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Should we worry about reading speed?

I took some phony test a couple days ago, and it said that I read at 250wpm, with a comprehension rate of 100%, of which was barely above average, even bordering painfully average. It took me around five days to finish Siddhartha, reading for about an hour a day, and about the same time span to read Candide.

I just picked up a copy of Karamazov; how many eons will it take for me to read this masterpiece? Should I even bother?

Here's the test I mentioned: http://www.readingsoft.com
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1. its not a race
2. youll find your reading speed will improve dramatically on its own without any special effort from you as long as you keep reading consistently and naturally at whatever pace is comfortable right now
3. do not fall into the trap of speedreading/skimming

i understand it's hard and it's easy to get impatient, but if you just stick at it for even a few weeks you'll see noticeable improvements.
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>>8503117
Read Crime and Punishment first. It's shorter and will acclimate you to Dostoyevsky so Bros K isn't so much of a slog.
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I don't think it's important. If you enjoy reading what's the problem? Some people can read 100 pages in an hour and just read an hour a day because they think that's enough, while you could read 90 pages in 3 hours. If you're enjoying it, what's the deal?
I'm an average or very slow reader. I get about 30 pages in a hour or so. I wish I could read faster so I could read more books and shit, but I guess time will tell if I can or not.
My mother reads really fast. She told me she reads in diagonal, wich makes her read a lot faster. I tried this many tiemes and it works, but a lot of times I miss some words or even whole sentences.

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How does /lit/ feel about Paolini's Inheritance Cycle?
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He published too young. If he had waited until he was more mature and more developed as a write it could have been pretty good. As it stands it's a generic fantasy series that I have fond memories of because I was a teenager when I first read it.
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It's better than Sword of Truth and shorter than Wheel of Time, that's about all I can say for it.
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>>8503025

I started reading it knowing that it was mostly regarded as trash. I have a soft spot for such fantasy though, and I eagerly read the six first Wheel of Time books and enjoyed them (mostly) even though they're, I suppose, fairly generic.

Fuckin' Paolini though... I had to drop the book after 150-200 pages. I rarely quit books, but it was just bad, predictable, uninteresting and generally boring.

>>8503032

Sword of Truth, at least the first few books, has some interesting ideas. Inheritance is the worst kind of generic.

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Tag yourself, I'm literally all of them.
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>>8502974
Hemmingway,

but trade alcohol for coffee xPP
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EmDicks + lord B Y E ron hybrid masterrace. And by masterrace I mean sexually repressed shut in
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>>8502974
I am literally Humming and B Y E ron combined.

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How do I write teenage girls or women in general?
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Think of Dogs as Males

what's the opposite of Dogs? Yes, Cats.
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>>8502930
Men are people, while women are closer to children or animals who need a strong white authoritarian male to discipline her
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>>8502921
You don't. Do not give female characters voices or opinions.

The only time a female character is ok is if she is birthing a man into the story or being used for reproduction.

If you have female characters that are not made for these purposes you are literally a cuck

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Been doing some of this lately, some of it makes sense and some doesn't. Some I can only understand when I'm all done. I'd like to post some here and see what you anons can make of it. Reply if interested.
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I like stream of thought stuff
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All the great things in my life have come from nihilism. Subverting the status quo, subverting the politics of the time I live in is important to me. Politics, a passing trend at best. People are quick to forget what they were passionate about, what they burned about just years before. The only real truth is death, the only real truth is nihilism. Freedom is in our minds, but outwardly the expression of that freedom will always, and has always been stifled. The truth hurts, people are scared of it. They're scared of what they really are: human. Human beings are the only animal capable of entertaining ourselves in complex ways. We all have a nazi in our hearts. We all have a saint. The ability to use the grotesque to move and to illicit strong reactions, to think and to grow is a key and a device pivotal to self growth. Politics, is like an ouroboros eating its own tail. Imagine a giant serpent that winds and collides in a black void, there are little people on the serpent and they all think their spot on it is the most important one, that they are arbiters of social morality and progress and they know best. These people never grow, they don't even realize the snake is eating itself, and it's doomed to repeat itself as history has shown. Cyclical in nature and always moving and evolving. Perhaps seek to tear down is even taking it too far, rather simply to live in a truly free world to say what they really mean. The modern world seeks to mock and marginalize those it deems less qualified or intellectually stunted, while forgetting that to play in the realms of the absurd is to subvert, it's relief and affirmation of ones life. The absurdists, the nihilists and the outsiders are constantly the creators of new content, the originators of almost all important ideas. The left, the right, they all seek to censor and control and appeal to the varying layers of the serpent, the people riding on the back of the great snake. There's a hierarchy , perceived or not it exists. True freedom riders, the ones that move and shake. The true, we reside in a dark spot most others don't see or seek. We know the truth of life, the absurdity, the nihilism.think need it, the less fortunate, whoever they tell you needs it. Whoever they tell you to fight, the fight is an illusion. Don't let them tell you what words to say, what things to think, or how to feel. They are vile. All of them. They often come to you under the guise of freedom, under their version of how they think it should be. Under the promise of equality or freedom of equity, like a passing salesman with his wears, and before you know it you're a salesman too. They come to you with religion, with ideology, with distraction. Only to make you forget that you're riding, bumping along. To make you forget the stinking of the scales and the warmth your feet feel, this warm blooded mammal keeps you soft and warm and seeking security and safety. Don't move, it says.
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>>8502909
Here's some stream of consciousness stuff I wrote a while back:

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>Experimental studies confirm that children produce correct question sentences most often with particular wh-words and auxiliary verbs (often those with which they have most experience, such as “What does ...”), while continuing to make errors with question sentences containing other (often less frequent) combinations of wh-words and auxiliary verbs: “Why he can’t come?”

>The main response of universal grammarians to such findings is that children have the competence with grammar but that other factors can impede their performance and thus both hide the true nature of their grammar and get in the way of studying the “pure” grammar posited by Chomsky’s linguistics. Among the factors that mask the underlying grammar, they say, include immature memory, attention and social capacities.

>Yet the Chomskyan interpretation of the children’s behavior is not the only possibility. Memory, attention and social abilities may not mask the true status of grammar; rather they may well be integral to building a language in the first place. For example, a recent study co-authored by one of us (Ibbotson) showed that children’s ability to produce a correct irregular past tense verb—such as “Every day I fly, yesterday I flew” (not “flyed”)—was associated with their ability to inhibit a tempting response that was unrelated to grammar. (For example, to say the word “moon” while looking at a picture of the sun.) Rather than memory, mental analogies, attention and reasoning about social situations getting in the way of children expressing the pure grammar of Chomskyan linguistics, those mental faculties may explain why language develops as it does.

>As with the retreat from the cross-linguistic data and the tool-kit argument, the idea of performance masking competence is also pretty much unfalsifiable. Retreats to this type of claim are common in declining scientific paradigms that lack a strong empirical base—consider, for instance, Freudian psychology and Marxist interpretations of history.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-rebuts-chomsky-s-theory-of-language-learning/?WT.mc_id=SA_FB_MB_FEAT
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>>8502900
Keep this old leftist cuck on tumblr.

Only nu-males take his nonsense seriously
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>As with the retreat from the cross-linguistic data and the tool-kit argument, the idea of performance masking competence is also pretty much unfalsifiable. Retreats to this type of claim are common in declining scientific paradigms that lack a strong empirical base—consider, for instance, Freudian psychology and Marxist interpretations of history.

what did he mean by this
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>>8502906
I bet you can't even establish a proper demarcation between the terms you use

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Any books that serve a good introduction to Hinduism and/or to Indian history and Indian literature in general?

Or should I just read the Gita and go from there? If so, whats a good translation? Are their better epic indian poems or maybe books that summarise the content whilst trying to teach the reader about India in general?
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Read the Bhagavad Gita, plenty of annotated ones
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>>8502873
siddhartha

westerners understand easterners better than easterners do
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Read the Gita (I recommend the norton critical edition) and the Upanisads (Olivelle translation, available as a Oxford World's Classics)

Need advice on a story I am working on. the genre is epic fantasy.

Characters X and Z are best friends. They are fierce soldiers in an elite squad of warriors for the Empire. Character X works hard to be good while character Z has natural talent. X is jealous of Z. When Z gets promotion to become general of this elite squad, character X plots to backstab him.

All of this is backstory of these two character's relationship. I want Z to be backstabbed so bad that he wants to seek revenge on X.

Here is my dilemma. How does X backstab Z? What would be believable? I was thinking something in the lines of this: X doesn't provide support during battle, causing Z to lose his men and his honor.

What do you guys think?
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Those names are rubbish.
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>>8502863
those aren't their real names lol
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>>8502836
how about x steals z's concubine (whom he won from emerging victorious in a battle) and keeps her as his own. this disgraces z and he refuses to fight resulting in the deaths of countless people. they need z to fight. he is the best. but he stubbornly refuses to get back at x

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Is it worth learning Farsi?
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>>8502831
if u want 2
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Are you an academic with a specific, practical reason to learn it? if not no.
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>>8502831
First of all Persian,
If you're interested in Persian Lit then it's worth alot since lots of Persian works haven't been translated to English, or have been translated but have shitty translation or have become rare books. It's well worth it to read Persian poetry in original because it's much more beautiful in original and the rhyming of it is kept.
Persian is not much hard, I think your hardest struggle will be alphabet and voc., since Persian grammar is very easy (no feminine/masculine etc.).

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ITT: Former meme books. Do you miss them?
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>>8502830
Master and Margarita is just good, it doesn't need memeing

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Is this a good book?
I just started reading it.

Are there other books similar to this that /lit/ would recommend?
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>>8502740
We're redpilled here, kid.

Take your atheism and leftism back to plebbit, sweetheart
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Embarrassing tier bookshelf material. Just slap it next to your copy of Fight Club and forget about getting laid.
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>>8502744
Believe it or not there are a lot of people on /lit/ who don't see the difference between lefty edgelords like OP and aut-right edgelords like you.

You were both angsty blank slates in high school, it's just someone else got to you first.

What are you reading tonight /lit/?
And what are you drinking? Red Wine Dornfielder, and Peter F. Hamilton's Pandora's Star for myself. So far so good... a lot of character story lines, but I'm enjoying it..
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Reading the beginning of this on a break from IJ for tonight because I'm 400 pages in and kind of burning out. Drinking black tea
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>>8502665
It's always good to have a back up "light reading" book on the backburner. I reckon, after this tome of a book, (Pandora's Star is 988 pages) I'll probably pick up something light hearted and short, before venturing on to the sequel and equally massive "Judas Unchained".
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The Gospel According to Jesus
coffee

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Was Joyce's use of dashes the greentext of the day?
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Nope
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I think it's an interesting connection, because he certainly used them for the occasional clarity and excuse to break the rules and be more brief, but I think there's more going on in Joyce's punctuation. He's trying to more honestly represent human communication, whereas greentext is simply trying to communicate quickly and more directly.
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>>8502621
No, not even close

What's the best edition of Shakespeare's tragedies, be it individual works or a collection?
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For individual plays, the Arden is very good.
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>>8502553
"The Family Shakespeare: in which nothing is added to the original Text: but those words and expressions are omitted which cannot with propriety be read aloud in a Family"
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I really like the old Yale series. The little blue books. You can get them on ebay as a full set quite cheap, I've bought two.

Otherwise I would just get a $5 used copy of Norton's collection of the tragedies. You can truly get them for the cost of shipping if you're comfortable with average condition and not having the newest edition. That's what my students usually get when tasked with reading the plays.

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Anyone here read Ryu Murakami? Is he any good?
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>>8502511
Overrated. Like Japanese films, it LOOKS like a novel but there's really no content. It's pure imitation of American or European models without anything inside, like a replicant out of Philip K Dick.
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I've been wanting to read Almost Transparent Blue, but haven't had any luck finding it in a book store. Will cave and buy it online eventually. Any anon that can tell us more about his work?
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Anyone who claims he's the "better Murakami" is only running on the confidence that not enough people have read Ryu to know that's horseshit. Not that Haruki is a great author, but he at least has a unique sense of style instead of Ryu's edgy sex and death shit slapped on top of truly mediocre unoriginal stories.

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