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Who here has seen John Berger's 'Ways of Seeing' and read his essay with the same title?

http://waysofseeingwaysofseeing.com/ways-of-seeing-john-berger-5.7.pdf

It's amazing stuff and it's pretty standard now for all art students (not one myself) but I stumbled upon the BBC mini series and loved it. He completely turns the whole manner in which people are accustomed to viewing art on its head and I loved the concept of the 'epiphany' or the moment of realisation being a fabricated substitute to account for an image's reproducibility.

Here is the BBC series;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDE4VX_9Kk
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>>8852470
I read the book already. It was good. Has anyone read his novels? I own one of them and have been meaning to read it. It's called To The Wedding. Has anyone read G.?
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>>8852470
Bumping, also throwing Gombrich into the ring. Goethe is like the progenitor of this perspective.
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>>8852470
Important to read. The notion of 'gaze' actually makes sense when he explains it.

He isn't responsible for the millions of tumblrites who just use it as a buzzword.

Simple test: ask them to give examples of erotic nudity that ISN'T male gaze. Berger gives that as a necessary part of explaining the overall idea (such distinctions mark the borders of any coherent theory after all), they never can.

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Any lit that's not about teenagers coming out of the closet or poorly written detective stories? I keep coming across stories that deal with two very handsome men or beautiful women that pretty much have the "Oh God, I think I'm falling for them" set up. So boring.
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>>8852449
Borrowed Time by Paul Monette
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Captive Prince by C.S Pacat is pretty great.
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Confessions of a Mask. For your yaoi fix.

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who here have shit-tier first language?

i am a circassian born in israel. circassian has almost no literature, and almost zero translations of foreign works.

my second language is hebrew. everything is being translated to hebrew but the language itself is weak and not rich so it never conveys good stories like it does in other languages.

being fluent in english, i read everything in english. i even prefer translations to english over translations to hebrew (for example russian lit, greeks etc.)

and last, arabic. it is a rich, beautiful, and powerful language. however, they almost never translate foreign books, and they themselves dont have too many great writers.
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English is a pretty messy language to be perfectly honest, I'm thinking of picking up Anglish though for shits and giggles.
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>>8852458
You'd be better off learning Old English instead of a meme
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>>8852468
Memes are the future though, in a hundred years time all the greats will be translated into emoji for better study material.

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Do you guys keep a diary?

Thinking about starting one since I'm having a lot of trouble remember the past already. My writing abilities are trash and I figure writing everyday will help somewhat
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I feel the same, but have a hard time keeping a diary consistently. When I write, it seems like I highlight very trite parts of my day.

My question is, for those who keep a diary: do you re-read it?
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I started a diary today but it failed miserably

{
I'm starting to believe it's important to chronicle thoughts and experiences. The archives created by humanity will far outlive any human itself; as a famous fictional character once ad lib'd “All these will be lost, like tears in rain,” the irony being the staying power of said scene continues to inspire years beyond it's production. Life fades but memories can remain as long as they're passed on.

This begs the questions however, is every memory worth preserving? And if it has been recorded, what makes it worth listening to? Authority is the classic divide on what is worth digesting intellectually but posthumous recognition tends to come to common scribes as the years go by. Those “ahead of their time” may very well just have been the one to record the common sentiment of their cliché. At the end of the day though it's up to a single person of their own accord to decide what is and isn't relevant to themselves.

I write these musings in the vain hope that my perspectives on the limited world around me will live on in the minds of others many decades, even centuries from now. I've learned however, to be remembered you can only be a hero or a villain. I hope through my records I can become one.

DAY 1:

I've hit a road block already.
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>>8852342
I'm going to switch it up and add important events from my childhood or just memories I think are important after I write what happened. I'll try to relate the old memory to something that happened today.

I think I might re read this time next year. Mainly want to give it to someone like a grandson or something even though I know they'll be like wtf is this bullshit. Basically this is my way of accepting my eventual death. If I live on through this I feel better.

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Just finished this.

It was... interesting.

I liked the ambiguity and I find it funny that literature professors seem intent on discerning meaning from the names of the characters when it seems pretty apparent that they're mostly jokes.

From what I can tell, the central theme is about the discerning of meaning from a large amount of white noise and creating a context for that meaning and then subsequently questioning whether that meaning is valid.

Definitely wasn't the worst 150 pages I ever read.
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>>8852230
>it seems pretty apparent that they're mostly jokes

You shouldn't underestimate the way Pynchon names his characters.
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>>8852242
I mean, they're not completely empty but come on. We don't really need to over think what the name "Mucho" Maas means. It's a funny name, and yeah it kind of describes the cluelessness and simplicity of the character.
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>>8852246
But that is just an example. Oedipa and Inverarity are much reacher. Sure, Pynchon's works are full of funny names, but they are not just that. Even the name of someone as Mucho shows his character, as you pointed out. That goes beyond its being "mostly jokes".

Particuarly with Pynchon, you should be on your guard when a character's name is introduced, lest you dismiss it as being a joke and lose the intention behind it.

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Post your three favorite short stories and other anons will judge you based on your selection

>David Foster Wallace - "Incarnations of Burned Children"
>Ernest Hemingway - "The End Of Something"
>Kurt Vonnegut - "Harrison Bergeron"
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my -"Work"
diary - "Safe"
desu - "Request"
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>>8852201
eric my good meme, simply eric
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>>8852208
violating global rule 16 is my favorite meme, lucky for me that /lit/ is nothing but rec threads now

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>Waking up to a loud crash rarely means something good is happening. It’s never “CRASH! Mom made pancakes!” or “CRASH! We decided to adopt a Golden Retriever!”

You know what to do, /lit/. Re-write it as a famous author.
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>>8852195

I don't understand this meme.
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>>8852195
r/4chan was a mistake
>>8852196
it's from reddit, and OP wants to put it back
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>>8852196
Only one enemy remained; two if you counted God.

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So I'm pretty sure I've found the smallest font you can print something in and still have it be legible, I'm asking /lit/ for recommendations on what books i should print and then read. I will fucking read them just to prove this method is legit.

The font is the gameboy pokemon Red/Blue font:
http://www.fontspace.com/jackster-productions/pokemon-gb,
paste the text you wish to print into notepad,
set format>.font> to Pokemon GB >size 3
Then set print > print to pdf if you wish to see how many pages it would theoretically take.
To maximize space and save pages, set your print margins in pic related.
I was able to fit the entire odyssey on 24 pages.
https://mega.nz/#!l1FhjLZb
Link has 95 pages, but if you print double sided, and do even and odd printing it halves it twice from 95 to 48 to 24.

it is recommended you print on the highest quality your printer has (as opposed to the normal/draft option)
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>just to prove this method is legit

What method?
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>>8852119
infinite jest
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Ulysses. You should be able to find a txt online.

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Did no one see the irony?
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i never saw the movie or read his books

share with us OP
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>>8852100
it's a great movie
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>>8852100

There is no irony. Only sincerity.

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Are there any good analyses to be found of the stolen car problem?

>Two men are born into relatively equal circumstances
>One manages to procure a car. The other steals that car and is able to obtain a lucrative job in the next town over. The first is still responsible for paying for the car, and must simultaneously accept a lower paying job nearby. He is never able to live above a marginal level.
>In this way, the two men's fortunes diverge, and the sons both have are born into very different circumstances.
>One day, in middle age, the son of the wealthy man visits his family's hometown and meets the son of the poor man. In talking, they realize their connection.
>Under these circumstances, is the wealthy man obligated to do anything? Must he purchase a replacement car? Must he transfer a significant portion of his wealth to the poor man? Or does he not owe anything, because the sin is his father's?
>Additionally, if the wealthy man chooses to do nothing, is it right or wrong for society to force him to do something?
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>>8852087
This is going to end up belonging on >>>/pol/
And not in the "reeee get out" sense, just that the topic isn't going to be literary, it will be political.
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I wouldn't see the point of analyzing it in depth. It's obviously not a very realistic scenario, so I assume the point is just to make a rhetorical analogy to another issue which could be addressed on its own.
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>>8852087
You're looking mostly for Nozick's historical theory of just distribution.

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Maltese Falcon - has anybody read it, should i read it?
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Yes it's great
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>>8852042
yeah did your boyfriend read it to you faggot
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>>8852039
He's good but you wont get many responses because he's not a lit meme author.

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JESUS GUYS I'M SORRY

I REALLY can't read poetry. It's easier to read books, for whatever reason. But I've tried reading paradise lost 4 time this week and I just can't do it. How do you read poetry and why is this so hard for me?
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pls halp
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>>8851933
Bumping to help this poor lad
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Because you are an idiot who says books when he means novels.

Also, start with something "easier", like Poe or Whitman, or even the Poetry bools of the Bible so you get a feeling of how to read poetry, especially Paradise Lost.

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>Envoys also visited Odysseus in Ithaca, but he was unwilling to go, and pretended to be mad.

Why did Odysseus pretend to be crazy just to get out of the war? All the other people who were called were very willing to join Agamemnon in the quest for glory. And not to mention, Odysseus was the guy who invented the oath which bound him to helping Menelaus.
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He was actually driven mad, historians of the time simply did not want to admit their hero had fallen so far. Some theories even suggest he was dead at the time.
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>>8851816
He just had a kid.
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>>8851816
Odysseus knew that glory in war is not worth it when compared to a quiet, long life with his wife and children. Remember when he visited Achilles in the Underworld.

Even in modern times there were and are people who faked diseases or illness not to get drafted.

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Is there any point in reading translated poetry?
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if it's good, yes
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>That part of your poetry which strikes upon the imaginative eye of the reader will lose nothing by translation into a foreign tongue; that which appeals to the ear can reach only those who take it in the original.
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Bumping this for more input

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post the author you hate the most, i start

i hate Bukowski and everyone who considers him a genius
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>>8851740
Joyce and Pynchon. DFW is below my contempt.
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Kerouac

the Beats are garbage, except for Burroughs
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>>8851740
agreed with bukowski.

and Nabokov too tbqh. loved Speak, Memory, but disliked the rest of his work. I recognize his genius but he abused his gifts

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