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Welcome to the Short Story Reading Group! All are invited to join in at any time, or to come and go as you please. Thank you all for participating.

>Araby by James Joyce
>2,330 words
>Reading time: 12 minutes

>Poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/12136710

Discussions start in this thread and will finish on Thursday. The next reading is A Hunger Artist by Franz Kafka (4,087 words). Discussion for it will run Friday through Saturday.

>ebook
https://mega.nz/#F!tVUyAAya!MhE3co1AQ3tXjLS-iX4CTw
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dubliners/Araby

Pro tip: On the left side of Wikisource you can click "Download as EPUB" to download a well formatted epub.

>audiobook
https://archive.org/details/Araby_280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nT_qPiPaDs

>ebook for next reading
http://www.kafka.org/index.php?aid=166

>Many stories will be pulled from The World's Greatest Short Stories (Dover Thrift Editions) which is $4
http://www.bookdepository.com/The-Worlds-Greatest-Short-Stories-James-Daley/9780486447162

Old threads:
>>8975029 The Yellow Wall Paper - C.P. Gilman
>>8956892 The Man Who Would Be King #2 - Kipling
>>8951620 The Man Who Would Be King #1 - Kipling
>>8919723 The Death of Ivan Ilyich - Tolstoy
>>8898002 Bartleby, the Scrivener - Melville
>>8889062 The Necklace - Maupassant
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what is this
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Will get to this in the next few hours.
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Will read after work

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Got these today because I'm a conformist pleb.
>but everyone tells me to read it!
I promise I'll take a chance next time for a random book but I just couldn't resist.
Inb4 bad translations
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>>8988760
bad translations
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>>8988764
Why does everyone hate me?
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>not getting the penguin classics
neck yourself my dude

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Hello, recently started reading some books about political theory. So far i read The Prince and Two Treatises of Goverment by John Locke.
Now i want to read more about state organization and Separation of powers, should i continue with Leviathan by Hobbes or with Montesquieu's "Of The Spirit of The Laws"?
Is Leviathan just a book defending Absolute Monarchies?

Thank you in advance
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>>8988299
Leviathan began the foundation of liberal, democratic thought.

Very puzzled why you didn't just start with Leviathan, Locke and Rousseau and whoever are impossible to fully understand without Hobbes. Actually, read the Prince before you do anything else.
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>>8988313
>Very puzzled why you didn't just start with Leviathan, Locke and Rousseau and whoever are impossible to fully understand without Hobbes. Actually, read the Prince before you do anything else.

Thank you anon , i already read the prince, i will go for Hobbes next then. Any other essential books about the subject?
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>>8988299
Leviathan is more about power adapting to social change. Get a background in these guys, particularly Rousseau, then study the French Revolution in depth. Everything has been a derivative of it as an event.

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Thomas Pynchon's pictures Thread
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>>8987360
lol

I'm a big fan of Charles Stross and William Gibson. Can anyone recommend any other works by other authors in the same vein?

Bonus points for: economic warfare, corporate espionage, grey-area mercenaries, anti-censorship hackers, personal revenge/vendettas, future drugs/pharmaceuticals, China/Taiwan/Russia cyber warfare.
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infowars
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>>8987263
Isn't that a /pol/ website
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>>8987232
Islands in the net

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Hello, /lit/. Could you please recommend me any books about buddhism? I'm trying out various doctrines (if it can be called that), and it seems interesting.
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>>8987226
Siddharta by Herman Hesse is a good way to put Western readers into a more Eastern mindset, or for inspiration, but is not very accurate. I suggest starting with for for inspiration.

Also, if you are familiar with Greek Philosophy there is a great book out there called "21st Century, the age of Sophia : the Wisdom of Greek philosophy and the Wisdom of the Buddha," another way to compare and contrast the Western tradition with the Eastern.

Beyond those two, there are many great books out there that summarize such ideas, such as The Religions Book by DK, or the Dummies series.

For more in depth and advanced reading, the Sutras are essential.
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>>8987323
Thanks :)
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>>8988888
>wasting quints on a bump
You will die by Kek's slimy hand.

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Fantasy
Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg
General:
>https://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg

Science Fiction
Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/IBs9KE8.jpg
General:
>https://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://i.imgur.com/IJxTQBL.jpg

Previous Thread: >>8979294
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first for robert anton wilson
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>>8982809

Currently reading Ciaphas Cain and the black company too. I really like both desu. But does Dreams of Steel ever get good? im about half way through and its pretty bad/dull and are the later books as good as the first 4? I just find Lady's chapters boring as she builds her army. But at least Croker isnt dead like i thought he was at the end of Book 3


Although from its reputation i really expected some dark shit but it seems rather tame to me apart from the child rape in Book 1 (but the rapers get killed instantly). Hell Lady isnt evil really.

Croaker is just great though

>>8983124

The Lady and soul catcher are always described as attractive but everyone is too spooked to make a move
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i'm trying my hand at a fantasy novel, what do you guys think

>Taking my hand in hers, I turned towards the Death Magician. Glancing backwards, I saw Crimson’s eyes begin to water, her tears like golden sapphires against her ivory cheek. Gritting my teeth, I placed the back of my hand across her face and cradled her beautiful flesh. I wasn’t about to let a demon ruin everything. Everything I had worked so hard to protect. Ever since the death of my parents I’ve always felt this outrageous and tempestuous urge to protect the living, and I wasn’t about to let some freak ruin it all. Originias curse pulsed on the back of my neck as I took out my sword. A pain in the neck. Literally.
>“Hey, asshole”, I say defiantly.
>“Are you ready?” he smirked cruelly as he interrupts me. Taken aback, I ask in a tentative way,
>“ready to what?” I barked back, my fists clenching.
>“Ready to die!”
>He rushed forward and yanked my arm out of it’s socket, but at this point I could no longer feel pain. I laugh. And then plunge my hand straight through his chest. Startled, he howled in trepidation and his dragon tattoos convulsed, as the creatures below us hissed in a penurious attitude. But then, something happened. Something that I would never forget. Not even on my deathbed would I ever forget this. Even that moment when Chrysalis raped and tortured my mother, paled in comparison to this. Stuck inside this anfractuous maze, with my hand stuck inside the demon's chest, Crimson took a step forward and

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When I was younger I was an atheist because of these men, minus the impulse to convince or convert the religious to my way. I've always stood in awe of Christianity. As I grow older, I begin to doubt what before, to me, was a simple, obvious truth, that there is no god.

What books or authors might help navigate me through these strange times?
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Also might the new atheists by some strange twist have impelled more people toward faith?
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Man and his symbols
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>>8984343
Pic related is a good read if you want a competent defense of the other side's point of view. He responds to some points his brother made in God Is Not Great and responds to Dawkins too.

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Kindly recommend me some works that will help me get started on practising meditation.
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Just sit criss cross apple sauce and breathe, you dont need a book
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Practical Meditations for Busy Souls, the Headspace app (not a book but great for beginners), and Wherever You Are, There You are.
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>>8984245
zen mind beginners mind

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What are some actual good self-help books?

what does everyone think of the power of now?
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It ruined my life for a couple of years, friend.

It puts you in that never ending cycle of "I should be living more in the in the Now - Am I doing it now? - How about Now?". It's like protestant self-flagellation.

Wouldn't recommend it.
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The Power of Now is very roughly a scheme marketed towards gullible people, providing them with sentimental agitation and a reductionist pseudo-philosophy.

Books that portray themselfes as "self-help" usually cater to the lower denominator for the sake of increased business revenue -- it's a huge market after all, both in terms of money and prestige.

This is true of most New Age spirituality anyhow. Sometimes these asshats try to be sneaky and throw the word "ancient" in somewhere, quoting selectively and carrying interpretations out of context, but I have studied enough traditional sources to have a well founded reason for my contempt of the pop-spiritual scene.

Fuck these hacks, you're better off studying the mystic oldtimers and brilliant philosophers through first hand sources.
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>>8984307
But the concept of the self-help genre doesn't seem inherently flawed. It may be oversaturated with new age, but I feel like the primary purpose of these books is to inspire. Are there any reputable inspirational books? Obviously there are plenty of books that could inspire, but I'm thinking of more directly communicative inspiration / motivation.

Ideally, a good self-help book would provide a practical framework that's sound in its methodology while also providing inspiration.

Am I best off reading books on ethics?

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>modern art is shit! t-tolstoy told me it was!

Is this statement the mark of a true tasteless pleb who can't see past the whole "hurr it's detailed ergo it's good" bullshit?
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Literally shit on a canvas
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>>8983721
it's a telling sign, to be sure
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How can Tolstoy trash something that didn't exist until well after he died?

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Only god tier opening lines are allowed in this thread, I'll start with a classic.

“Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta."
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>>8980652
"For a long time I used to go to bed early."
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Call me Ishmael.
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It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.

Jane Austen has god tier irony that many Ameriplebs just dont get

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Post 'em. Also, how do you guys sort your books? By author, publisher, region, theme?
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>>8979171
I sort them by authors first name
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Mine are sorted by date published
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>>8979171
I alphabatize mine according to the author's country of origin

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Give me some recommendations on books that portray war as hell, like diaries from the soldiers point of view
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Game of thrones a feast for crows
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>>8976649
I'd prefer real work stuff, WW1 and 2 would be perfect
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>>8976647
All Quiet on the Western Front
Catch-22
WWI poetry

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Why do we still care about Postmodernism when it was BTFO in the 90s?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

>In 1996, Sokal submitted an article to Social Text, an academic journal of postmodern cultural studies. The submission was an experiment to test the journal's intellectual rigor and, specifically, to investigate whether "a leading North American journal of cultural studies – whose editorial collective includes such luminaries as Fredric Jameson and Andrew Ross – [would] publish an article liberally salted with nonsense if (a) it sounded good and (b) it flattered the editors' ideological preconceptions".[2]

>"The results of my little experiment demonstrate, at the very least, that some fashionable sectors of the American academic Left have been getting intellectually lazy. The editors of Social Text liked my article because they liked its conclusion: that "the content and methodology of postmodern science provide powerful intellectual support for the progressive political project" [sec. 6]. They apparently felt no need to analyze the quality of the evidence, the cogency of the arguments, or even the relevance of the arguments to the purported conclusion."
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This triggers the /lit/
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>>8972840
We don't care about postmodernism today but this argument was stupid. There are lots of ways of critiquing continental thought but this is not one of them.

This essay was basically the equivalent of Pissgate. Write a hoax article, watch people freak out. It doesn't mean they are freaking out over nothing. It means that shit is complicated. But a total fucking assbag could seriously believe that the hoax of something they didn't understand and did not want to understand is actually a hoax at all. It is LOL i trolled u memetier silliness by grown adults who really should have known better.

Don't get it twisted. Hysterical postmodernism is retarded. But if S&B wanted to actually further the philosophical project they could have engaged in the arguments like grown-ass men instead of teenagers.

Truth actually is relative. The fact that their experiment 'worked' is actually a pretty clear indication of that. But this is why S&B are such cunts. Because they didn't give a fuck about philosophy: all they wanted was to be right, which is exactly what the poststructuralists were looking into with a great deal more care and circumspection.

If you sneak into a church and take a shit on the altar, does that prove anything? Not really. You weren't struck by any lightning bolts. All it shows is that you couldn't be bothered to raise your head above the ground and look at the stained-glass windows or the masonry or the illuminated texts. Nah. Who cares about that, right?

This is all those retards accomplished.
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>>8972840
Positivist detected

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