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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Holy fuck, I just heard about this. In 1953 the uk and us overthrew the popularly supported liberal secular leader mossadegh and the us and uk backed reza pehlavi shah took over, whose shitty ruled indirectly caused the islamic revolution

What the fuck is this.

I've been fascinated by persian art, music, dance, and history, and currently its being slowly rot because of the islamic republic. Maybe if mossadegh was allowed to keep power, persia would have developed as a secular republic. What do you think?
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>>1529059
Honestly it would have just turned into another Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Libya most likely.
Then again Iran is doing alright even with their shitty islamic system, perhaps there was hope.
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SHUT IT DOWN
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The Tudeh party were wankers who used political violence to get into power.

TPAJAX was stupid, but Mossedegh did kind of deserve it.

>Like his father, Kim had a fear of flying[101] and always traveled by private armored train for state visits to Russia and China.[102] The BBC reported that Konstantin Pulikovsky, a Russian emissary who traveled with Kim across Russia by train, told reporters that Kim had live lobsters air-lifted to the train every day and ate them with silver chopsticks.[103]
>Kim was said to be a huge film fan, owning a collection of more than 20,000 video tapes and DVDs.[104][105] His reported favourite movie franchises included James Bond, Friday the 13th, Rambo, Godzilla and Hong Kong action cinema,[106][107] with Sean Connery and Elizabeth Taylor his favourite male and female actors.[106][108]
>In a 2011 news story, The Sun reported "Kim Jong-il was obsessed with Elvis Presley. His mansion was crammed with his idol's records and his collection of 20,000 Hollywood movies included Presley's titles – along with Rambo and Godzilla. He even copied the King's Vegas-era look of giant shades, jumpsuits and bouffant hairstyle. It was reported in 2003 that Kim Jong-il had a huge porn film collection."[111]

Was he one of us?
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I don't act like a disgusting nouveau-riche pleb, no.
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>>1529045
>Although Kim enjoyed many foreign forms of entertainment, according to former bodyguard Lee Young Kuk, he refused to consume any food or drink not produced in North Korea, with the exception of wine from France.[112] His former chef Kenji Fujimoto, however, has stated that Kim sometimes sent him around the world to purchase a variety of foreign delicacies.[113]
>calling this plebery
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>>1529048
More like Le young Cock

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Were Daoists the NEET's of their time?

Believing in non action, withdrawal from politics and court, to seize striving and living a simple life, education and human involvement being a "sin"

as one of their books say "you do not have to look out your window to know the world"
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>>1528990
Taoists dont believe in non action, they believe in not acting before nature. Its such a varied religion with so many different sects and beliefs that its hard to nail down

If you dont think taoists were very active, look at the yellow turban rebellion.
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>>1528990
>non action
>he thinks Taoism advocates not doing anything

Western cucks who can't into eastern philosophy will never not be funny
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>>1528990

Nah, taoists do stuff, they just try to act in harmony with nature.

Zen Buddhists are the OG NEETS, they literally sit in their parents basement doing nothing.

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How did Europeans think of God in the Middle Ages? Was he a big man in the sky?
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>>1528967
>How did Europeans think of God in the Middle Ages? Was he a big man in the sky?
Why don't you go and ask them.
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>>1528969
But anon, they're all dead!
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>>1528967
For you.

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has any /his/torian read this? Is this shit good?
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also this one
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>>1528922
I read about half of it for a basic history course

It was pretty interesting, especially the account of his early life
but expect bias like "Genghis Khan invented x" or just general exaggerations about how great a warrior he was
I mean he was great and all but some stuff in the book just seems a bit far fetched
haven't read the second book.
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>>1528922

I found it to be an interesting narrative concerning a historical figure whose background I had not been acquainted with. I was informed, and yes, entertained, although the book is geared more toward a general audience. I would recommend it, especially since it's not long.

There are two caveats with this: I have a personal bias in that I went to college just up the road from where the author was teaching at the time (hasn't he gone native/gone to live Ulan Bator or some shit?), and the author visited the proper history course where we had the text as assigned reading, and he talked a bit about the mongols, so that was rather cool.

So on the one hand, I have a personal bias in that I "liked reading the book", to say nothing of scholarly rigor, and have a little personal history relating to it. On the other hand, I have heard that more serious /his/torical types have criticized the book as being revisionist (whatever that is supposed to mean in the present context), "pop history", etc. So just be aware of these criticisms OP. I still say read it, of course, just keep that critical brain active like you're supposed to, and then read into the above criticisms as you are inclined.

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Were people happier under monarchies?
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We have monarchies today.

Ask the residents of Tonga, Saudi Arabia, Swaziland and Thailand.
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>>1528860
No.
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>>1528860
>Is it surprising that the people could see their fate and that of the world only as an endless succession of evils? Bad government, exactions, the cupidity and violence of the great, wars and brigandage, scarcity, misery and pestilence -- to this is contemporary history neatly reduced in the eyes of the people. The feeling of general insecurity which was caused by the chronic form wars were apt to take, by the constant menace of the dangerous classes, by the mistrust of justice, was further aggravated by the obsession of the coming end of the world, and by the fear of hell, of sorcerers and devils. The background of all life in the world seems black. Everywhere the flames of hatred arise and injustice reigns. Satan covers a gloomy earth with his somber wings. In vain the militant Church battles, preachers deliver their sermons; the world remains unconverted. According to a popular belief, current towards the end of the fourteenth century, no one, since the beginning of the great Western schism, had entered Paradise.

--Johan Huizinga, the Waning of the Middle Ages

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>Be jew of Polish descent
>Hate jews and blacks
>Be part of the KKK and the Nazi Party
>People know you are a kike
>Other Nazis bully you
>Kill yourself
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Sounds like a pussy ass bitch to me.
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>>1528824
So sad ;~;
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Literally /pol/

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Things underages and retards believe were awesome but were pure shit thread

>knights
>vikings
>swords
>AK-47
>Spartans
>ninjas
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This thread.
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>>1528686
>things faggots overrate that triggers faggot op so much he swings to the complete other end of the spectrum as a reaction but were really just meh
Ftfy
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>OP
Oh wait everyone believes that.

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Name one person who did more to deconstruct religion and science at the same time?
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>>1528668
On Money is a good read.
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>>1528668
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Why it still continues though.

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I think Social Sciences is a useless classification. Academic disciplines should either belong to humanities or to the natural sciences.
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>>1528665

I completely agree.
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>>1528674
What happened there?
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>>1528665
I think it's a nod to how the "Social Sciences" use an inductive format resembling that of the Natural Sciences, but, like the Humanities, have trouble finding the proof to turn theory into law. Economists can't just crash the economy "to see what happens" the way chemists perform an experiment.

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>inb4 but vikings didn't burn their own villages!


except vikings were killing each other over insults otherwise they risked the drengr status and could in turn be killed without any reperecussions so muh united norsemen my fucking ass.
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>someone posts a le vikings were shit thread again
>immediately some other anon posts another
Every time
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You would probably get more of the attention you want in /pol/ most people in /his/ know that vikings were overrated now let's make room for better threads.
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>>1528663
>killing each other over insults

Yeah man, imagine the horror if men today had honor!

What savagery, it would be hell on Earth.

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>be viking
>raid Irish monasteries
>Irish monks get their shit together and hire monastery levies to protect them
>get rekt by said levies twice


lmao so much for ''they excelled in raiding'' excuse for sucking in pitched battles apparently the only thing they excelled at is running away
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>be vikings
>build the only important Irish cities
>irish chimp out
>defend yourself against irish barbarians
>more and more irish savages keep coming
>eventually forced out
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>>1528717
>implying vikings were civilized

lmao their ''architecture'' is Africa tier
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>>1528731
Compared to the irish? Yes they were

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Woah vikings were shit.
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>people who treat war as a for-profit enterprise lose to people who treat war as a government service

Color me shocked.
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Woowee the stuff you learn on /his/
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>>1528533
Then why the fuck everyone says vikings were such great and fearless warriors?

What's a good translation of pic related?
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Maude
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>>1528438
>Maude
Awesome, thank you.
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>>1528447
No probs man.

If you want to be fancy get the Everyman edition

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Overall has religion been a bigger hindrance or help to knowledge? I want to immediately say of course it hindered of the bat, but:

Some argue that the Catholic church helped tremendously by setting up universities and focusing on improving medicine in the medieval era.
At the same time you had people like Bacon and Copernicus who could die for questioning anything that didn't fit with Christianity. Was it much different on other continents?
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Just be yourself :)
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I think it's worth pointing out that the caste responsible for keeping track of the calendar in the earliest (Neolithic/bronze age) civilizations was almost always the priests. Come to think of it, I can't think of even one exception to this pattern.
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>>1528416
Please do not conflate Catholicism with Christianity.

They're two entirely separate entities.

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