Who are some philosophers that completely shut down hedonism and libertines?
If not philosophers to name, what are works that argue against a life of pleasure?
Should note that I am not hedonistic.
Are you saying a life of pleasure is unwarranted?
Or, that excessive pleasure is negative?
>>9164687
The latter
>>9164332
>Who are some philosophers that completely shut down hedonism and libertines?
Almost all of them.
Anyone ever read Journey to the West? Which is the best version?
I've heard lots of people say Arthur Waley's abridged version is best because it cuts out a lot of the monster-of-the-week filler, but I've also heard people say Waley's interpretation of Tripitaka is completely flawed and to go with Anthony Yu's translation instead.
Also what's the best version of Romance of the Three Kingdoms? A new translation just came out in 2014 but I haven't heard anyone compare it to Robert's version so I don't know which one to get
>>9164231
I have both Monkey and the 3 volume green chinese classics version, which has very thin pages, and feels a bit like a manga. I've read about 1/3 of Monkey, and loved it, but wanted to go ahead and read the whole thing. I also grabbed Outlaws of the Marsh, but just went ahead with an abridgement with that. I have a cool site that shows all the 108 stars from the story, really cool shit:
http://www.kuniyoshiproject.com/The%20108%20Heroes%20of%20the%20Popular%20Suikoden,%20Part%20I.htm
also, you might look into "tales from a chinese studio". but all in all, the ultra-meme, epic master tier book of ancient china, is apparently "The Investiture of the Gods". the only translations I can find are one that's just an inferior work, and is damned by the very few reviews I could find, then, an extremely expensive edition, that seems to be a somewhat better translation, though no reviews to confirm this are available. Oh and another thing, there was a guy who wrote a sort of fantasy novel series, starting with the book "bridge of birds" by barry hughart. I haven't gotten around to any of this stuff, since I end up researching more than I actually read, but this should be at least a good head start to some of the stuff available.
eh i guess i shouldn't have bothered lol
>>9164248
>I end up researching more than I actually read
I fall into the same rut. I guess I should stop fretting and just read one. I'm just gonna go to the library and see what versions they got.
About that The Investiture of the Gods book you mentioned, the only copies I can find are by Katherine Chew. Is that the shitty version you mentioned? I probably won't get around to reading it until after JTTW, that's at the top of my list right now
inmigrantes
>>9164089
mein kampf
>>9164089
Seaso of migration to the north
>>9164089
Okay. Perhaps I am in idiot.
Can someone give me a few examples of man vs. Author?
Sincerely
I. Diot
Can someone explain me Schopenhauer's argument for philosophical idealism.
Afaik he was atheist and I always find it hard to wrap my head around non-religious arguments for idealism.
>>9163954
Did you read Kant?
>>9164005
No. He was religious though. I assumed their argument would be different.
>>9164238
Kant wasnt religious wtf
and idealism need not have any religious arguments for it
>tfw doing Philosophy in college and loving every second of it
Philosophy is the comfiest major I swear. Let's get some positivity going on this board. Who else loves/loved their major(s)?
>>9163858
Fuck all that. I saw Hidden Figures, STEMfagging is the only way! Changed my major before the semester started.
>>9163858
I love my major, math, because it allows me to avoid all people who live outside my house and requires no public speaking on my part. I don't plan on using it after I graduate and I hate programming. I would major in Philosophy if the department at my school wasn't pure shit and I'd major in English if they let me study from home and let me read and study and keep to myself. I'm going through some health problems so it's kind of difficult for me to go into public for a long time. I'm somewhat hopeful however that things may change in the future.
>>9163858
Majoring in computer science but focusing on network security so when the authoritarian left sends robot death squads in I will hack them to work for me.
Prove to me the pipe strip wasn't engraved millennium ago, when Moses descended Mount Sinai with the ten commandments.
>>9163707
Please stop trying to force this reddit tier shit
Life gets funny when the cat's now smoking your pipe.
isn't jim davis a billionaire? krk
Why does society fetishize dying young?
1) because dying old fucking sucks ass. im old as hell and can tell you for sure this is so.
2) because dead people never change, we can keep our mental image of them for as long as we live, unperturbed by any new developments in the reality of their being that might disrupt the pleasant layer of imagination through which we filter lived reality to take the sting out of its agonizing unsatisfactoriness, its grinding uncontrolled mechanical banal pain like a cheese grater upon the balls of our Will.
If Sylvia Plath were still alive she would probably shit herself a lot and have trouble remembering her grandkids names. She is happy to be dead.
Because dying old is often a miserable, humiliating, lonely, painful experience.
Those of you who have read Montaigne, what are some of your favourite essays of his?
this'n
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMY6lOVjQgs
>>9163247
lmao confused him with Montesquieu! Total brain fart xD
>>9163259
Happened to me before
Is he still respected these days? I never see him posted on here. Goethe general I guess.
>>9162779
I'm pretty sure he's still considered the greatest German writer
>>9162785
Well, is he respected in the literature world right now?
>>9162779
I can't think of a single reason of why he wouldn't be.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00545dp
>>9162508
Yeah. desu she had better arguments even though I like Bloom more. Bloom just isn't a debater. He's not even a conventional lecturer like the other guests on In Our Time. No wonder he wasn't invited back on the show.
>>9162517
>>9162520
I can't tell with whom I agree desu
>>9162508
Thanks for this. Genuinely interesting
>Exit, pursued by a bear
what did he mean by this?
>not exeunt
>>9162506
the stage direction is "exit," nerd
Exeunt is only used if there's more than one actor
What did he mean by THIS?
So what are /lit/'s opinions on H.P.Lovecraft.
I personally like his writings and attempts to create existential fear, once you get past most of the racist stuff that is.
...post it
>>9162180
I love the idea of Lovecraftian writing a lot more than I like his writing itself. The idea of a being we can't comprehend is a lot better than saying that it's a being we can't comprehend. He had a bad habit of writing something along the lines of "I cannot possibly try to explain it" then go into explaining it. Also, in a lot of his works that fit into the mythos, and even those that don't, lots of random name-drops were put into it without any real rhyme or reason, even if it generally had nothing to do with the story. Show don't tell comes to mind.
That being said, I still enjoy most of his work as viewing them as separate, non-connected things.
>>9162197
Are you asking to post his writings?
A lot of them can be found online at www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/
My personal recommendations would be 'The Other Gods', 'The Rats in The Walls', 'The Music of Erich Zann' and 'From Beyond'And of course 'The Call of Cthulhu, though to be honest, I think it suffers from the problems I said before the most of any of his works.
>>9162257
I really liked the short story "Dagon" since it had all of what you mentioned but kept it to a minimum as far as "that which cannot be described" and all that rot.
"The Rats in the Walls" is awesome in its' scope for a short story, as well.
For the lazy, there are moving comics on YouTube of some of his short stories that are fun.
does /lit/ like tolkien?
>>9161840
Yes.
>>9161840
No, ruling is hard.
>>9161840
Why not? He's got a warm demeanor.
Who are the best 21st century poets?
A. E Stallings.
>>9161680
I'd bang her
>>9161680
what's wrong with her face?
Very broad request here. What are the best books on the nature of time? I'm interested in novels, actual scientific books, and philosophical investigations. The Wikipedia page was just too fucking long and overwhelming. I wanna know how best I can understand the concept of Time as someone who doesn't know anything about it.
Pic very very related.
>>9161647
Aristotle - Physics
Augustine - Confessions
Leibniz-Clarke Correspondence
Kant - Critique of Pure Reason
McTaggart - Unreality of Time
Husserl - Phenomenology of Internal Time Consciousness
Heidegger - Being and Time
Quine - Word and Object
David Lewis - Philosophical Papers v.2
DH Mellor - Real Time 1 and 2
Sider - Four-Dimensionalism: An Ontology of Persistence and Time
Meyer - The Nature of Time
Sklar - Space, Time, and Spacetime
Bourne - A Future for Presentism
Skow - Objective Becoming
That's all I can think of off the top of my head but there's plenty more
>>9161843
Nice list, dude. Good work.
I'd add:
Koselleck - Futures Past. A famous Heideggerian account of modernity.
Sahlins - Islands of History
Bergson - Several things, but Time & Free Will, Creative Evolution..
Eliade - The Myth of the Eternal Return: Or, Cosmos and History
And there are a few "WHAT IS TIME?? INTRODUCITON TO THE [PJHO;OSOPJHY OF TIME, 2013, ROUTLEDGE" books that you can mine for bibliography.
bump for interest