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Hanging Gardens of Babylon edition

-were they even real? What about the Tower of Babel?
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>>2430707
"In this palace he erected very high walks, supported by stone pillars; and by planting what was called a pensile paradise, and replenishing it with all sorts of trees, he rendered the prospect an exact resemblance of a mountainous country. This he did to gratify his queen, because she had been brought up in Media, and was fond of a mountainous situation."

Josephus (c.37–100 AD) quotes a description of the gardens by Berossus, a Babylonian priest of Marduk writing circa 290 BC. Berossus described the reign of Nebuchadnezzar II, and is the only source to credit that king with the construction of the Hanging Gardens.
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>>2430715

"The park extended four plethra on each side, and since the approach to the garden sloped like a hillside and the several parts of the structure rose from one another tier on tier, the appearance of the whole resembled that of a theatre. When the ascending terraces had been built, there had been constructed beneath them galleries which carried the entire weight of the planted garden and rose little by little one above the other along the approach; and the uppermost gallery, which was fifty cubits high, bore the highest surface of the park, which was made level with the circuit wall of the battlements of the city. Furthermore, the walls, which had been constructed at great expense, were twenty-two feet thick, while the passageway between each two walls was ten feet wide. The roof above these beams had first a layer of reeds laid in great quantities of bitumen, over this two courses of baked brick bonded by cement, and as a third layer of covering of lead, to the end that the moisture from the soil might not penetrate beneath. On all this again earth had been piled to a depth sufficient for the roots of the largest trees; and the ground, when levelled off, was thickly planted with trees of every kind that, by their great size or other charm, could give pleasure to the beholder. And since the galleries, each projecting beyond another, all received the light, they contained many royal lodgings of every description; and there was one gallery which contained openings leading from the topmost surface and machines for supplying the gardens with water, the machines raising the water in great abundance from the river, although no one outside could see it being done. Now this park, as I have said, was a later construction."

For his description of the gardens, Diodorus Siculus (active c.60–30 BC) seems to have consulted the 4th century BC texts of both Cleitarchus and Ctesias of Cnidus.
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>>2430731
"The Babylonians also have a citadel twenty stades in circumference. The foundations of its turrets are sunk thirty feet into the ground and the fortifications rise eighty feet above it at the highest point. On its summit are the hanging gardens, a wonder celebrated by the fables of the Greeks. They are as high as the top of the walls and owe their charm to the shade of many tall trees. The columns supporting the whole edifice are built of rock, and on top of them is a flat surface of squared stones strong enough to bear the deep layer of earth placed upon it and the water used for irrigating it. So stout are the trees the structure supports that their trunks are eight cubits thick and their height as much as fifty feet; they bear fruit as abundantly as if they were growing in their natural environment. And although time with its gradual decaying processes is as destructive to nature's works as to man's, even so this edifice survives undamaged, despite being subjected to the pressure of so many tree-roots and the strain of bearing the weight of such a huge forest. It has a substructure of walls twenty feet thick at eleven foot intervals, so that from a distance one has the impression of woods overhanging their native mountains. Tradition has it that it is the work of a Syrian king who ruled from Babylon. He built it out of love for his wife who missed the woods and forests in this flat country and persuaded her husband to imitate nature's beauty with a structure of this kind."

Quintus Curtius Rufus (active 1st century AD)

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This thread is for HISTORICAL disscussion by my fellow /int/ellectuals.

Guests of Honor: Romanians, Bulgarians and Hungarians

Todays main topic: The Dacians

But any historical discussion is allowed.
Get in here, lets tark at randam about history the way only /int/ can.
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>>2430312
South Africa here, literally nothing to discuss about this country except Boer wars.
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>>2430317
>be Dacian
>be attacked by Alexander and Rome
>survive

impressive.
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Were the Dacians Kurds?

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MOM SAYS ITS MY TURN TO PLAY MESOAMERICAN BALLGAME
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>>2430121
kicking a pigs bladder is top entertainment
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>>2430121
Weren't The Losers of that game killed in the most grisly fashion
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>>2430154
I don't know how grisly, but yes, losers were sacrificed.

Unrelated, the ball they played with could be as heavy as 8 lbs and could break bones.

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When you're 32 days into besiege and chill and the defenders give you this look
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>>2429859
who is he?

is he a turk?
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>>2429859
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>>2429867
Quite the opposite really, his name is Nikola Šubic Zrinski, look him up.

Why did the Ottomans never fully annex the Romanian Principalities? Did they have any actual level of autonomy?
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>>2429746
Vassalage basically means you have to pay them taxes and fight for them, it's not being 100% dominated.
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>>2429753
But why didn't they annex them fully into the empire? Were their armies particularly formidable?
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>>2429768
As vassal they were loyal to them. If Ottos annexe them they would have to deal with possible unrest. Free soldiers+taxes>having to directly control Romanian provinces

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THEY ARE KING ASHOKA AND 9 UNKNOWN MEN
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They are not only Alan Walker but hybrid, another species that exist among human, without them knowing. They all have superpower that human dont possess.
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I thought 4Chan like this kind of stuff insense alien, hybrid, ghost, creature of the night, beast and monster. And that is the nearest I can go in introducing things that exist in your surrounding but not human.

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Have any historians actually denied the holocaust?

What evidence do holocaust deniers use to back their claim?

Please keep your /pol/ shit out of this thread.
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>>2428964

David Irving destroyed his reputation by championing holocaust denial, only to be BTFO in court and ultimately to have disavowed the idea in his later works.
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It is extremely easy to find arguments if your genuinely curious, starting a thread here is unneccessary
look up "holocaust fake" on youtube or something
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>>2428964
>What evidence do holocaust deniers use to back their claim?

First, they take a look at the sort of evidence mainstream academics, such as this

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

And then shout "JOOOOOOOZ" really loudly.

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"Start cutting your hands you sexual degenerates. This how you'll feel after you disobey God's rules. I told you once that porn, nudity, sex and masturbation are evil! Christianity and Islam should unite and destroy every immoral sexual act. If you want kids, pray to the God! DONT FUCK!"

how was it? discuss...
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>>2428894
>Still has a headscar
DELET
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>>2428884
why is serbia so ugly

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If China had been actually directly carved up thanks to, for example, an early total collapse of the Qing, how would it differ today? Would there be a collection of independent states in place of a single unified China? Would there be liberal democratic governments and earlier modernization like Singapore and Hong Kong without communism holding them back?
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>>2428495
>communism held china back

If Chiang had remained in charge of China, then it would resemble India or Nigeria now
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>>2428576
That depends on whether he would eventually have been able to end warlordism. But seriously, dumb shit like the Great Leap Forward was definitely holding China back.
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>>2428576
>If Chiang had remained in charge of China, then it would resemble India or Nigeria now
Why that and not a giant Taiwan?

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ITT historical figures that were basically you

>Born Protestant
>Sympathize with Catholic mistreatment
>Love America and American Revolution
>Hate England
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For me it’s Che Guevara – intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.
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>>2428058
Yes, I'm sure you're just like Che.
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>Autistic beta
>Edgy atheist
>Love France and Poland.
>Hate Germany.
>Hate Christianity.
>Love Jews
>Masturbate over ancient Greeks and art.

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Were the Gutians ancestors of the Kurds?
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Yes.
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>>2427871
what is a kurd?
There only exists mountain turks
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>k*rds

What does /his/ think of the Meiji Restoration and Emperor Meiji.
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quite literally the best example of how to learn from technologically superior nations while not becoming complete slaves to their influence.
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Restore the Meiji constitution
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It turned Japan in a world power and helped create a decent empire. Meiji was a pretty good emperor, him being such a westaboo did help him in his idea of modernisation, Ataturk was inspired partly by him iirc.

Why is despotic empire formed by horseniggers who coudn't even make their own agriculture, didn't have a printing press until the late 19th century, didn't have any literature of note in its entire history(except perhaps rewriting qurans and some mullahs writing worthless hadiths), had a feudal economy until the mid 19th century, had absolutely no centers of higher education(the only colleges in the empire were in Konstantinople, and were created by foreigners) considered a great civilisation.

>inb4 they conquered
A horde butchering women and children to force islamisation isn't civilisation.

As a Bulgarian, I wish we were under austrohungary, at least their subjugated peoples were under european civilisation and were in an industrialized nation, not a clusterfuck Islamic gangs, beys and brainwashed slave soldiers.
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>>2427457
>As a Bulgarian
There we go
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>>2427467
There goes what?
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>As a Bulgarian, I wish we were under austrohungary, at least their subjugated peoples were under european civilisation and were in an industrialized nation, not a clusterfuck Islamic gangs, beys and brainwashed slave soldiers
You were already under the fucking Byzantine empire.
But then you decided to throw a hissy fit and fight for independance only to later declare war on everyone in the region weakening them and allowing Osman to start expanding Westwards.

Hell, while Constantinople was being conquered by the Ottomans you took the opportunity to secure the Black sea for yourselves instead of sending aid.

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how potent is this haul? any critiques?
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Why do my two books cost more than all of yours combined???
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>>2427473
I feel your pain, all the ones I really want are $100-$400.
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are you trying to give yourself autism

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ITT: Closest times in history reality got to being a horror movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
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it was a justu experimentu gaijin
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sada_Abe
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>>2421878
MKUltra
The CIA did shit way worse then any Jap anon.

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