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This is it, /lit/.

In a few short days, I will "begin with the Greeks" from the very beginning. I will make the attempt to read as much work as I can, and not just the most famous pieces. It may sound foolish, but I've always had the dream of receiving a full classical education. The geniuses like Dante and Raphael studied and gained knowledge from these same megalithic writers. That's not saying I want to be a famous author or anything. I want to follow the philosophy of Socrates, dedicating my life to pursuing knowledge and virtue. I will try to read in strict chronological order (and only using primary sources) as much as I can.

I begin with Apollodorus' Library, a ~250 page compilation of Greek myths to familiarize myself for what is to come. After that, Homer. I will read everything Homer-related for obvious reasons (pic related), Iliad & Odyssey, Homeric Hymns, even fragments of work attributed to him. Immediately after Homer, Hesiod's entire corpus. From there, I will be reading all of the greek poets, playwrights, scientists, mathematicians, pre-socratic philosophers, statesmen, and historians until I reach Plato. Then the list goes Plato -> Xenophon -> Aristotle. I haven't planned much after that, it might take me years to even reach that point.

Anyways, I make this thread to tell all of you that I have reached the point of no return. Apologies for the blog post, thank you.
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>>8828913
No one cares
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God speed OP
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>>8828913
IMO, I wouldn't recommend 'starting' with a reference book for myths. The whole point is they're reference books----just go ahead and start with Homer, and whenever you encounter a character from the myths, read about them directly in the reference book.

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How do I improve my vocabulary? Word of the day sites are usually too esoteric, and when I do run into practical words I forget quickly.
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>>8828905
Use the grade school method: write down word, definition, and an example sentence. And what I do personally is tape the notecards full of these to the wall so I can glance at it periodically, cementing them into my mind.
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Just read more and better stuff bitch.
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>>8828905
Read more and also write more, doesn't have to be a book or anything too long, eventually you'll start using new/better words.

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Reminder that Nietzsche would be a lower person by his own philosophy.
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Reminder that this doesn't negate his philosophy
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>>8828861
Maybe you should try reading Nietzsche first so you wouldn't make outright false threads.
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>>8828861
Rhymes with "Bad Gnominem"

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which philosopher is the "most right"

i know a lot of yall will attack that concept with lots of skepticism and say its dumb and this aint how u do philosophy but FUCK YALL

my voters go to pic related!!
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>>8828781
D I O G E N E S
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>>8828783
ha ha aint he the nigga that fought alexander the great in the gladitorial zone but alexander said he could go away free back to his kingdom cuz he repsected his bravery
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>>8828781

Yeah boooiii! F society man!!

The correct answer is Schopenhauer.

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What are some essential political books?

I didn't finish school and barely understand communism, nationalism, socialism etc etc (yes I know I'm stupid) where should I start?

Something I will understand please
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>>8828767
You could do worse than starting with Thomas Paine's Common Sense.
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>>8828876
That's the worst place to start.
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>>8828767
Better than asking /lit/ for entry-level recommendations into a specific field is to check out the syllabi of renowned universities/institutions. For example:

http://polisci.columbia.edu/courses/course-syllabi

Here's a direct link to the first one (Pol Sci 101):

http://polisci.columbia.edu/files/polisci/content/pdf/syllabi/1013%20Michelle%20Smith%20Barnard%20S13.pdf

All essential and useful reading.

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what does /lit/ think of this book?
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>>8828760
It's not that i hate bukowski. I hate the people who like him.

But this book, like every other one that he wrote is just cheap nihilism
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>>8828760
I liked it.
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>>8828825
What did you like about it?

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Only one enemy remained. Two, if you counted Trump.
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Only one enemy remained; two if you counted wrong.
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>>8828713
kek
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shitposting is against the rules

What does /lit/ think of Marcel Duchamp?
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something that can only take place in a decadent civilization.
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>>8828703
Nope.

>>8828668
A genius that pseuds act like has only done the urinal
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>>8828668
I hate the direction he took art but understand it was inevitable. I don't really have an opinion beyond that.

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If someone wrote your life story, what would it be called?
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Being and Nothingness.
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>>8828524
my diary desu
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Ambivalence on both sides

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>decide to plagiarise a book from an obscure but decent foreign author whom nobody knows in my country
>translate everything and retain the good style of prose
>localise where necessary

How long would it take for someone to notice that this is plagiarism? Have there been any famous authors caught plagiarising?
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You may as well plagiarise because if you think that's a good idea then you're too dumb to write anything worthwhile yourself.
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>>8828523
Russian Potter ripoff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_Grotter

Though I think something western into India, China, Russia (and most eastern europe places) people wouldn't care and if 1 or 2 would, it would be 1 or 2.
The other way around and publishers are much more weary.
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>>8828523
Ozaki Koyo did it with a obscure pulp novel from America. It looks about a century before anyone noticed (which was only recently), but I imagine people would start to notice quicker with the internet/digitization.

I'll start:
"Thus"
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I disagree. People should not refrain from using certain words.They should use whatever they like as long as it makes practical sense
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>>8828513
The only words I have a problem with are "thus" and "whilst", only because redditors misuse them constantly. That's not enough reason for everyone to stop using them.
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Antiquated

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Has anyone read pic related?

Did it change your life?

Did you understand it?

inb4 what's there to understand?

The moment, everything passes so there's nothing eternal except the moment, it's all there actually is.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and confess that I like it. It's basically Taoism-lite.
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Was an interesting read. Has alot of insight and it helped in a darker part of my life, but that was a bunch of years ago.
Probably gonna pick it up again when I try and stop drinking soon
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>>8828470

normies think that life = desires+opinions+thoughts+consciousness+bodies/material objects

it turns out that if you want to be happy, you cannot rely on desires+opinions+thoughts+consciousness+bodies/material objects, because those stuff are not'' permanent'', meaning ''everything naturally turns to shit, when it comes to these''


like you are always :
-dissatisfied to experience something not pleasing
-dissatisfied to lose a pleasing experience


it is not your fault that desires+opinions+thoughts+consciousness+bodies/material objects always fade. it is not even their fault . It is just the nature of anything you experience to disappear (or to cease to be what you fantasized about them).

so once you want to be happy, you naturally understand that you better not take seriously the desires+opinions+thoughts+consciousness+bodies/material objects

so how do you stop caring about all these desires+opinions+thoughts+consciousness+bodies/material objects??

normies call this stop ''letting go''

well you do not ''let go'' by willing to let go (perhaps a bit at first, when you begin to meditate, because you think mediating is hard, so you must apply yourself)

you let go by understanding that desires+opinions+thoughts+consciousness+bodies/material objects is not permanent, not you [because you cannot control them] [like if you like apples, you cannot stop liking apples by will, by doing something about you, you cannot effectively[=with yields 1] control other people, you cannot effectively[=with yields 1] control nature], and makes you unhappy if you care about them.

once you understand that desires+opinions+thoughts+consciousness+bodies/material objects will make you unhappy if you cling to them, you are automatically dispassionate towards them and you are happy

it turns out that the more you understand this, you cut first the ties with normie life, then the more you go deep in jhanas, then you reach nibanna.


for people who do not see that normie life is just shit,
-they either do not want really to be happy, so they just bear their cross, and claim that ''the world would be better if people would be smarter (like rationalists), nicer [like low level hippies, moms]''
-or the few you want to go beyond whining, they need ''faith int he buddha'' and practice mediation to first get pleasure/piti, which make them concentrated (because when you are pleased, your mind is not scattered like the mind of normies).

then you need ''right view'', which is just asking ''what does it take, without compromise, the most sincerely possible, to stop being dissatisfied with what I experience (experience which always turns to shit (due to me (when I interact IRL with people, animals, material objects), other people [who betray you, who do not care about you, who love you, who control you], the change of all the objects that I experience), plus the lack of control on my side)?'' + seeing that the ''four noble truths'' is the answer.

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What music do you read the Iliad to?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI0mkt6Z3I0

Itself
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>>8828506
Correct answer.
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>>8828434
What anime is this?

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Do you consider animation to be an art?
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it might be art but it's not literature
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>>8828377
>8377▶
>it might be art but it's not literature
What about scripts?
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art made to be art is not art.

>tl;dr: have you tried to read the dictionary from cover to cover? Thoughts? What are other great ways to make your vocabulary richer?

I know that to read many books (novels, poetry, short-stories, critisism, scientific-manuals, books about fashion and clothing, harvesting-farming-manuals, sports-guides, etc.) is one of the most effective, rewarding and pleasurable ways of learning new vocabulary.

I was thinking, however, in reading the complete dictionary of my original language (Portuguese). As a writer I think this is one of the best training exercises I can engage in. I do not plan to do it in a few days. I would read a little bit of it every single day, selecting words that I might have used but whose existence I have forgot.

When it comes to vocabulary, I never like to use the extremely rare words, the words that will surely send the reader to the dictionary. What I like is to use the unexpected word, the fresh word, the word that readers will understand but that they could not foresee that was going to be used in such a way, in such situation. I see this happening in Shakespeare's poetry all the time, for example:

>For the hot vengeance and the rod of heaven

He could have used any word to go along with "hot vengeance", like: "for the hot vengeance and anger of heaven", or "the hot vengeance and fury of heaven", or "hot vengeance and sanction of heaven", but no: he chooses the word "rod", he chooses the unexpected image of the punishment who uses the blaze and pinching of a wooden stick: that's the unusual word, the word anyone who reads understands, but that only a great mind would realize that the application would cause the effect of strangeness and imagistic coloring.

So, have any of you guys already tried to read the dictionary from cover to cover? What are the benefits? Did the experience enriched your lives and your art?
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>>8828350

Ode to the Dictionary, by Pablo Neruda

Ox shoulder, heavy
loader, systematic
thick book:
As a young man
I didn't know you, I was dressed up
to sufficiency
and I believed myself full up,
and puffed up like a
melancholy toad
I declared "I receive
the words
directly
from a roaring Mount Sinai.
I will reduce
their forms by alchemy.
I'm a wizard."
The great wizard was silent.

The Dictionary,
old and heavy, with its binding
of worn leather,
remained silent
without showing its testing.

But one day
after having used
and disused it,
after declaring it
a useless and anachronistic camel,
when for long months without protest,
it served me as an armchair
and as a pillow,
it rebelled and planting itself
in my door
it grew, it moved its leaves
and its nests,
it moved the elevation of its foliage
the tree
was,
a natural,
generous
apple tree, apple grove or apple-like
and the words
shone in its bottomless cup
dull or sonorous
fertile in the fronds of language,
loaded with truth and sound.
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>>8828368

I select only
one of
its
pages:
Caporal (foreman)
capuchón (monk's hood)
what a marvel
to pronounce these syllables
with air,
and further down
Cápsula (capsule)
hollow, waiting for olive oil or nectar
and next to them
Captura, Capucete, Capuchino
Caprario, Captatorio
words
which flake off like smooth birds
or which explode in the light
like blind germs which waited
in the storerooms of vocabulary
and live again and give life:
once more the heart sets them afire.

Dictionary, you're not
a tomb, sepulcher, casket,
burial mound, mausoleum,
but a preserver,
hidden fire,
the planting of rubies,
living perpetuity
of the essence,
granary of the language.
And it is beautiful
to pluck in your columns
the word
in its lineage,
the severe
and forgotten
sentence,
daughter of Spain,
enduring
like the blade of a plow,
fixed in its limit
of antiquated iron-work,
preserved
with its exact beauty
and its metallic hardness.
Or the other word
which we saw lost there
out in dialect regions
and which quickly
became tasty and smooth in our mouth.

Dictionary, one hand
of your thousand hands, one
of your thousand emeralds,
one
single
drop
of your virginal elements
one grain
from
your
generous granaries
on the tip of my pen,
in my inkwell.
From your thick, sonorous
depth of your forest,
give me,
when I need it,
one single trill, the luxury
of a bee,
a fallen fragment
from your ancient wood
perfumed by an eternity of jasmine beds,
one
syllable
all earthquake, a sound:
from the earth I am and with words I sing.
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find me the definiton of Djent

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