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Post Apocalyptic literature
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2016-09-13 14:24:35
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I tried browsing Goodreads (god knows why), but most of their suggestions were shit.
I'm in the mood for some post apocalyptic stories, but I'm more interested in the setting than the apocalyptic event itself. I've read The Road and some other less relevant works, but never really explored the genre much.
I like the idea of a person/ground/community trying to survive in this PA world. "The Book of Eli" setting is a good example of what I'm after.
I'm going to buy "Metro 2033". Are "I am Legend", "Emergence", and "The Stand" any good? I read a lot of good things about "The Stand".
Suggestions and discussion, please.
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>>8503807
You are living in it. Just look at Western civilization today
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>>8503815
That's why I need some escapism that doubles as survival training.
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>>8503807
/sffg/ is where you belong.
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On a purely pragmatic basis, do books like pic, 7 Habits, etc etc have much to impart? do anyone have any experience with them?
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>>8503752
These books are mental masturbation devoid of any actual substance.
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Common sense phrased as aphorisms.
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>>8503752
It made me feel extra friendly to those around me while I was reading it. I really started to give a shit about what was going on in my co-worker's lives. Felt like a turning point for me. Then after I finished reading it those feelings disappeared and I was back to my normal self.
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why is he still alive
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goofs and gags are great for your health
laughter is the best medicine
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>>8503750
Because he's not dead yet
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>kwix-oh-tic
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>quiche-otic
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>quetzalcoatl
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that's the corrent pronounciation in English
please tell me you've never said
>kee-ho-tic
out loud to anyone, anon
This is the best cover of this book. Suck it bitch.
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>>8503715
there's like 2 covers. this is a great book btw.
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>>8503715
What's good about it? A man nearly gets hit in the face by a ball? Wow really makes you think
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It would be good if the other guy didn't have a head. A close look ruins it.
ITT: we put a book and others recommend a similar but more complex, sophisticated and compelling book
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>>8503675
Men and not men by Elio Vittorini.
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>>8503675
Only growing in my regard in retrospect.
Another book about a man who has rejected society at large.
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I'm setting up a Call of Cthulhu game and I'm reading through Lovecraft's entire collection in order to get some inspiration.
Now that I'm almost done reading the book I'm left wondering what else could I read that, might help me work on the story and setting.
Are Chaosium's Cycle books worth it? Do you have any suggestions aside from those books /lit/?
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>>8503537
the shadow over innsmouth is good
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>>8503543
Its included in the complete collection I bought.
Right now I'm considering getting The Best of Damon Knight, The Complete Books of Charles Fort, The King in Yellow by Robert Chambers and The House on the Borderland by William Hope Hodgson.
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>>8503537
William Hope Hodgson's The House On The Borderland is another piece of cosmic horror, the most well-known in the niche outside of Lovecraft. For a crude idea of what it's like, imagine an old timey Evil Dead meets the end of the world.
Then there are Lovecraft's peers, Robert E Howard being the most famous. He uses Lovecraftian elements (first person narrators, bookish protagonists, forbidden tomes of knowledge) while being more action-oriented e.g. The Black Stone, The Children Of The Night. Howard is very into depicting primordial cults and diabolical religious rites gratuitously.
If you want to go deep, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote some weird tales kind of stuff. His short story, The Terror Of The Blue John Gap, is a lot like a Lovecraft story. Here, a sickly doctor takes a walking holiday in the English countryside, and encounters an old Roman mine which is feared by locals.
I feel that between Lovecraft, Hodgson, Howard, and perhaps Conan Doyle, you will have a sense of the weird it aesthetic.
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>obnoxious writing style
>boring, slow-moving plot
>All the female characters are essentially just sex objects
>All the male characters are personalityless scatterbrains
>uses confusion and obscure terminology to mask a fundamental lack of content.
>loved by autists and pseuds who pretend there's some deeper meaning behind the smoke and mirrors
>the middle third of the book could essentially be cut out.
Why does /lit/ love Gravity's Rainbow so much? pic unrelated
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>>8503450
heh, nice one, kid....
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>>8503450
Why are you reading Genrefiction expecting something amazing anon?
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>>8503450
>All the female characters are essentially just sex objects
>All the male characters are personalityless scatterbrains
Just like real life
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ITT: how to spot literary plebs
>his favorite part of divine comedy is inferno
>republic is his favorite dialogue
>prefers eliot over pound
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>>8503407
>posts on /lit/
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>>8503407
>likes Bukowski
>"Hemingway was insecure/misogynistic/overrated!"
>only reads free verse poetry because regular metre is "limiting"
>X was so powerful
>enjoys slam poetry
>cares about an author's personal life
>doesn't read anything written before the 19th century
>doesn't read anything written after the 19th century
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>>8503407
>his favorite part of divine comedy is inferno
but its the best part, even Arreola say it.
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Is this board really America centric is is it just me? When I see all the books discussed here, I get this impression that these are the books that Americans would read in their literature classes. I neves see my favourites mentioned. I rarely ever see contemporary books from non-Anglo authors. It's just the American circlejerk, some classic Russians and Nabokov.
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This board shows how much of a failure the American education system is. Most people here seem to worship mediocre 20th century American writers, and that's all they know.
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>>8503331
I agree. Could you share with us some of your favorite contemporary books?
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Why are there so many people saying the King James Bible is bad? It's a lot more accurate than translations like "the Message" or the NIV. Sure, there are more accurate translations (but not a ton, I haven't found any translations besides Young's Literal and the KJV that actually translate Mark's common use of present tense as such), but most popular translations are not more accurate. Where the King James Bible has errors, they are errors out of accident, whereas many modern Bibles intentionally distort the translation and corrupt Hebrew idiom to sound like contemporary idiom. What good is all the latest Biblical scholarship we have if we try to scrap Hebraic idiom and figures of speech, and stylistic elements like the Hebraic constant use of "and" during narration? There is a reason Robert Alter said the King James Bible is the only mainstream translation that actually captures the Bible's literary qualities.
Here is an example of Hebraic rhetoric
>Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived. Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it. As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months. Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein. Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning. Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day: Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes.
cont
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>>8503298
Here's an example of narrative Hebrew prose
>And he said, O Lord God of my master Abraham, I pray thee, send me good speed this day, and shew kindness unto my master Abraham. Behold, I stand here by the well of water; and the daughters of the men of the city come out to draw water: and let it come to pass, that the damsel to whom I shall say, Let down thy pitcher, I pray thee, that I may drink; and she shall say, Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also: let the same be she that thou hast appointed for thy servant Isaac; and thereby shall I know that thou hast shewed kindness unto my master. And it came to pass, before he had done speaking, that, behold, Rebekah came out, who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, the wife of Nahor, Abraham’s brother, with her pitcher upon her shoulder. And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up. And the servant ran to meet her, and said, Let me, I pray thee, drink a little water of thy pitcher. And she said, Drink, my lord: and she hasted, and let down her pitcher upon her hand, and gave him drink. And when she had done giving him drink, she said, I will draw water for thy camels also, until they have done drinking. And she hasted, and emptied her pitcher into the trough, and ran again unto the well to draw water, and drew for all his camels. And the man wondering at her held his peace, to wit whether the Lord had made his journey prosperous or not.
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>>8503298
Who was it that said that the King James Bible is the only good book written by a committee?
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>>8503298
>It's a lot more accurate than translations like "the Message" or the NIV.
those translations are literal shit, atleast "the Message" is
there are reported obvious mistakes in KJV, some related to the state of scholarship at the time (earlier text sources not yet discovered to infer meaning more properly), others due to political manipulation
read the NRSV
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>JUPITER IS THE ETERNAL USURPER; JUPITERIAN FORCES USURP LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY, AND OCCLUDE WISDOM; TYRANT JUPITER COMES WITH ITS BLINDING MIGHT, AND OUSTS THE KING, OCCLUDING REMEBRANCE OF TELOS WITH FORGETFULNESS, AND SUBSTITUTING TELEOLOGICAL WORK WITH SELFINDULGENCE.
>JUPITER IS AN ABOMINATION GENERATED BY THE MONSTER IALDABAOTH, THE DEMIOURGOS; IT IS ONE OF IALDABAOTH'S ARCHONS, SET AS RULER OF THE FIRMAMENT, SUPERORDINATE TO THE “EVIL” DJINN/DEMONS OF THE SKY, AND OF THE EARTH, ITS CHARACTERISTIC QUALITY BEING HUBRIS TURNED TOWARD PERMANENT EXPANSION; ID EST: THE UTILIZATION OF POWER TO THE END OF CONTINUOUS GROWTH AND PROGRESS.
>JUPITER IS KNOWN BY MANY NAMES, ONE OF WHICH IS “YHWH”; JUPITER IS THE MAIN DEITY OF THE JEWS; THE JEWS, AS THEIR DEITY, ARE ETERNAL AGENTS OF “EVIL”; MINIONS OF JUPITER, SLAVES OF IALDABAOTH, SPREADING FALSITY, MALICE, AND STRIFE; VERILY, THEY ARE THEIR DEITY'S CHOSEN ONES.
Would you agree?
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>>8503290
Change Jupiter to Saturn and you would be 100% correct.
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>>8503294
Wrong.
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>>8503296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tr0EeEU5n0
You are but a child.
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If free will doesn't exist, then how can there be the notion of divine judgment?
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the notion exists but is it judgement and is it divine
non existence of free will does not mean someone else is doing the things that could be judged
nor does it mean that the person that lacks free will cannot foresee the immediate consequences of his non-free will-ness
one can pretend in the knowledge of not being aware or be aware and resign to the fact that the end is set in motion long ago
we may not be able to do predict into the far future but cause and effect is pretty simple
the idea about divinity is that the divine understands human frailty and can forgive us for not processing infinite knowlege
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>>8503260
Even if we possesed divine knowledge, we`d still be unable to affect our actions, being mere witnesses to our own inexorable condemnation.
It would take one fucked up deity to not only punish us for our determined actions, but also grant us enough understanding to realize we're fucking up.
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>>8503269
hence the divine does not "do" anything but instead sends his steads, you can't be omnipotent and try to do things it's a paradox
Why is Lord of the Rings so impossible to read?
I've been chewing my way through the first book and it's honestly got to be one of the most boring things I've ever read. Is it just because I already know the story too well?
Maybe all the fantasy tropes have just been so overused that it seems cliched to modern readers.
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If you only watched the movies you dont know the LOTR story
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>>8503217
It's because you're an adult.
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because it is suppose to be world building at first if you think you know it then approach it you will come into conflict
clear your mind of previous constructions and begin again
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I need your help /lit/ where can I go to download free audiobooks that ISN'T piratebay?
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Audiobooks are for fags.
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Audiobook bay
Librivox
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I would recommend the same as the above poster.
I have a question though. What is everyone's opinion on listening to audiobooks? I find that with 3 children, including a nine month old, and a demanding job requiring 12 hour days, that i can find little time to read these days. I spend about 2.5 hours on the road commuting to work and back and usually spend this time listening to sci-fi for the entertainment value. Is there any issue listening to literary fiction? Would it really be a detriment to my comprehension?