When writing
>i,ii,iii,iv
or
>i,ii,iii,iiii
which is more patrician?
i, ii, iii, iv, v, vi, vii, viii, ix, x
oder
i, ii, iii, iiii, iiiii, iiiiii, iiiiiii, iiiiiiii, iiiiiiiii, iiiiiiiiii
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Generally I stedet IV, but on watches IIII is superior.
Has there ever been a more patrician set of children's books than His Dark Materials?
Do any other children's books tackle subjects such as the role of religion in society and the purpose of the pursuit of knowledge?
>>9703516
Good post
I was wondering the same yesterday
I loved them as a kid, I still have the editions with De Chirico paintings on the cover on my shelf.
Dutch children's author Tonke Dragt is also pretty good, but she's more about classic scifi themes like alienation, totalitarianism, man's dependence on technology, etc..
>>9703516
Why is it patrician? These books were written for grade school kids to get them to start questioning organized religion and norms in society. Reading those is better than reading other shit like red wall or Harry potter
What are the essential prerequisites for reading Stirner?
>>9703513
>essential prerequisites for reading Stirner?
very spooky
>>9703513
It is the creative nothing in itself. All you need is an ego, and you're good to go.
>>9703513
prepubescence and a couple of parents to take for granted
I want to read something about economy, but don't know where to start. Is pic related worth it and any other recommendations?
>>9703501
>>9703507
fuck, beat me to it
>>9703501
>Not reading Principles of Economics by N. Gregory Mankiw
Best war novels? They can be any war in human history, so long as they're dank af.
Iliad
>>9703479
What's so good about it?
>>9703489
Good plot.
Overrated or a true classic?
It's underrated by general readers, but it's not Salinger's greatest work, most of his other stuff is better.
>>9703437
we dont need three catcher in the rye threads
saged
both
>that random friend asking his friend to try and cuck him story
What did Cervantes mean by this?
>>9703399
it was a different time
>A cautionary tale is a tale told in folklore, to warn its hearer of a danger. There are three essential parts to a cautionary tale, though they can be introduced in a large variety of ways. First, a taboo or prohibition is stated: some act, location, or thing is said to be dangerous. Then, the narrative itself is told: someone disregarded the warning and performed the forbidden act. Finally, the violator comes to an unpleasant fate, which is frequently related in expansive and grisly detail.
>>9703399
Read the thing and you will know.
Hi, I am reading the Iliad for the second time. I read it the first time as a child and I am revisiting it a second. I am reading the E.V.Rieu translation from Penguin, and it strikes me as supremely boring in comparison to what I remember of it.
Can anybody recommend a better translation? Or has nostalgia blinded me to the reality of the book?
You're reading a prose translation of verse, and considering you've read it once before i don't understand for what purpose.
Go with basically any other verse translation, look into all the common recommended ones like pope, fagles, fitzgerald, merrill ect and take your pick
Literature isn't for you desu
Prose translations of poetry seem a weird idea to me. I'd try a poetic one- you can easily google up comparisons of the many translators to see which (if any) you like.
What is the term for when people criticize an author without reading him? Seems to happen a lot to JP.
>>9703342
"shitposting"
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/405200126236311554
report, sage, move on
>>9703357
Surely a term like this exists, it doesn't have to be limited to authors. Someone could voice their hatred of a movie without seeing it purely because they don't like the director. Prejudiced doesn't really fit the phenomenon.
>>9703368
See, you are exhibiting this strange phenomenon too. You haven't read anything by Peterson but petition for Peterson threads to get banned because you don't understand a tweet of his from 4 years ago.
What books are actually good. I mean ACTUALLY good. I like Bret Easton ellis, James ellroy, Michel houellebecq, Raymond chandler, Nabokov, among others. I am thinking of reading more sci first but sadly I really do have taste with regard to writing quality. I have read 6 or 7 PKD novels and only liked one, though I am open to more
>finish reading Nicholas Nickleby
>almost finished reading brothers Karamazov
>both were tortuous experiences I only went through so the pseudointellectuals would stop insulting me
>currently reading essays of Schopenhauer and it's literally a fucking pleasure compared to the drudgery of the other two books
>think about buying novels I'd like
>realise I have almost no favourite novelists
>realise I mainly read to feel like less of a pleb
>realise a lot of those New Yorker / Oxbridge-esque novelists are cringey nu-male faggots or women - what talent some of them possess is pissed up the wall in their utterly self indulgent styles and politically correct outlook
It really gets the noggin joggin'. As soon as I finish the last 50 pages of brothers Karamazov and then read the republic, I will start actually using my taste.
The Schopenhauer essays remind me of when I read the problems of philosophy after grinding slowly through other boring books (I think it was still Nicholas Nickleby and brothers Karamazov even in January). I found Problems of philosophy a huge pleasure even though I dont have a big interest in its topics.
I don't want to be a pseudo intellectual humanitiesfag who wanks over "the depth of thought of the classics! *knows no maths past high school* *thinks reading about maths / physics / football can actually convey it*." I am literally drowning in bullshit everywhere. The pseudo intellectual zombies demand you submit to the will of the profit seeking academia-media-publishing industrial complex
>>9703255
Based on your list, you should try Martin Amis- I'd recommend Money and London Fields.
Read some Vonnegut.
Breakfast of champions & Cat's Cradle are both A1
>>9703255
Try Joyce.
where can I find them for free?
>>9703243
abook-club.ru
>>9703243
Youtube always has some. They tend to come and go, as the IP police track them down.
the elite no longer seeks enlightenment from literature and philosophy. self-help, brain optimization, habit formation, new age thinking, social 'hacks', have gamified reading and information seeking into a competition of extracting maximally succesful pragmatic tactics.
no one reads, and those that read aren't reading - they're extracting
>60 books a year
lmao plebeians
I don't really see anything wrong with this. Who doesn't want to be more effective?
>>9703493
>authors summarizing their own books for you
this entirely debases the critical thinking skills the books are trying to teach
What are good books on conservatism or conservative philosophy that don't argue specifically from a religious standpoint? I so far have only read the Analects of Confucius and Letters to a Young Conservative by D'Souza, however I would like to have more material to better get to know conservative thought.
>D'Souza
If you aren't shitposting, commit d'suicide
>>9703226
>conservatism
Wtf. Conservatism is the easiest "idealogy" in the world. Take for example a prude country that has politicians arguing whether they should legalise sex before marriage or not. The ones who say "legalise" are progressives, and the ones who say "don't legalise" are conservatives. It's just the matter of "don't change". "Cobservative values just means that you want to hang on to something. Anything else that's tied to "conservatism" should be cut.
>>9703230
He was one of the only ones I have heard of, if you have better suggestions I'll gladly take them.
>>9703264
That is technically correct, however I am looking for books that go further than just the basic definition and I want some books which present some of the arguments for tradition and social conservatism and other positions that are associated with conservative politics.
I don't get it, /lit/.
I'm coming up on half way through and this supposed comedy classic has barely made me smile. I'm a Britbong, so it's not a cultural difference, and I'm familiar with the academic setting it's satirising. But I just don't find it at all funny.
Anyone else read it and can enlighten me? The humour seems quite subtle, so maybe I'm too plebeian, or maybe it's just dated- I guess humour is one of the fastest-changing things in our culture. Thoughts?
>>9703214
It's probably just too subtle for you. You should check out his son, he's probably more up your alley.
>>9703214
I feel the same way. I bought while I was on a comedy kick, but it's about a guy getting drunk and abusing his wife and trying to kill his kid. I can find humor in a lot of things, but Lucky Jim was a real disappointment.
>>9703283
I was going to add actually that I do like his son. Very punchable face but style to burn (and funny when he goes for humour)- London Fields is brilliant.
In comparison, aside from not finding Lucky Jim funny, I don't get much else from it- some nice turns of phrase, but the prose overall seems unremarkable.
I've recently started reading a couple of 'popular math' books, including Simon Singh's "Fermat's Last Theorem" and "The Code Book", as well as John Tabak's "Numbers".
I'm searching for something in the same area, preferably a bit more heavy on the math philosophy and perhaps the infinite.
I'm open to most things, though; throw some recommendations at me, if you have read anything good.
>>9703190
Frege and Leibniz.
>math philosophy and perhaps the infinite.
Incidentally, DFW wrote a book about the "discovery" of the Infinite. It's called "Everything and More". Maybe it's good. I started reading it once – it read like a typical DFW text at least.
>>9703190
A Brief History of Infinity by Brian Clegg is a nice accessible book on infinity.
Also, don't read DFW's book on infinity unless you're already a huge DFW fan. Otherwise you'll probably be frustrated by his style. Also, there are a ton of mistakes (I've learned from his biography that math was never his strong suit in college).