What are your opinions on the "hard problem" of consciousness as outlined by David Chalmers? Does it exist, or is it a bullshit attempt to bring dualism into the 21st century?
Note that what's being discussed here is any and all forms of subjectivity, not human consciousness vs. animal consciousness or anything like that.
Posted this on /sci/ earlier and didn't get any really novel answers, so I'm trying here.
>>8835465
ugly
opinion dismissed
>>8835465
it's a probably genuine problem
and if the p-zombies thought experiment works in the way that it needs to in order to show that the hard problem is in fact a problem, epiphenomenalism is true
that is, if it's conceivable that there could exist people just like us but lacking qualitative expereince, these people should still talk about qualitative experience--or they aren't like us. Since we have no reason to think that talking about qualitative experience is the only outward expression of qualitative experience--what about laughing, crying, etc--if p. zombies are to exist, they must talk about qualitative experience.
from this a disjunction follows: because the putative connection between talk of qualitative experiences and qualitative experiences themselves isn't there, since beings without qualitative experiences can talk about qualitative experiences, either qualitative experiences doesn't exist or else they exist but have no connection to our talk of them, and thus to the way we act. and qualitative experiences clearly do exist--p zombies aren't us--so we should conclude that qualitative experiences don't impact the way we act or the things we say; if p-zombies make sense, epiphenomenalism is true.
if they don't, then there is no hard problem.
the truth of epiphenomenalism, in practical terms, means that the hard problem is going to be very hard to solve; we have a phenomenon that has no necessary connection to anything we can see--so how can we learn about it?
>>8835472
Refreshing honesty
It's been too long since I've posted on this board
I became an avid reader like three months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time on 4chan anymore.
Here's how I did it.
-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person
-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure
-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult book or one that makes me sleepy I grab another and switch. This should refresh your head. Keep them thematically different. I read economics and fiction.
-It isn't a race. Reading slowly won't make you sleepy that fast. Try to acknowledge what books are for you to read fast and which aren't.
-Buy the physical copies. When you get the books from your own money you'll feel the need to read them to avoid the feel of wasting your money.
-Start with books highly discussed here so you feel motivated to discuss.
>>8835433
mods pls sticky this
>>8835433
>this pasta again
I became an avid book like three months ago and I can't stop. TV stopped watching me and he doesn't spend much time on 4chan anymore.
Here's how I did it.
-Remember the average book reads like zero people a year. If a book reads 5 people a day, you have 5 oranges
-Don't read yourself to force. Commit to be read 5 pages a year. I swear after three months you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a decade for pleasure
-Read various times at the same book. When a difficult book grabs me or one that makes me sleepy it grabs another and switches. This should refresh their head. Keep them thematically different. It reads economics and fiction.
-It races a be. Sleeping slowly won't make you read that fast. Acknowledge to try what your are for books to read fast and what you aren't.
-The physical copies buy you. When the books get you from their own money they'll feel the need to read them to avoid the feel of wasting their money.
-Discuss with humans highly started here so they'll feel motivated to discuss.
Any other good books about eating poop?
>>8835405
is there poop eating in Gravity's Rainbow?
>>8835405
yer mum's logbook
>>8835408
Along with comparisons to black peeners.
>poem doesn't rhyme
>>8835242
Blasphemer.
>>8835262
Sod.
>>8835242
so?
Hey /lit/
Can you help me find a .pdf of A River Runs Through It?
I bought it as a gift for Christmas, so I don't want to use the book I bought. Is there anywhere I can find this online to read it? You would be helping me out, I just spent some time looking but had no luck.
bump.
please anons
Don't worry, anon. I will post one page at this exact time every day for you.
how much you wanna bet we all wake up to this giant pile of shit under the Xmas tree on Xmas?
>>8835137
>not already having bought it with the big boy money from your big boy job
>>8835137
>tfw home for Christmas
I may or may have not hinted towards my parents that I am interested in this book...
>>8835137
if you get presents from under a tree on christmas you're too young for this board. please leave.
I think the world would be a better place if we abandoned Abrahamic religions in favour of Nietzschean ethics.
[spoilet]FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY[/spoiler]
fuck nietzsche and his degenerate faggot ethics
if the rule of the strong is prefereable to the rule of the weak, why do the weak beat the strong?
>>8835127
Because the weak were actually the strong.
>>8835119
>better
Better for whom?
Is he the only poet that is not a boring fuck deep up his own ass?
one of the few from his era. There are tons of modern poets however that don't delimit themselves by adherence to standards of how poetic diction and structure should work
>>8835107
I'm glad I met someone else who thinks conventional poetry rules are stodgy and archaic
>>8835090
Nah
New to philosophy
Currently reading pic related
Where do I go after?
greeks
>>8835061
suicide
>>8835087
This wasn't helpful
Dad is asking what I want for Christmas and I have no idea what to tell him.
What is a book I can wish for that will make me look smart and sophisticated, but not pretentious?
If it's fun to read that would be cool too
>>8835045
marcus aurelius - meditations
if he writes it off he's an ignorant fag, plus it will probably be of serious use to you down the line
>>8835045
catch22
Final bosses of South American literature.
Borges is entry level as fuck
I'd like to try Borges and GuimarĂ£es someday.
Houllebecq argues that the decline of the western civilization is a consequence of the society suddenly realizing that death is imminent and that there is no possible afterlife, which leads to a meaningless life based on instantaneous pleasure and a cult of the youth.
What should I do with my life after knowing that everything is devoid of meaning and death is always near? Should I just waste my time in vain pleasures like sex?
>>8835027
Masturbate a lot and pray to almighty God they find a way to indefinitely sustain your life in an affordable manner so that you may fill your peanut brain with petty distractions for all eternity
>>8835027
how the fuck can you 'know' that life is meaningless
I guarantee you're often mistaken about matters far less important than that so why, if you're swirling around in this black pit of nihilism, are you suddenly overcome by what sounds like an almost-religious certainty wrt metaphysical matters such as the answer to the question of meaning?
>>8835027
No you should spend your life developing genetically engineered immortal Lesbian superbeings like Houllebecq advised
Why do you hate Stephen King so much?
I think he is a good writer, not the best of the world or something like that, just a good one. So... from where comes this hate? Because he's overrated?
After some serious self-insight regarding your question, I've concluded with the idea that my latent homophobia makes me unable to appreciate Stephen King, and I've come to terms with it.
his books dont have enough hot cocks in them
/lit/ only likes long dead foreign authors or meme authors
King is neither
Why is this book considered controversial? Is it because of the racism?
>>8834937
Because the late Fitzgerald transcends contemporary thinking. And the fact that the editor ruined this title, makes it controversial in it's own right.
>>8834937
the mc is gay
>I actually think so.
so this... is the power.... of STEM........ woah.....
>>8834927
Who are you quoting?
>>8834917
Lmao he's just another pseudo-intellectual white dude.