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We are criticizing psychoanalysis for having used Oedipal enunciation to make patients believe they would produce individual, personal statements, and would finally speak in their own name. The trap was set from the start: never will the Wolf-Man speak. Talk as he might about wolves, howl as he might like a wolf, Freud does not even listen; he glances at his dog and answers, 'It's daddy.' For as long as that lasts, Freud calls it neurosis; when it cracks, it's psychosis.

...at the very moment the subject is persuaded that he or she will be uttering the most individual of statements, he or she is deprived of all basis for enunciation. Silence people, prevent them from speaking, and above all, when they do speak, pretend they haven't said a thing: the famous psychoanalytic neutrality.

The Wolf-Man keeps howling: Six wolves! Seven wolves! Freud says, How's that? Goats, you say? How interesting. Take away the goats and all you have left is a wolf, so it's your father.
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>>8500368
>'It's daddy.'
As if Freud can be reduced to such a simple phrase.

Git gud
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>>8500433
yep it actually can
i can't believe the amount of freud nuthuggers that exist in this board it amazes me
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>>8500433
>>8501499
Guattari was a psychoanalyst while Deleuze was influenced by Freud and Lacan's theories of drives, repetition, erogeneity, etc.

It's just the Oedipal theater model of the unconscious that they had trouble with. What the quote in the OP doesn't show is that for D&G, even if the Oedipus Complex theory is correct, psychoanalysis still can't provide a solution to people's problems precisely because it gets stuck itself in the Complex while reducing everything to it. Maybe there are analysts out there who are much more subtle about it, but D&G had trouble with those who received patients stressed by social injustice for example abd who could only ask them about mommy and daddy.

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>Want to make index of the books I've read and own
>Decide to use Goodreads, hoping the site will recommend good stuff
>List almost all the books I've actually read
>(except library books throughout my life that I can't remember)
>Barely more than 115 books

I've read many classics and much pleb-tier, but 115'ish seems low. I'm a 27 year old male. My home library is fairly large physically, but it now feels like I haven't actually read that much. The only comfort is that the quality of what I've read is miles ahead of what my friends on Goodreads read (it uses your Facebook friend's list).

Be honest. How many books have you read?
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Somewhere around 200 but a lot of it was crap. Or kids books. Don't worry about how many, if like you said the books you have read were good quality. That probably means you are better at selecting decent lit to read, as opposed to someone who picks up books at random (and wonders why they suck.)
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I've read under 50 books in my life. Have read nearly all the famous Russian novels though, but that's not really an excuse.
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In the course of my entire life? Like 300

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>>8500305
Unbearable. He should have become a programmer or something.
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>>8500305
he's amazing. loved atlas, Europe central, 13 stories and his 2spooky4u ghost stories.
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>>8500320
you haven't read him. pleb detected

Can someone please suggest some book?

im dumb (thank god for auto correct), autistic (i think), have a doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde thing going on. Just trying to become "wiser"
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start with the greeks
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bottom's dreams
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jeremy commonforth - the urine tapes

is infinite jest meant to be something like an epistolary novel? what is the work's interior justification for its use of footnotes?
i'm only a third of the way through, so forgive me if it is explained later on, but i would like to know.
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also, is the opening chapter the only one told from the first person perspective?
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endnotes because tennis:)
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>>8500257
Its a meme book and you fell for it, get out now before you waste even more of your time

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So my take after an initial reading is humanity has become obsessed with death and extinction. Much like the Empty Ones of the Herero. So naturally they devise a bomb that will bring about the end of humanity. This why when the 00000 is launched a human must be inside. Humanity must be sacrificed in order for this creation to exist. But then there's Slothrop. This is where I get confused. He's the only thing that can stop this? Hence his search for the bomb. But in the end he ceases to exist? Perhaps isn't even real? But just a common belief in the human race that maybe they have a chance to stop their extinction?

I definitely need to read this again. Or perhaps I'm just a pseud trying to make sense out of nothing.
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>>8500248
Killing people just gives them sexual pleasure.
>This why when the 00000 is launched a human must be inside
He puts his sex slave inside
>He's the only thing that can stop this? Hence his search for the bomb.
He can't. He was just experimented on as a child and is just trying to find out why.
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>>8500248
>humanity has become
No, they always were
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Wait is Byron the light bulb an allegory for Slothrop?

Why do adults write childrens stories?

What are the best childrens authors?

Do u know of any good documentaries or books on the philosphies of childrens stories?
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Because children suck at it.
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>Why do adults write children's stories?

Often because their own childhood sucked ass, actually.
A.A. Milne's father died when he was 12.
Hans Christian Andersen's father died when he was 9.
Lewis Carroll's mother died when he was 18.
Mark Twain's father died when he was 11.
Lucy Maud Montgomery's mother died when she was almost 2.
Kenneth Grahame's mother died when he was 5.
Roald Dahl's father died when he was 3.
P.L. Travers's father died when she was 7.
C.S. Lewis's mother died when he was 9.
Lucy M. Boston's father died when she was 6.
Frances Hodgson Burnett's father died when she was 3.
When you look behind a children's classic, you very often find a lost childhood. It isn't always a dead parent--J.M. Barrie's loss of his older brother (who was 13) when Barrie was 6 cast a deep shadow on his life, as did Rudyard Kipling's exile from India to abusive stepparents when he was 5--but it is prevalent enough that whenever I look at a great author now, I ask "Why did you write a book for children?" and there is often the beginning of an answer in the author's own broken early life.
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>>8500224
>What are the best childrens authors?

Roald Dahl without a doubt, when I was a kid I read all of his books like 4 times each, such a great man.

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So he dressed up as a girl, smoked crack and sucked dick, to see what it would be like to be a female prostitute so he could write about it? What a meme.
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He has the face of someone who hunts for government secrets in the backyard, snout to the ground, and dismisses perfectly good mushrooms or perhaps - only incidentaly, mindlessly - sets them aside for those of his hours unaccounted for.
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love me some vollmann
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>>8500038
Soooooooooo he's gay?

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"Landlord! I've changed my mind about the harpooneer. I shan't sleep with him. I'll try the bench here."
"Just as you please; I'm sorry I can't spare ye a tablecloth for a mattress. But wait, skrimshander; I've got a carpenter's plane in the bar. Wait, I say, and I'll make ye snug enough."

I thought this was supposed to be a story about manly men doing manly men things, not something this C U T E!!!
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>>8499977
>I thought this was supposed to be a story about manly men doing manly men things, not something this C U T E!!!
I know right? That's just what I thought when I got to that part of the story when I started reading it about a week ago. Quequeg and ishmael are the cutest couple, that was like yaoi tier when quequeg put his arm lovingly around ishmael.
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men could show affection to each other without being seen as gay or effeminate in the past
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>>8500187
Which was really handy if you were gay

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NEW GAME:
so /lit/ we name classic works of literature and those of us who have never read the book will try and summarise the plot/themes based on what they have heard from popular culture, the title, references, /lit/ memes etc. no googling before-hand, doesnt matter whether you are totally wrong or even mistake it for a different book.

starters:
1. anna karenina - tolstoy
2. hamlet - shakespeare
3. the heart of darkness - conrad
4. slaughterhouse 5 - vonnegut
5. republic - plato
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>>8499917
Those are too hard.

>Moby Dick
>To Kill A Mockingbird
>Catcher in the Rye
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>>8499917
>>8500469
>cant play fun /lit/ games because i've read all of these

WHY EVEN LIVE
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>>8500469
have read all of OPs

is to kill a mocking bird about a black guy who does something wrong and then a white attorney getting him acquitted?

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So am I the only one who actually finds reading is sometimes difficult and actually requires so much effort that it actually feels like your brain is physically exercising like it were a muscle or something, or does everyone else engage in reading without any struggle, but just decides arbitrarily whether or not they want to engage with what they're reading or whether or not they want to actually put in the effort to trying to understand it? Because I gotta be honest with you, reading actually wears me the fuck out sometimes, and I never appreciated the joys of light thinking activity until I started reading really heavy literature, when I put down the book and don't have to think so hard about reading it.
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Your brain does indeed need to exercise, like a muscle to maintain and expand it's processing power.

Doing things you struggle with is good because it means you are pushing your limits; don't see struggle as a sign that you are doing something wrong, but a sign that you are doing something right.

Do you not also find difficult tasks more satisfying to complete than easy ones?
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I had to stop reading in the morning because I felt sluggish for the entire day. I do it at night now and feel like I might be getting better sleep because of it
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>>8499997
Sometimes when I'm laying in bed reading I have to put down the book and get away from the bed because otherwise I'll feel an overwhelming urge to fall asleep, which has happened numerous times, and I am not a fan of mid day naps.

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Is this board mostly neets or social outcasts/reclusives?

I recently decided to drop out of society completely and focus on reading books and trying to become an author
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>>8499880
how do i drop out of the social world to read but still get invited to stuff?
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>>8499883
stuff like what
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You can be stay-at-home 5 days a week to work on /lit/ shit and do weekends with your friends. Isn't that how people who regularly work spend their lives? Works fairly well for me, not hard to enjoy books while paying attention to the world around you so you have stuff to talk to people about.

One thing I currently can't wrap my head around is maintaining a relationship, thinking about my past gfs and the lifestyle I'm maintaining right now I can't imagine having a girl around other than a secretary. Too much mental and time-intensive effort involved.

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Hey guys, I just got into reading and decided to pick up some books. What do you think of my collection, am I in for a good time?
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>>8499865
Missing Ulysses / 10
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>>8499865
let me know how the gold bug variations is
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>>8499865
put the vollman in the fucking garbage

other than that, you're set

welcome to the club

Find a flaw.
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>>8499854
It's shit. It felt like it was written for a 12 year old. I read 30 pages or so and found myself too annoyed by the author trying to be cheeky so I deleted it off my phone
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>>8499854
>Went into Charing Cross foyles on a whim
>Picked it up and read a random page
>literally Bazinga tier references, not to mention oddly fedoralike writing style
How is shit so popular with normies? It's not even a good setting.
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>>8499854
it's adored by SJWs

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Everyone bright i know is learning how to code and write apps so they can get $$$$, and h..here I am trying to f...finish my n..novel.
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>>8499834
only do things that directly fuels your heart
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>>8499834
If it makes you feel better they almost certainly won't make a penny
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>>8499834
What made him think he was ready? he's never been in a mma fight, only sparred with his trainers. WTF?

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