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>>8849949
I'm happy someone on this board mentioned John Dewey. I force him into many philosophy and education threads to get people to look into him but no one cares. Henry George's book Progress and Poverty deals with economics but it is important to understanding how Dewey viewed education and democracy.


He was inspired by Rousseau's Emile and Plato's Republic which both deal with education and society. Chomsky has written about Dewey and education in modern America but I can't think of specific examples because I haven't read his books. Bertrand Russel also wrote about education and was critical of Dewey, Russel took a more aristocratic view of education which is briefly summarized in his essay In Praise of Idleness.

not John Dewey

>>8849981
Is there a work by Bertrand Russell that goes into full depth of his thoughts or is his essay Praise of Idleness the only one?

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>>8849942
I think /lit/ is generally hostile towards it because they don't have the luxury of decades of critical thought to tell them what is good and why it's good. Kind of like contemporary literature.
Also they always seem to forget that time weeds out the works not worth remembering.
All of that said, my thoughts: I think abstract expressionism did all it could do in the 50's and 60's, everybody afterward is meaninglessly repeating the same styles and concepts.
Large museums having sizable collections of contemporary/modern works has altered the landscape of the art world. Artists have realized they can make large works that could in no way be pieces in the homes of collectors and make a living on that. By moving in that direction, many artists know they can't do anything terribly bold, just big and visually interesting. This is especially detrimental because the museums that can afford to buy and display these large works are almost universally funded by the government in some way, which really means something that isn't "safe" can't be purchased. Think of the size of the works groundbreaking painters and artists were creating in the early 20th and 19th century, before they hit it big. The impressionists didn't go large [for the most part] until they were critical darlings.
Point being, the best contemporary works are probably something your average /lit/izen won't have access to for at least a couple decades. Museums give a skewed perception, while the actual worthwhile work is being displayed and sold in galleries most of us haven't heard of.

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>>8849996
I don't agree, I think that nowadays the public and critics are ready to accept any work of art no matter how groundbreaking. In fact, what sets apart the contemporary public from the one that came before it is the tolerance and demand of more shocking expositions. Anti-art has been given official backing for a long time now, and the question is what is left to be subverted if such pieces are now part of museum collections. Perhaps critics and museums will take time to recognize the great pieces of our period, but that will be for lack of historical perspective rather than the boldness of such pieces.

>>8849931
First for Wheel of Time, greatest fantasy ever written.

>>8849948
This really tugs my braid

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>>8849931
Goodreads Choice Awards time faggots

https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-science-fiction-books-2016
https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-fantasy-books-2016

Military strategy is just applied philosophy

Mattis is genuinely a highly intelligent and thoughtful person. He's also not a pussy.

>>8850012
so definitely not /lit/ at all.

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Fuck you this is now a Magic Mountain thread

>a playful parody of the stereotypical "bildungsroman"

>tfw I can't stop reading about youngters growing and bettering themselves and taking their first steps into adulthood because I am a manchild who never grew up

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>>8849797
he has some of the worst reviews I've ever seen. he makes Franzen look like a literary genious

They all try to live up to the Pynchmeister but none of them can hack it.

>>8849797
not really, no. its just that book. got any other examples?

>>8849792
Brothers Karamazov

>>8849792
Stuff by jack donovan

>>8849792
the knight in panther's skin

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>>8849788
At least use good porn caps, you disgusting cuckold.

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>>8849799
Ey Anon, m'ask you sum

>>8849788
>Raymond Federman or Robert Coover
>Raymond
>Coover
>Raymond Coover
>Raymond Carver
Oh Shit!

Žižek @ literature and Žižek @ lecture are quite different indeed.

Watch >>8848359 to get something in-between.

>>8849723
He knows more about philosophy than a meme like Chomsky but he's equally a memer when it comes to discussing international events.

>>8849723
>I've watched a few of his lectures out of curiosity, and while he does raise some interesting(or at least entertaining) viewpoints, as a whole they feel like disorganized ramblings about whatever he feels like talking about, with little logical connection
I'm glad I saw this thread because I've been in the exact same situation recently. I've watched probably a dozen hours or so of him speaking to pass the time, and I was starting to wonder if I was just 2dumb4him because 50% of these lectures have nothing whatsoever to do with their purported title and another 40% entail seemingly random jumps from 'interesting point' to 'interesting point' which only occasionally court relevance or relation.
In the most recent one I watched he flat-out admitted that the two subjects he wanted to talk about had no connection, and the panel interacting with him further mentioned they had no idea what he was going to talk about.

I assume his books are a lot more focused, I'm looking to get one because I do find his insights top-notch.

Birth of Tragedy >> The Gay Science >>> Thus Spoke Zarathustra >>> Beyond Good and Evil >>> Genealogy of Morals >>> Twilight of the Idols >>> The Antichrist >>> Ecce Homo

Read the Walter Kaufmann translations

>>8849758
>Reading Thus Spake BEFORE BG&E and Genealogy

Not a good idea senpai.

>>8849764

fuck that was actually a typo on my part lol

>what do?
Use your computer senpai

>typewriter
Hello there Shakespeare.

>>8849616
*Smartphone
Grandad...

Get them one copy of The Name of the Rose and make them share desu

They know that one already.

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Get your Dad pic related, firstly because he'll learn a lot about Irish nationalism, the Easter Rising and influential figures like Patrick Pearse and James Connolly, and secondly because it will help him come to terms with your homosexuality.

I think that reading Edith Hamilton's Mythology and then at the very least some essential Plato(early dialogues, symposium, republic) would benefit most people interested in Literature. It is useful to know the basics of Greek mythology, and Plato is a good starting point for anyone interested in philosophy.

>I haven't read the Greeks

>>8849532
To add on, I still think that the people who think it is necessary for new readers to slave over Homer, Herodotus, Plato, etc., before they can even enjoy the texts, are just neets trying to make themselves feel better than others.

>>8849509
>TFW society thinks raping women is absolutely evil but when Dickens gets violated no one bats an eye

Misandry

>I'll prove that in a magazine paper some day

So, she literally took the Fermat's Last Theorem route to avoid giving proof. Epic. Truly epic.

The Brontes were all undersexed, hysterical virgins cloistered in a decrepit parsonage and who together produced as many quality works as they did children.

I only live near one charity shop, it has only a couple of shelves of books mainly consisting of Jackie Collins and about seven copies of The Godfather

I pop in every once in a while but it's almost all fantasy series or books about about children being abducted (usually by their father).

Yup, I only but from charity shops. Good selection of stuff both where I live and where I work in London. Local Oxfam bookshop, which has the best selection, has however started charging £2.50 for fiction paperbacks, the greedy starving-orphan-helping bastards.