/lit/! I was perusing the stacks today and came across a copy of M&D. For all of us that have had to be overbared by this work while digging through posts, I thought we might discuss.
For those that don't know, M&D is Mason and Dixon by Thomas Pynchon. Pynchon gets his fair share of 'miration over on this way. for reasons too many to sumarise succinctly for a non-pynchon reader like myself.
So lets do this one more time. Pynchon thread.
>>8504886
I was gonna make a thread about this but I may as well post it here:
Does anyone know what age Pynch started writing? Because I'm reading The Small Rain write now and HOLY SHIT is it sophomoric. Like it's hard to believe this is the same person that wrote Gravity's Rainbow. Like it's actually kind of uplifting to think that it's possible to go from that bad to that good in that space of time.
Hi /lit,
I had the chance to experience living in another country almost 180 degrees different than mine for a time long enough and I travelled around many different places and countries in that time. I wasn't a tourist but more like a traveler during this time. I have met with many different people and I have changed completely from the point I have started to the point I returned home and I have found myself exactly in the shoes of Frodo and ever since than I am restless.
Thus I want to turn to literature to express myself and find some rest. I want to write about my experience in an existentialist way as such that a man realizes himself through his journey. I will not go as far as to describe a man's journey to achieve an übermensch state of mind but it will include many themes of overcoming an old "weaker" self.
Are there any examples of this kind of memoir/travelling literature that I can check? I am not sure how to set the balance between the philosophical side and the traveling aspect in the text and I don't want it to become a kind of edgelord story either.
Any insights on this?
please reply
>>8504777
Where have you been?
>>8505487
Finland
Any one else hyped for this movie? I loved the book and the movie looks great
>>8504752
Haven't read a women in over 3 years. So I'm not hyped and will avoid it at all costs
Book set in England changed to be set in New York probably so they can film in Vancouver to save money. Deflate your hype balloons it will be shit or decent
>>8504771
This is the worst fucking meme
DUDE WEED LMAO
>>8504527
My favorite part was when he smoked a bong with his college friends after banging a hot slut who sucked his cock after having unprotected sex which means she licked her own vaginal juices and feels like it should be sexy but actually feels more disgusting than it should, like giving oral to a girl after cumming inside her, it is still technically your fluids so it's not gay in any way but it still feels wrong and I wouldn't do it no way in hell.
let me comma instead of period
Its caled streme of consiusnes like the great tecnik james joice and wil falkner use in their fiction and makes me a great riter if i do the same also i dont use puntuation like my hero mcarty
what does /lit/ think of this book. worth the read?
>>8504521
It's a masterpiece.
>>8504521
yeah I liked it A lot. it's pretty wacky. I liked when he was in the hut. he should have stayed with that hooker.
It's very good. Even if the main character struck me as lonrandum at times, as far as I remember.
Wow. I don't know what was more of a disappointment. This or Bottom's Dream.
>>8504424
2patrician4u
>>8504424
/lit/ won't be usable this month, will it
Not even out long enough to read it and you're already complaining
What's going on? I said.
>>8504283
Juan Garcia Madero wrote the whole novel. He was following his heroes and writing about them, thinking they would do something great but they ended up doing nothing particularly relevant to literature. Madero himself is an unknown, as described by the so called "expert" despite hos novel being the only relevant work on the movement.
Also, taking into account the second part starts and ends in the sane section and date, the novel is technically in chronological order.
If you place the third part before the second, you can see the evolucion of madero's proce to that what is used in the second part.
The old poet lady is a metaphor of looking for some unknown author trying to find something revolutionary and finding nothing.
The whole novel is a metaphor for unfulfilled potential.
>>8504315
>The old poet lady is a metaphor of looking for some unknown author trying to find something revolutionary and finding nothing.
Have you read Amuleto?
It's Auxilio's part of the history where she was trapped inside UNAM's bathrooms during the forced occupation of the school by the military.
I don't think the Savage Detectives is about unfulfilled potential, I think it's about growing up andr ealizing that you cannot win all the battles life puts you through, you either learn from it, or you die thinking the world is plotting against you, that's why you either keep moving or wither and die.
>>8504422
Have not read amuleto actually. Just SD, some of his poetry, and currently on the part of the crimes in 2666.
The reason I feel the novel is about unfullfilled potential is how the whole second part follows all the characters in their club of visceral realists and none of them ever create the literary revolution they wanted to create. Some get lost in personal life, some are tied up by economic or family problema, one is even killed before as a young man. The two who remained the most true to the literary lifestyle (lima and belano) are both unable to truly make a difference with their writing, Lima is much to caught with his personal inadequacies to produce something worthwhile and Bolano, on the other hand, is distracted too much with experiencing as much life as he can but is unable to put it into paper despite his varied life experiences. At the end he finds out he has a deadly disease and does not have the time to accuately portray what he wanted into writing. That in itself may be a metaphor of however long we live, we will still feel as if our time was never enough to reach our full potential as a person.
I feel the whole novel is Bolaño looking back at his failure as a poet (as well as the failure of his own university club "the infrarealist" and that of his best friend, whom ulises lima is modeled after) and realizing that sometimes you don't end up doing what you dreamed you would be doing back when you were young and full of potential.
Ironically, this novel about his own personal failure as an artist was the work that ended up propelling him into international recognition in the literary world.
>We will enable you to be in love, without the fall
>Coffee without milk
>>8504241
It's coffee without caffeine, retart
So, just how is a raven like a writing desk?
>>8504186
both can speak without being understood
>>8504186
Poe wrote on both
CAW!
>The Brothers Karamazov is better than The Idiot
>>8504103
Thanks Doc
>>8504103
She looks like she walks around with her tits out and then get upset when you look
Pero it is. Also
>Grimes
Is there anything spiritual (or "mystic") to be found in computer programming?
Anybody has references along those lines?
No, there isn't. But there's something mystic about a hypothetical automatic theorem proving program that will be able to solve, on its own, conjectures never solved before, even by prodigy mathematicians. Many AI experts swear by it, saying that it is an inevitability, that "it is not a matter of *how* but *when*" and other type of similar bullshit. They only think this because they were raised and grew up reading sci-fi novels that let their imagination run wild, so naturally, they cling and latch onto various improbable, apocalyptic even (strong AI etc. fantasies), future predictions and scenarios. This can also be explained by the fact that they know virtually no Philosophy and as a corollary make the same silly mistakes as the previous generations.
>>8504093
the nine billion names of god
>>8504135
To emphasize a point of my question, I'm asking about computer programming. The act of programming.
In the sense that having sex or meditating is associated with spirituality.
how do you get better at describing things? and how much is too much?
You need to become a better observer to describe things better. Too much is too much when the details do nothing for the book.
I don't know the exact quote, but a Russian author I believe said that if you say there is a gun on the wall in act 1 it should fire by act 3
You need to step up your pussy game. Once you do all answers will become clear and you don't even have to think about it as pen touches paper.
>>8504075
Chekov
Who is the Gustav Mahler of Literature?
HONK HONK WEEWAHHH WEEWAHHH WEEWAHH
>>8504048
How is it going, you troglodyte?
Legend of the galactic heroes
pynchon's voice is so fucking sexy
>DUDE WEED LMAO voice is sexy
>ok kid a computer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjWKPdDk0_U
>>8503905
go back to /mu/ fagit
>>8503925
>implying anyone on /mu/ has the mental capability to even know who Thomas Pynchon is
Are there novels that capture the spirit of this video: the lyrical word-play, the hip violence and edgy sex?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaQ94Mord9A
>>8503861
I don't know because books with s-x are for perverts
>>8503871
>sex is for perverts
don't knock it till u try it
>>8504036
It always amazes me that there are so many people on a board for reading that have very bad reading comprehension.