Final bosses of South American literature.

Borges is entry level as fuck

>>8835032
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I'd like to try Borges and Guimarães someday.

>>8835032
What do you mean about it? I never read him before. Explain it.

>>8835032

so is plato. he's still a final boss regardless.

stop being this try hard.

>>8835032
you think that only because he is great and is widely discussed on this particular forum. Don't let memes pollute your mind, family, obscurity is not correlated with quality

>>8835130
I didnt imply he is bad, I love Borges, but he is really entry level, and this isnt a bad thing

>>8835139
what does 'entry level' mean? I didn't read Borges until I was 25 and I've been reading my whole life. I'm glad I didn't discover him until later, too, because otherwise a good majority of his literary references would have been lost on me, as I'm sure they are on many of the people that just dive right into him on this site

>>8835182
I first read him at 17 and re read him all the time

>>8835030
>no Cervantes
fucking dropped

>>8835197
Cervantes is from Spain.

>>8835202
i think it was a joke.

>>8835182
entry level means the books you start with. thanks to the internet, now information (and media) is categorized in an all encompassing way, so something that may have been advanced or difficult is just as accessible to a 15 yo virgin as it is to you. deal with it. entry level is a thing on the internet, and as a result, in real-life (or in our real-life minds). don't act like you don't know. and everyone has access to the internet so references aren't shit either. you're only elder sage tier if you read incomprehensible babble lit or books filled with fecal cave paintings at this point.

>>8835030
Final boss in terms of inaccessibility/quality?
That would be Sabato with his wacky rantings and retarded use of intertextuality.

Final boss in terms of a really fucking solid work?
Rulfo.


br lit is a fucking meme.

>>8835261
Machado de Assis:

>Machado's works had a great influence on Brazilian literary schools of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

> Machado de Assis was included on American literary critic Harold Bloom's list of the greatest 100 geniuses of literature, alongside writers such as Dante, Shakespeare and Cervantes.

> José Saramago, Carlos Fuentes, Thomas McGuane and Susan Sontag are among his admirers, and Woody Allen has expressed enthusiasm for one of Machado's novels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFv8ZOx7znQ

Rosa:
>It is often considered to be the Brazilian equivalent of James Joyce's Ulysses.[1][2][3] In a 2002 poll by the Bokklubben World Library, "Grande Sertão: Veredas" was named among the best 100 books of all time.[4]
>Rosa only wrote one novel, Grande Sertão: Veredas (known in English as The Devil to Pay in the Backlands), a revolutionary text for its blend of archaic and colloquial prose and frequent use of neologisms, taking inspiration from the spoken language of the Brazilian backlands. For its profoundly philosophical themes, the critic Antonio Candido described the books as a "metaphysical novel".

Borges I don't need to say anything because you guys already know him

>>8835261
magic realism is for plebs who couldnt handle realism

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>>8835261
>Rulfo
Mexico is in North America!

>>8835261
>thinking Sabato is inaccesible and lacks quality

lmao what a fucking pleb

I agree with you on Rulfo tho.

good to see latin america lit being discussed that isnt roberto "le meme" bolaño

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But everyones forgetting 'bout..

>>8835320
But Rulfo is Mexican and Mexico is part of North America.

>>8835367
You are right, but still, let us expand the thread to Latin America instead of only South America.

>>8835304
I already know Machado de Assis and Rosa (i really love Veredas), but you can't compare them to the spanish writers.

>>8835315
Funny because I didn't posted any writer from magic realism you fucking pseud.

>>8835318
fug

>>8835320
I was talking about a mix between inaccesible/quality.
I could name dudes like Emar or Marechal who are the real deal, but Sabato is a special case because he is able to use a lot of difficult literary devices like randomly inserting stanzas from an almost-unrelated canto de gesta about a historical argentinian figure while not delving into the autistic avant-garde.

Also, Abaddon is really dense compared to the other 'big' south american books.

>>8835398
>Rulfo
>not magic realism

>>8835404
There's literally nothing wrong with magic realism.

>>8835404
>Rulfo
>magic realism
The only magic thing on Rulfo's work is the complex narrative. Everything else is pretty mundane.

>>8835413
is shit

>>8835333
He´s stil great though.

>>8835413
Magic realism is gimmicky as fuck.
>DUDE I WAS IN FRANCE AND THEN WACKY SHIT HAPPENED BUT I DIDN'T GAVE A FUCK LMAO
Cortazar and Garcia Marquez ruined a whole generation of writers.

what about Cortazar

Yeah what about Cortazar.

>>8835478
>>8835484
hack with only two good books (rayuela and bestiario)

the rest of his work is bestiario all over again and rayuela but even more wackier

>>8835230
that sounds like just another pathetic attempt to canonize the history of knowledge and artistic creation. In other words, a classic facet of human psychology, terrified by the infinite and needing to set boundaries on what can be known and experienced

>>8835398
Sorry about the misunderstanding.

>randomly inserting stanzas from an almost-unrelated canto de gesta about a historical argentinian figure

But the sections in Sobre héroes y tumbas with that are neither random nor unrelated to the main narrative. They have very much to do with Alejandra and Martín's relationship and with the history of both Argentina as a country and the Vidal Olmos as a family.

I agree that Abaddón is denser compared to, say, Rayuela, but there are other novels that are denser than Abaddón, like Lezama Lima's Paradiso, Fuentes's La región más transparente and Cabrera Infante's Tres Tristes Tigre.

>>8835304
>>8835261
>>8835030
yo how you guys know all these authors? I read as much as I can and I only heard of Borges and de Assis. Is it because I'm an Ameripleb?

>>8835511
I´m also south american and hadn´t heard of Rosa up until now.
Don´t feel so bad.

>>8835486
Rosa has only one book

>they haven't mention Onetti

Did you even read El pozo?

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>>8835478
>>8835484
the best cortazar is a mediocre borges

>>8835511
I can only enjoy spanish literature.
Spanish literature is the real avant-garde branch of lit. I don't know a lot about portuguese lit, but you can argue the same because of the similar cultures.

>>8835590
I read it but found it derivative, but that is, perhaps, because I had read El túnel before.

What are other good works by Onetti?

>>8835626
>avant-garde
stop living in the 20th century

>>8835653
But the 20th century is the comfiest
>being able to enjoy the commodities of technology and industry without falling into the meme of an existence devoid of meaning and late capitalism

>>8835671
>world wars
>really existing socialism
>colonialism
>postcolonialism
>proxy wars
>comfy

>>8835643
Are El Pozo and El Túnel similar in premise? I have only read the latter and i have not read much from Onetti aside from a couple of his short stories.

>>8835030
>Final

Once you start thinking you're finished, that's when you lose, mate.

>>8835684
You could find issues in every span of time large enough.
Such a long period of time cannot be all described in just one word, or not one as limited as "comfy". Therefore, it is useless to try and discuss such a imbecile thing.

>>8835686
Not really in the premise, but they deal with similar themes (loneliness as an inherent condition of mankind, the struggle to create something beautiful i.e. art, etc) and are written in similar way (like a diary)

I would have mentioned Mario Benedetti also but his main stuff is poetry

>>8835771
>Mario benedetti
Guácala, anónimo.

>>8835076
You've not read him now