>Reading the prologue of Jerusalem
>"Turns left on the avenue"
>Paragraph after paragraph of adjectives and descriptive scenes
>Finally dialogue
>Fourteen months pass
>"Mick turns left down the street"
>Adjectives
>mfw I just want to read about Swift-Footed Achilles and his uncontrollable rage
This is the first move I've made out of the classics. What is this? The Greeks were lively and virile, the intensity of epic poetry took me by surprise. When did literature become focused on setting and endless description?
>>9747769
>he thought a comic book maker could write a full fledged maximalist novel
>>9747842
Lmao what a retard
>>9747857
ikr
I've read pretty much meme author shilled on this board. I am 30 years old and did a masters in Philosophy and am well acquainted with the classics. Is it possible to reach a point where literature no longer appeals? Ocassionally I order obscure works of philosophy and newer literary fiction but rarely do they keep my interest. I've pretty much exhausted everything that interests me at Half-Price and Barnes and Nobles. What do? Reading is/was my only hobby but now it gives me no pleasure... am I post-literature?
>>9747762
Learn Lacan.
>>9747762
I'm too young to answer that question but I would guess that everybody's passion comes and goes occasionally, and you should just go try something new for a while until you want to come back to reading. Get into art film.
>>9747762
Take the blackpill, read Harry Potter
Just bought this. What should I expect?
>>9747663
Boredom
Were you one of those kids who actually enjoyed reading your history textbook in high school? If so, you'll love this.
>>9747664
t pleb
>have nothing to do in my government job
>just sit and read books on the computer
>done more reading than ever
>literally being paid to read
The government saw my patrician potential so they pay me to read in order to take advantage of the power within these old books. Probably the Prime Minister herself ordered my coworkers to not even distract me by socialising with me.
>>9747658
that is the worst fucking thing I've ever seen, and I'm offended on a deep, visceral level
>>9747652
Goals, anon
DUDE OTHER PEOPLE EXIST BECAUSE I'VE HAD AN EFFECT ON THEM LMAO
>>9747642
It's a really good sort of theme desu, and is prevelant throughout his works.
Also, on the topic of McElroy, there was a topic on Women and Men up a few days back I can't find, with regards to the new printing of the novel being a total scam? Can any illuminate? Dzanc fucking hacks? Is there any hope of affordable copies? What's the deal?
>>9747654
>>9741842
>>9741962
don't be a fucking moron, this is a hoax. dzanc books on their own website has no information whatsoever regarding women and men, their twitter doesn't either, which displays all of their other publications, target and book depository have miraculously claimed there was no available copy upon july 11th, the isbn directs to the hardback edition, the fucking picture clearly says "rEprint" as in eprint, and there is on site a dzanc copy of preparations for search which has the same color scheme and could be easily edited. it's a god damn hoax.
>>9747669
i pre-ordered on B&N, checked my bak statement yday after the allegations, and my card has never been charged soooo
whatever
How do you learn to better appreciate/understand fiction and aesthetics, /lit/?
that picture is so very excellent
something something nietzsche
idk
just looking at that image
I selectively seek out fiction to enhance my aesthetics to be honest
>>9747637
Nietzsche Birth of Tragedy
Oscar Wilde The Decay of Lying
Anything by Walter Pater especially the Renaissance
Immanuel Kant Critique of Judgment (get a selection from an art/literary theory anthology, that will be all you need)
Peep this -- https://www.amazon.com/Art-Theory-1900-Anthology-Changing/dp/0631227083 when you finish that, why not -- https://www.amazon.com/Art-Theory-1815-1900-Anthology-Changing/dp/0631200665/ref=pd_sim_14_3/135-9152422-1545608?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7R6GG2CPZN5WCC4BYTGP
This will be a banger for you, really fuck up your thinking and put you on to some crazy shit -- https://www.amazon.com/Routledge-Companion-Aesthetics-Philosophy-Companions/dp/0415782872/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1499891950&sr=1-4&keywords=Routledge+aesthetics
Read Walter Benjamin, like most of what he wrote. If you fucked with it, peep Adorno & Horkheimer on the Dialectic of Enlightenment
This is sick -- https://selforganizedseminar.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/rancic3a8re-jacques-politics-aesthetics-distribution-sensible-new-scan.pdf
and yeah, >>9747739 , fiction is integral to all this, cannot be understated. But fuck whatever lists of shlock you find on this board, peep Rushdie's Midnight's Children, that should give you plenty to work with.
Cheers, good luck, this may fuck up your life in huge ways you aren't ready for but you'll be better for it.
How should I read Ishiguro? Read pic related on a whim and would like more.
>>9747593
start with the greeks
>>9747593
Definitive Ishiguro Power Ranking:
>Canonical masterpiece tier
The Unconsoled - S
>Beloved classic tier
The Remains of the Day - A+
The Buried Giant - A+
>Delightful intro tier
Cellists - A
Crooner - B
>Flawed but touching tier
Never Let Me Go - B+
>Novel experimentation tier
A Pale View of Hills - B
>Traditionally proficient tier
Artist of the Floating World - B-
>Flawed experimentation tier
When We Were Orphans - C
Nocturne - C
Come Rain or Come Shine - C-
Malvern Hills - C-
>>9747610
While I wouldn't have put this list in that order, I mostly agree with it. Didn't like TBG but whatever.
try me
There are literally no arguments for nominalism so why don't you try yourself lad?
>i'm a nominalist
>i belong to a class
It's like ottery
>>9747546
good point
>people call me a nominalist
more like
Literature is escapism. Cut down on your reading and obsession and go live life.
Life is escapism
>>9747464
>go live life
Sounds like escapism.
>>9747464
Why not both? Read at night, when there is less to do outside.
What should I ask Tao Lin tomorrow at my evening writing workshop? He is a guest speaker.
Pic related.
Is that the meme /mu/ author from 2013?
Hahahah I just googled him and he's fucking 35. What a sad chinky life.
ask him what dressing he prefers with his salads now-a-days
also ask him if he knows nick land yet
>>9747413
Ask him for speedreading tips
>spend an hour writing
>finish one paragraph
how do people come up with minute details? I have to google all these things to make sure I sound like I know what I'm talking about
Pringles taste fucking awful.
>spend eight months writing
>finish three sentences
Stop googling for things, just write.
Plot in more detail first, include stuff that's just there in the scenery in the notes and it'll help when you just flesh it out
Are there any atheist books out there that aren't cringeworthy?
Atheism is cringeworthy.
Of course! But they aren't atheist books
>>9747383
Could you recommend good books written about atheism, of course, under an atheist perspective?
Jokes apart, I am a woman. Does that make me inherently incapable of writing good fiction?
Yes.
No.
No.
>he's still on the "start with the Greeks" meme
>he's not heard of "start with the Chinks" yet
Here's your reading list:
The Great Learning (The Great Digest, in Ezra Pound's translation)
The Doctrine of the Mean (The Unwobbling Pivot)
The Analects of Confucius
Mencius
Classic of Poetry (The Confucian Odes)
I Ching
Tao Te Ching
The Art of War
>implying you can understand a foreign weltanschauung without starting from the greeks all the way up to heidegger first
Waste of time. You aren't going to understand them in translation, as they are impossible to translate.
What is the draw to the claim that we can't know things in of themselves when we can directly reproduce things synthetically?
>>9747106
Read Kant
>>9747125
Kant dodges the issue, just like PoMos did. Cognitive skepticism loses its appeal in in light of the functioning of bridges and synthetic insulin etc.
>>9747132
Because...?