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What's the top-tier of American literary humor?
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Thomas Pynchon, not even memeing
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I find Hunter S. Thompson to be absolutely hilarious. But that might just be because I can relate as someone who use to be heavy into drug culture.
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Was Infinite Jest any funny?

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>he's ashamed to say he enjoys things because imaginary people on the internet won't respect him
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>he wants to fuck a schoolgirl because his wife cucked him
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I read one of his short stories, Kafka in Love, and I thought it was cute. I have more interest in the other Murakami though.
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>>8305595
Samsa in Love* I mean lol

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How can anyone look at the Munchhausen trilemma (or think independently) and think that any aspect of philosophy is non trivial? You literally can't. Everything Marx said was unfalsifiable garbage. The same with Nietzsche and so on.

When you see philosophers actually talk about real world topics it's clear that philosophy has given them literally zero additional tools for reasoning compared to a regular person. It's laughable.

It may sound like I'm being dismissive and elitist, and I am, but modern philosophical institutions such as universities and publishers are also elitist. They claim that their own areas of philosophy are worth debating but others aren't. According to them, Ethics is worthwhile (even after Hume, and every person of average or above intelligence knows about the is-ought problem) while "Philosophy of Doughnuts" isn't. There's plenty of unfalsifiable stuff you can say about doughnuts but there is a tonne of dogma surrounding institutions and they refuse to talk about what's worth talking about (not that there would be an answer, but no surprises that they don't risk the loss of importance / funding). Philosophy has become a very rigid circlejerk.

Treat my rants about philosophy and institutions separately.

I want to emphasise the Munchhausen trilemma but I may be accused of being a logical positivist. I know what's wrong with that, but then Godel has shown that a logical system has to be either incomplete or inconsistent, so every other system must be "flawed", but funny how this only gets used to dismiss systems that lower the potential for unfalsifiable circle jerking. If you bring up the Hegelian-Zizekian-Platonian Dialectical Jam Biscuit Capitalist Reasoning System then the academics will be in raptures.

So where does that leave us? Philosophy as a tool for pseudo intellectual posturing ("Oh look, I read about Aristotle's Physics in the original Greek!" and innumerable other examples). Can anyone convince me to think otherwise?

I know people will say that science and mathematics are part of philosophy and I agree that they are but I am clearly talking about all of philosophy apart from those two areas. Although the purview of philosophy is deemed to be so large that when I decide to go and have a shit then people will claim that that was an incredible example of philosophy (whether due to the resulting increase in world happiness or the aesthetics of my shit or infinite other reasons.)
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>>8305533
>or think independently
>implying you or everyone here or anyone on Earth "thinks independently"
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>>8305533

>retarded frogposter
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>>8305533
The problem with the Munchhausen Trilemma is that axioms aren't a logical fallacy, they are accepted propositions fundamentally outside of logic. To "skeptically question all axioms" is in essence to question the Law of Noncontradiction, which may be fun to try, and shouldnt be banned in any sense, but the LNC is essential to comuunicate or do anything at all. In effect, any sort of doubt placed on the LNC cannot be expressed, so doubting all axioms cannot be done. Not to mention the self defeating nature of doubting axioms as an axiom.

I agree with you that major academic philosophy schools are based out of fear and hedonistic materialism, giving up any sort of courage of philosophical system for money. The idea of being a paid professor and publishing journal articles is the corrupting influence that money has on what I would call "scientizing philosophy", or treating it like a science that can have repeatable monetary benefits.

Don't be narrow in the sense of what philosophy is. Mark Twain said "Don't let schooling get in the way of your education". I don't think that philosophy is trivial, I just hate the way its taught. "We dont know either way" is an unsatisfying answer.

What is the /lit/ equivalent of this? Something that features dry and absurdist humour.
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>>8305514
My life
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>>8305514
My first thought was Terry Pratchett desu
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>>8305739
Whoa now, Monty Python is better than that show some respect.

>>8305514
Probably nothing OP. Books can be humorous, like Catch-22 or Confederacy of Dunces, but for real, true comedy you need the human voice and mannerisms. Printed comedy can never reach the level of performers.

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Thoughts?????
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hilarious
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I read it some weeks after having watched Densha Otoko. I could not shake the thought that this was the same story even though it clearly went it's own path. Tonally it's a genuinely good piece.
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>>8305428
It's been a while since I've read it, rather enjoyed it.

Anyone care to post a link to the complete story?

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I don't really read /lit/. I have infinite jest next to me and although I am able to recognize that it is beautifully written at times, I am 70 pages in and am already bored.

How do I get into literature? I mean real literature.
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>>8305408
Developing the hobby and habit of reading for pleasure is something that really should take place in childhood.

If you're already an adult, and don't have the patience, grasp of language or desire to read, you're probably never going to.

However, don't feel too down. Reading is primarily about the pleasure of reading. You don't necessariy "learn better" from books - especially if you're the type with a poor attention span or a poor grasp of the language.

If you want narrative storytelling, just watch netflix instead.

If you want to learn, listen to podcasts and watch educational youtube videos.

And if you just want to tell people that you've just read so and so book, just lie. That's what most people do anyway!
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>>8305408
Step 1.) Burn Infinite Jest
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>>8305408
Read about the book you're reading

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Bookshelf thread

1/5
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2/5

This is the end of the first shelf
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3/5
Foreign, stuff.
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>>8305337
>>8305343
Thanks for coming down to /lit/ good buddy, no need to post 5 and 5, we already know it's shit.

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Are you an autodidact?
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What does that mean?
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I'm trying, don't know how successful I am yet.
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>>8305285
ebin meme

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What is Avalanches of literature?
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>>8305246
Are you asking which novel is like being buried beneath 20 feet and 3000 tons of snow in the Swiss alps, and trying desperately to climb out?
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>>8305246
Those are the people who do samples of stuff and make a song out of it? I used to love them when I was a teen. They released something new?

Anyway, it's Gellu Naum. Read My Tired Father by Gellu Naum. He's a Romanian Surrealist, it's a book pieced together from bits and pieces of words, phrases, thoughts found elsewhere. It's one of my favorite books.
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>>8305246

'James "A Book A Month (And I Write Them All Myself [Wink Wink])" Patterson'
He's avalanches of books anyway

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What was your yearbook quote, /lit/?
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woozle wuzzle
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>>8305211
>Watching X-Files with no lights on.
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Some Nabokov one I don't remember. Really regret buying the yearbook in the first place, shit was $60

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When did you realize that she was right about everything?
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When I found out that I'm autistic
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shortly before actually reading her work, and no longer thereafter
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>>8305191
When I surrendered my intelligence and read the first book that was mildly challenging

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Discuss
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A natural development of late capitalism.
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How do you guys think the internet's helped or hindered literature? What's the future of the two together? Is self-publishing for pussies?
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I am thoroughly a product of the internet. I've been active on various web communities since the age of 10. That's 13 years worth of shitposts. To a very significant extent my taste and worldview has been shaped by the various anonymous and pseudonymous interactions I've had with people all across the globe over those past 13 years. I feel most comfortable and authentically 'me' when behind a computer screen. Much of my adolescent memories involve interactions with people on this site and a handful of small forums.

I don't know if I'm utterly pathetic or the next stage of mankind. Probably both.

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I spent every cent of money I have on books
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At least you spent it on something that will last for quite awhile.
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>>8305146
How many do you have? You can't say that and not show off your collection.
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>>8305146
D-do you have enough to eat on this month?
Don't starve anon

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I know of Portuguese writers like Pessoa and Saramago
I know of the writers of Spanish America, like Garcia Marquez, Vargas Llosa, Borges, Bolano, Neruda, Cortazar, Ruben Dario etc

But I dont know any Brazilian writer apart from Coello, who is regarded as trash.

I dont want this thread to be /pol/ or /int/. I can understand portuguese pretty well, and I am clueless on which Brazilian writers are worth reading.
I am interested because they have over half of the population of South America.
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Clarice Lispector is the GOAT
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Those with "----" around their names are the most important.

Writers:
Joaquim Manuel de Macedo
---- José de Alencar -----
Bernardo Guimarães
Luís Carlos Martins Pena
Manuel Antônio de Almeida
Raul Pompéia
------------ Machado de Assis --------------
Aluísio Azevedo
---- Euclides da Cunha -----
Lima Barreto
Monteiro Lobato
Simões Lopes Neto
Graça Aranha
Mário de Andrade
José Lins do Rego
Érico Verissimo
---- Graciliano Ramos ----
---- Guimarães Rosa -----
Clarice Lispector
Raduan Nassar
Ariano Suassuna

Poets:
Gregório de Matos
Gonçalves de Magalhães
------ Gonçalves Dias ------
Álvares de Azevedo
Casimiro de Abreu
Fagundes Varela
Junqueira Freire
Castro Alves
Tobias Barreto
---------------Olavo Bilac ---------------
---- Alberto de Oliveira -----
---- Raimundo Correia ----
Cruz e Sousa
Augusto dos Anjos
---- Carlos Drummond de Andrade ----
---- João Cabral de Melo Neto ----
Mário Quintana
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>>8305235
Forgot to add Rubem Fonseca and Dalton Trevisan to the writers list.

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HEY YOU DUMB FUCKING PSUEDO-INTELLECTUAL FAGGOT INSTEAD OF LURKING ON /LIT/ ACTUALLY READ THE BOOKS YOU'VE BEEN PLANNING TO READ.
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>>8305100
>tfw Shia legitimately motivates me to put in work and not be a piece of shit
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what's the point?

i already have them standing on my shelf, whatever i might get out of them additionally by reading them too is minimal and not worth the effort
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>>8305100
>tfw you should start with the Greeks
>you start reading The Bible instead

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