How do we feel about creative writing MFAs, /lit/? Destroying artistic integrity, or helping it?
it is for nü male beta cucks
DFW went. Granted he hated it...
>>9161069
definitely for faggots
we feel bad about it
How do you hold books? Are you constantly switching positions around? do you worry about getting fingerprints on the covers?
I hold the book open with both hands, at middle height, thumbs in the margins, not further in, so I don't get ink on them. When I get lazy, I go one-handed, with my thumb on the left page, and my pinky on the right.
>>9161043
i switched to an ereader for this reason and i just keep it on my lap without having to hold it open
>>9161100
How do you like it? I've been throwing the idea of getting one around but idk.
Thoughts on Fitzgerald and Hemingway? I just got done with The Sun Also Rises and Tender is the Night and really enjoyed both more then their more popular works.
>>9160836
They're both hacks
Fitzgerald is based.
I've read the old man and the sea, and it was pretty good. I also read for whom the bell tolls, and it was absolutely disgraceful. Waste of time.
The Sun Also Rises and Tender is the Night are both considered masterpieces.
Why should I care about philosophy when all axioms are chosen arbitrarily?
Why should I care about someone's unfalsifiabile system?
Why is there a constant war on personal taste? Why can't we just admit that corporations want to sell us shit and that pseudo intellectuals band together to feign intelligence?
Why am I able to see the utter triviality of everything said by Aristotle, Plato, Nietzche, Zizek, and many others, yet other people cannot?
>>9160804
take the redpill, stupid cuck
The very definition of Plato's philosophy is that it is objective. There are few who disagree with his precepts.
>Nietzche
n-i-e-t-z-S-c-h-e.
I think you're so good at seeing that triviality that you can't see it in your own posts.
Although I agree with your 3'rd point. 4chan just shits on stuff for the sake of being "shocking" and "counter-culture". What a bunch of fucking losers.
I just finished Kafka's "The Trial". I know that the term coined after him is meant to mean nightmarish and overbearing, and that should be enough of an explanation, but there are numerous details in this book that are beyond any reason, and I can only chock up to being intentionally ludicrous for the sake of it. I'll continue this post outside of the OP because I don't think anyone wants to read a /spoiler'd paragraph.
BTW, spoilers.
>and I can only chock up to being intentionally ludicrous for the sake of it
Well, yeah. The Trial is just one absurd, bureaucratic nightmare. The discomfort you feel when presented with the whole process is intentional. It's not supposed to be fair or right or logical.
When he is first summoned to the courts and finds himself in the tenement house, I remember thinking that he was having some kind of delusion. As the scene went on, I decided that it must be some kind of reference to hell, because of the vague nature of the court, the fact that it was overbearingly humid, the gross acts of sexual indecency that are committed, and the mention that the officials of the court are living there. I abandoned this idea after he was visited by his uncle, because I realized that at least people that he had known separately from the law acknowledged the existence of the institution, but I still found numerous details ridiculous. For example the men who had arrested him being flogged in the store room at the bank, and the way that other characters seem to have omnipotent knowledge of K.
>>9160815
So what's the moral?
>>9160837
>For example the men who had arrested him being flogged in the store room at the bank
Could stuff like this (is it written in 1st person?) be part hallucination/imagination, like he was wishing the person who arrested him was being flogged? Showing how we project our desires onto the external world?
Wow, spending many thousands so you can be 'taught' that 'writers need to read'...
And let's not forget the real bang for your buck: Sitting in a room with other drooling morons offering such powerful, insightful critiques as 'I r-r-really... liked the uhm... the character. Haha, yeah... He was r-really g-good and like... Uhm... well written. Good job.'
Mmmmmmm, value for money.
>>9160780
>OP's hurt that his creative writing class said his writing was shit
>>9160780
Post what you've written fag
But seriously though, was thinking about dropping $600 on a course like this or something else so I can meet girls since I don't interact with enough elsewhere (work at home, no friends). Worth it?
Any good books on rave culture?
>>9160772
my diary, desu
The one with the culkin kid it in
left
How is he a constant consideration for the Nobel Prize? Total amateur imo. What does /lit think?
>>9160728
I'll create at least 5 threads a day every day for more than a month if the winner isn't a white male.
Literally preparing pastas already
op here, i'm asian.
Who gives a fuck about the nobel Prize anyway? Last decent writer to win was Doris lessing.
You're all idiots. Marcel Proust is a faggot and a hack, go read James Joyce. Also pic related. Read that too
>>9160660
>coffee should be given up—coffee makes one gloomy
What did Nietzsche mean by this?
>>9160660
oh shit i just got wrecked
this post is like an atomic weapon detonated in my anus
there's ass shrapnel everywhere. figuratively speaking i will never walk again
my whole life has been a lie, scales fall from eyes, carmina_burana.mp4
Joyce even said Proust was better than him fuck off
What the fuck is with contemporary philosophers using her/she all the time describing a person? They could make the person genderless or male since its quite obvious who reads their books but nah better use the female word since we are so PC even though it makes no sense at all and actually counterintuitive.
>>9160318
It's stupid; don't do it and move on.
>>9160326
What do you mean?
>>9160318
analytical philosophers truly are the ultimate cucks
Anyone who has been "wondered" by philosophy and the depths of literature is "smarter" (or more aware) by definition than a working class pleb?
Or are we just projecting feelings of grandeur to justify our s a d separation with the General?
The question is not if any truth exists or if knowledge makes one better in any sense, the question is: is the nature of such "intellectual" happier or more real (due to its self-examination)?
Or is it a lie to defend ourselves of the fact that all people are as real but in other mediums and forms of expression? (an illiterate sportsman would be as real as an intellectual)
"The unexamined life is not worth living"
>>9160140
>"The unexamined life is not worth living"
Neither is the overexamined?
Or thats the question, is there such thing as over-examined? I of course say yes, for we would not want to live every literal second "why did I do that? why did I do that? why did I do that? why did I do that? why did I do that? why did I do that?" You would never make it out of bed.
>>9160149
keeping the spacing out still, i see. a carry over! trying to escape eh!?
>The book is a social commentary.
Dropped.
>>9159828
This thread, much like the rest of your life, took no effort on your part, did it?
All literature is a product of and therefore a commentary on the society in which it was created.
>>9159843
Lotta spooks there desu
Best translation of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms?
>>9159567
>translations
滚,滚
All bad. Chinese generally gets poor translations.
>>9159567
dumb gweilo
> Favorite novelists
> Favorite short story writers
> Favorite poets
> Favorite philosophers
> Favorite theologians (optional)
> Favorite historians
>implying I read
>Favorite novelists
Hemingway
Sir Arthur C. Doyle
Robert A. Heinlein
>Favorite short story writers
Kafka
Oscar Wilde
>Favorite Poets
Goethe
Schiller
>Favorite philosophers
Epictetus
Plato
>Favorite historians
Don't have any
>mccarthy, steinbeck, pynchon
>borges, tolstoy, joyce
>donne, yeats, dante
>kierkegaard, nietzsche, spinoza
>carlo ginzburg, christopher browning, fernand braudel
Save me, /lit/.. You're my only hope.
I don't understand the colour coding of this infograph. I want to start with the Greeks but, like, which one is the fucking start? Elaboration on all the colours would be appreciated. Thank you.
>>9159463
start with the one that says "start here" you dope.
>>9159470
But what the ding dong dang do all these other colours and divergences mean?
>>9159477
a poster after my own heart, i say git got gammit