
>Paw tattoo above pussy
You just KNOW

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>>9939025
A big thank you to you anons from /lit/ for recommending this book to me. It was a jackpot and I wrote just about 2 lines of text about what I wish to read. It was definitely among the best books I've ever read if not the best.
Anyone got something else that is just as good or even better?

>>9945299
Thousand Fold thought is better. Keep reading.

>>9945020
>>9945056
>>9945169
Okay, now which of these are worth reading? Besides ASoIAF

And what is GRI?

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>>9945272

>>9945284
I thought you were saying legit autism kek (which makes me really sorry for Renarin, actually, hopefully his Shardblade will unfuck him up a bit)
Dalinar just needs a good pussy, it definitely shows in his demeanor pre and pos banging that lady I don't remember the name. But seeing his Shardblade, it's better to just get used to his holier-than-thou attitude now man.

>>9945314
An acronym that represents the acid test of all sffg kino: Gay, Rape, and Incest. Many bad books lack those traits. Many bad books have also have them. But no truly great sffg book doesn't have them.

>>9945314
Second Apocalypse and Prince of Nothing are the same thing. Prince of Nothing is just the first series in the Second Apocalypse saga. It begins with this book: >>9945299

>>9943960
I found the lore kind of meh, there wasn't even a codex to record characters and events so I didn't really get into it.
It was a ridiculously fun game though and the fact it did meh and won't have a sequel is saddening

>>9945140
He wrote that episode himself.

Are these writers good or bad: Erikson, Matthew Stover, Mark Lawrence, Abercrombie

>>9945125
>Mercy

This is one of my major red flags. Female protag at all, but especially one named
>Mercy
>Prudence
>Justice
>Honour

Etc.

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>>9945330
>it did meh
It almost bankrupted the state of Rhode Island. 'Meh' is a huge understatement. It was even originally meant to be an MMO but--as easily seen--was scraped the fuck down.

>>9945313
I finished the whole series including first 2 books from the second part.
And agreed. The Thousandfold Thought was the best. The philosophical monologues from Kellhus directed at Achamian were my favourite,

>>9945275
what you reading cosmerefag?
How's uni?

>>9945320
There's no incest in Dune. Also, no rape. And the only gay dude is the Baron.

>>9945336
>Faith
>Fate
>Melody

>>9945339
>I finished the whole series including first 2 books from the second part.
Read The Gri Ordeal and Unholy Consult too.

>>9945345
As long as one of those is present the conditions are satisfied.

>>9945317
An inability to understand social norms and socially integrate are indeed signs of autism. So it having a spazz from storms

>>9945345
Just goes to show you didn't read the books. The baron performed gri on a certain boy.

>tfw no one answers your question

>>9945368
I don't know

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>>9945344
I just finished Axiomatic by Greg Egan and now I am reading a novella by him called "The Four Thousand, The Eight Hundred". I am only three chapters in so I cannot tell if it is any good. I have two of his other short story collections next up and I am hoping they match up to Axiomatic.
I am exceedingly fortunate to have a group of tight-knit, non-judgmental adults I can communicate with in my graduate department and my life would be full of much more darkness if it were not for them lighting my way.

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>>9945348
I'm a poorfag from Poland so it will be hard for me to get those anytime soon. I can't find any torrents containing those.

Any sci fi or fantasy written by traps for traps?

>>9945347

They're basically all just codewords for "Mary Sue incoming", with the obvious exception of Puritan characters in historical fiction because they actually did name girls "Chastity" and "Faith" and so forth

>>9945379
libgen.io my man

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>>9945379
>>9945440
Also b-ok.org and you need to get yourself a bibliotik account, my dude.

>>9945360
If you mean the boy that Feyd Rautha had booby trapped, he only killed him. Remind me of one instance of rape. Incest was only hinted at between Alia and Paul in Messiah(by the Bene Gesserit) and the Leto/Ghanima marriage was a formality. So show me.

>>9945272
Where's Waldo

>>9945352
I agree with you on symptoms, but it's a stretch regarding Dalinar (compare with Renarin sperging the hell out of that fight and progressively unraveling until we see it might be his Shardblade for a cleaner portrait of social anxiety/high-functioning aspergers). Dalinar understands the social norms well and integrates when it suits him, so my tally is him being a self-serving dick at most.

I can read the shadow of the torturer without having read any other gene wolfe right?

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>>9945445
>>9945440
>mfw

>>9945472
Yes

What book eill make me feel something?

>>9945567
If little girls suffering makes you feel things, try the Broken Earth series.

>>9945581
Only if I'm the little girl in question.

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>>9945567
What do you want to feel?

>>9945593
Wonderment? Anything is fine I guess, I just haven't felt invested in a fantasy for so long

>>9945593
old school scifi was based as fuck

>>9945599
The King of Elfland's Daughter.

>>9945622
Thanks it's on the list and you're off it.

>>9945391

I'm working on a post-apocalyptic mad max-style setting following the adventures of a Conan the Barbarian style Chad and his cute girl (male) sidekick/fuckbuddy as the MC. Should be worthy of a GRI seal of approval but I'm worried that it's riding the line between fapfic and sff novel, leading to neither audience being satisfied (too much graphic sex for novel readers, too much story telling for chronic masturbators). Also doing a degenerate neo-southern dialect and deeply goncerned about veering into "as I lay dying" realm of incomprehensibility, although my phonetic British accents have been rated well by my extremely limited audience in the past.

I'm not actually aware of any trap writers at all, I think there might be some deranged and untalented tranny authors but I haven't read them. Byron and Wilde are the only non-straight authors I've ever liked

>>9945272

A large aquarium with lots of plants and animals in it

>>9945684
>too much story telling for chronic masturbators
Not sure that's a thing.

>>9945684
>deranged and untalented
Don't be mean

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>get this
>fuck, fuck, fucking, fuck, piss, fuck, piss, fuck, fucking
This shit reads like a teenager wrote it.

>>9945778
God I hate Scalzi

Does someone have a Cyberpunk Literature chart or can recommend me some Cyberpunk books?

Are first edition books difficult to obtain? Are they just more of a collector's item for being a small print run until 2nd edition or what's up?

I liked Accelerando.

Are there other books by Charles Stross that are worth reading?

>>9945684
I never knew I wanted this.

>>9945786
Neuromancer is possibly the book that starts cyberpunk as we know it today and the most recommended.

>>9944569
>Also Geralt is kind of a whiny autist which is probably not the impression the games would give you.
Geralt said "Fine", disgruntledly, every fucking quest in W3.

>>9945871
And it's not very good. The first few chapters are some of the best SF you will ever read. Then the quality drops. As soon as they leave Japan it's like a different book.

>>9944569
>Also Geralt is kind of a whiny autist which is probably not the impression the games would give you.
Have you played them. He's not the gruff tough guy the marketing shows

>>9945730

I mean people who are one step removed from CWC and basically just use lipstick and long hair to cash in on pitybucks. When I'm reading LBGTBPQQI++AP lit I prefer to either not even know which letter(s) you affiliate with, or to see that you have a good sense of humour about it, hence Byron and Wilde.

>>9945778

Is it more cringy to overuse contemporary swear-words, or to make up nücuss words like "Frak"?

>>9945887
Anon should follow up with Snowcrash. Sure it's terrible, but at least it's fun to read.

>>9945911
>Sure it's terrible, but at least it's fun to read.
mutually exclusive for anything but pseuds.

>>9945938
Are you lost?

>>9945730
It is a mental illness, anon.

>>9945782
Old Man's War was the most cringey thing I've read in a long time. That fucking scene with the sergeant and the tattoo, holy shit.

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>>9945904
>I mean people who are one step removed from CWC
CWC isn't actually trans though. Even if he was it doesn't constitute a correlation between cwc types and transgender people. MTF and FTM people are usually just normal people that have a problem to deal with.

>>9945621
They had to find a way for little boys to buy the book somehow.

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>>9945965
>that pic

saved

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>>9945965
>MTF and FTM people are usually just normal people
They're mentally ill people with way too much political power.

>>9945993
>with way too much political power.
there are people out there who actually believe this

>>9945965
haha, good meme indeed

>>9945993
>with way too much political power.
again, not every transperson is a political activist, or associates with lgbt. you just don't see them because they try not to be noticed. because, you know, that's the entire point of transition, to transition to the other gender, not to stand out like some kinda freak.
you know most transpeople don't support things like the pronoun laws in canada right? it's just cis politicians virtue signalling.

>>9945993
>>9945999
SHUT
THE FUCK
UUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPP
this is the science fiction and fantasy general, go somewhere else for political shit

>>9945965
>>9945993

I wasn't shitting on all trannies, I've known plenty, just seems like the nicest ones are the most likely to keep quiet and the turds are the ones most likely to leap out in front of the cameras, if there's some writers out there who break the trend I'd like to check them out. Not interested in "420ch/tg/: The Novel" though

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I need some thinking birds! The closest I got was Revelation Space, but it didn't count because they were all kill from the beginning and they couldn't fly in the first place.

In exchange, I offer some thinking arthropods. Pretty fun ride. Children of Time. I didn't finish it yet but so far so good. All I wanted in one place: hard sci-fi, voyage through the stars, colonization, contact and some giant bugs as a side-dish.

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>>9945987
They seem to not want teenage boys to read these days for some reason.

>>9946004
Just report

>>9946014
Reading is for women.

>>9946024
This.

>>9946009
I really need to read that one, sounds like it's right up my alley and from what I've heard it's pretty good.

>>9945999
Because it's true. The gay mafia has too much power.
>>9946002
Even disregarding the politics, not treating it as a mental illness is a mistake. You can't "transition" into something else, we don't cut off the limbs of people with that other body dysphoria illness so we shouldn't fuck people's hormones and mutilate their junk just because they feel like it.

I need some positive, uplifting sci-fi. None of that humanity sucks and we're all doomed shit.

>>9946024
It's a shame they can't write and only read garbage, otherwise I'd be fine with womanmemes taking over literature.

>>9945964
I think the very beginning was okay

>>9945263
>his son
I'm sure it's all KJA's work and Brian just puts his name on it so that it'll sell more.

>>9946034
>not treating it as a mental illness is a mistake
Totally depends. It is certainly a disorder of some kind, but does it it actually serve a purpose to ostracize people with it? the only dysfunctional aspect is gender dysphoria. Which is distinctly different from dysmorphia, as transition actually does treat it and significantly improve living conditions in pretty much every way on average. A medical practitioner should focus on the well-being of their patients, it's the case that transition is considered the only treatment that improves the well-being of dysphoric patients.
And why shouldn't we mutilate people just because they feel like it? are you an authoritarian? People should have 100% control over their own bodies in my opinion, but I guess that's just political ideology. controlling what people should want and think is pretty sjw.

>>9946039
>womanmemes
it's womamemes, bitch

>>9946039
>and only read garbage
Women just read more period. Yes, they read more garbage, but their reading majority is so overwhelming that they also read more good stuff at the same time.

>>9946056
I thought it was womemes

>>9946066
>>9946056
it's actually "bad meme kys"

>>9946009
>>9946033
It's pretty good. Really gets the almonds going.

I am serious about the thinking birds, though. Gimme.

>>9946071
I'm reading To the Lighthouse, by Virgina Woolf
And I had no fucking idea wtf was going on or who was in POV until page 35 or something.
At least I can't stop turning the page, got some real nice prose here and there desu.

https://pastebin.com/dfKnMyai

Looking for some advice on my outline for my novel that I'm writing.

>>9946094
>immediately
>“active” soul > "active soul" or > AN "active" soul"
>for magic BY regular mortal mages
>Woda
WHO?
>transferring part
"parts" or "a part"
>For mortal mages magic comes
What? Do you mean the mage'S magic?
>Divine Souls are able to control all forms of energy, not just gal, in larger quantities.
I would say "can" instead of "are able to"

>When a human is given a divine soul (a demigod) for all it’s advantages it also comes with disadvantages. Having part of a divine soul means speaking the language of the divine, it makes the demigod unable to communicate with those who are fully mortal. These demigods are also now a part of both the mortal world and the divine world, while they are stronger than all who are mortal they are now on the playing field of the divine, of which they are the weakest.
Looks fine, if you write everything on par with this paragraph, then it could be interesting.

>Sea Wizards are forbidden from entering land or seeing land, the more time they spend on the sea the more powerful they get.
So constantly powering up? I mean they're "always" at sea.

Then I stopped.

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>>9946054
>but does it it actually serve a purpose to ostracize people with it?
No, I don't ostrich anyone. I just think psychological problems should be dealt with as what they are. And chopping people up doesn't fix anything, the suicide rates are the same but slightly higher.
>And why shouldn't we mutilate people just because they feel like it?
Pretty sure you're just trolling now.

I need some fantasy with knights and dragons and magic

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>>9946094
>5 books already planned

>>9946143
>The Red Knight.
>Children of Hurin.
>The Waking Fire.

>>9944584
>Riyria books
How to start?
Chronologically or Publication order?

>>9946143
Sufficiently Advanced Magic

>>9946134
>And chopping people up doesn't fix anything, the suicide rates are the same but slightly higher.
I fthey don't transition then they're spending their lives feeling trapped as someone else, and if they do transition they're pretty much shunned. It's not really a mystery why the suicide rates stay the same.

>>9946162
Ignore this anon.

>>9946157
>The Red Knight
is that GRI approved now?

>>9946134
>the suicide rates are the same but slightly higher.
source me on that senpai.