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So i was never into books because when i was a teen whenever i asked people about cool books they would always tell me about harry potter and novels and lightweight stuff
But i recently found out you /lit/ fuckers have sweet sweet books about art and art movements
Could you recommend me some stuff about moderism, post-modernism, bauhaus, russian constructivism, etc or just books that every art aficionado should read.
Pic related: its Duchamp in his signature monocycle scaring classic artists away
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>>8304573
Shit i forgot to say pretty please in the op,
Pretty please /lit/ fuckers
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>>8304573
>when i was a teen whenever i asked people about cool books they would always tell me about harry potter and novels and lightweight stuff
omg stupid inauthentic pleb normies REEEE, amirite?? :)
Start with Gombrich's The Story of Art
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Post words that you find aesthetically or otherwise unappealing.
Personally I find "was" to be a shitty word.
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Cunny
Ficciones
Cleft
and most japanese words, disgusting language
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Was there a shittier OP on /lit/ that day?
I think not.
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Why isn't Shakespeare considered a fantasy writer?
I mean... Oberon, Titania and the other fairies in Midsummer, Hamlet's ghost dad, the three witches in Macbeth, the sorcerers/sprites/spirits in The Tempest... etc.
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Genres didn't really exist back then. They're marketing terms, same way Shakespeare is lumped with Harper Lee as 'The Classics'
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Cos any genre becomes literary fiction once its actually good.
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Shakespeare cinematic universe when?
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What have you got if I ask you french dark litterature (I mean like Celine's Voyage au bout de la nuit for example).
I already read a lot as a french, but I'm still curious to get some advices.
Come on, give me your best dark french litterature /lit/
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I don't get the "dark"
Rebatet ?
Brasillach ?
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>>8304571
Not intended to mean collaborationist, or politicaly incorrect.
Just litterature that explore dark aspect of human soul / history. Some kind of "pessimistic" / angry french litterature.
I mean I've been deeply touched by Voyage au bout de la nuit, but I can't find anythig that make me the same effect in French litterature.
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>>8304614
In french?
It makes everything easier because I don't read translations.
Une Vie de Maupassant?
You probably will hate this recommendations halfway through, but at the final paragraph, you will love me
Zola and his trilogy of Assomoir ; La bete humaine et Germinal
Fucked up family, fun read
Saison dans l'enfer Rimbaud
Paul Verlaine (pessimist)
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is /lit/ filled with cucks?
... Why yes, yes it is!
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>>8304459
Well, I'm not a cuckold. So this thread is now at most 50% cuckolds, assuming you are one.
This post feels more as if you're simply trying to insult the more general populace on the board though, this makes me wonder why. Did someone insult your favorite childhood book perhaps?
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>>8304493
I'll chime in and bring the percentage down further. It's fairly impossible for me to be a cuckold by the literal definition, and entirely unlikely in the general insulting sense.
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What's up with /pol/'s obsession with cuckolding?
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I've been told in the past by one of my English teachers that starting sentences with the word 'as' or just using the word more than three times for a 1000 word short story, is bad practice and a sign of weak writing. Would you agree with this /lit/?
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Also, is it bad practice to use adverbs? I've heard that publishers deeply frown upon relying on words such as 'suddenly' to introduce a sequence of action.
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Your teacher was retarded. Disregard the advice.
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>>8304411
Depends on the type of publisher. Adverbs are fine. Americans have a problem with them, so be wary of their informal literature.
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>tfw you want to go on a mass killing and disseminate your own manifesto purely to undo the antiintellectualism and decadence of Elliot Rodger which has lamentably infected the minds of so many young men
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Remember the story of the retarded American reporting a shitskin academic for doing PDEs on a plane? That's what it's like when normalfags react to Elliot. Elliot gave us a collection of useful tools and truths that help us make sense of the world, but because normies are too stupid and uneducated in the facts of reality, they react to it with fear and disgust.
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>>8304430
No I don't remember that and all Elliot Rodger did was encourage a bunch of millenials to double-down on their ressentiment.
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>>8304435
How old are you?
>tfw the last 10 novels you read were American
Woke up this morning and realised I was cucking my own culture. By seeking out discussion on the internet I had disproportionately exposed myself to the opinions of Burgers, which has had a toxic effect on the scope of my reading.
Posting this now when most of the Burgers are asleep to tell you not to make the same mistake I did. Don't fall for the meme, stick to your own.
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Haha, I've noticed the same, I've been lurking on so many English-speaking sites and boards that my Goodreads "read" shelf is mostly English literature. It's also being exacerbated because it's easier to pirate well-formatted English ebooks than other languages.
And yet, the current German literature/book market is quite depressing so I'm not sure what I'm missing:
>NYT paperback nonfiction: Alexander Hamilton, The boys in the boat, Outliers (still??), Modern romance, The new Jim Crow
>relatively decent complex stuff, Ansari/Gladwell a shit
>German SPIEGEL bestsellers nonfiction:
>"Das Seelenleben der Tiere" (the soul-life of the animals), "Das geheime Leben der Bäume" (the secret life of trees), "Der Appell des Dalai Llama an die Welt" (Dalai Llama a shit), "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament" (a German "unconventional" priest describes his work or something)
>sheeeeeesh
At least fiction is shit in both.
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>>8304400
How can you read when your country is dying?
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>>8304406
How can you shitpost when our beds are burning?
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What is this book?
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>>8304321
Brilliant, magical, engrossing, absorbing and shortlisted for the man booker prize 2015?
I suspect it's also really shit though
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>>8304321
A book written by a pedo
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>>8304321
a little life
more like
a giant faggot
What's the general rule of thumb when you're using a phrase as an adjective?
Like for example "Remember that beaten-by-life comedian that was in that show?"
Is it correct to hyphenate like that?
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There is no 'correct' in English.
It sounds a little contrived; a relative clause would be the more common way to do it. (And by the way 'that'/'which' is used with 'inanimates', 'who'/'whom' with animates.)
> Remember the comedian in that show who was beaten by life?
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>>8304317
I think it's fine to hyphenate like that. Your example reads like shit because "beaten by life" isn't really a common phrase. "Down-and-out" might be better.
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>What We Talk About When We Talk About ______
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memes
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>>8304289
my diary desu
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Is there any literary and news magazine more relevant than The New Yorker?
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i like the cover where obama is sitting at his desk in the white house and there's a gigantic elephant on his couch
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You could check out the paris review.
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NYRB and LRB probably
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So a lot of you folks read Plato, Aristotle, some of you even the Pre-Socratics.
I find this bewildering, surely, atleast with the Pre-Socrates and definitely with a good chunk of the arguments put forth by Plato and Aristotle, you can't actually find them agreeable? (just picking some common examples by the way) It seems many folks who read these works are more interested in getting an idea of how a certain thought developed as opposed to finding thoughts they disagree and agree with and establishing why.
Wouldn't you folks find it more interesting to read philosophers whose thoughts make you think, "I can't seem to deny this, wait let me try, no, shit, I can't". In so far as those philosophers are concerned, Philosophers of Language and Logicians seems far more worth reading.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are people who read philosophers not commonly characterized as PoLs and Logicians who find them agreeable too, but I can't help but think that a large chunk of people reading these philosophies, going through historically prominent authors, are waiting for it to "get good", or just reading to expand their knowledge of different systems of thought, trying decipher what X person was trying to say, without actually agreeing with what X person was trying to say (in which case I'd ask, isn't it boring to argue over what X person believed? Isn't questioning what you believe, given what X person said, more interesting? I've seen arguments that go to the tune of "Hey Nietzsche said Z" // "No, actually if you read A he said Y" // at which point I'd much prefer the argument going along the lines of "Okay, let's assume he said Y, now the reason I wouldn't agree with Y either is..." // but I usually find people arguing along the lines of "No he did not say Y, if you read B he said...")
And it just so happens that Philosophers of Language and Logicians use more rigid analysis in so far as they try very hard to firmly establish something, be it with the use of Quantified Logic or whatever, say Frege for example started of by pointing to undeniable difference between the statements a=a and a=b with the rest of his paper focusing on how this difference arose.
The more phenomenological kind of authors have a much more limited audience in so far as not as many people would not find their starting points agreeabale, in so far as you are the kind of person that does find them convincing, I can imagine you having fun reading these authors, but given that I feel a lot of persons don't actually have any opinion on whether the author said something correct or incorrect, I don't see how that's any fun.
TL;DR: @people who read philosophies they don't agree with, why do you bother?
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>TL;DR: @people who read philosophies they don't agree with, why do you bother?
It's in my interests.
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>>8304199
are you retarded?
why would you just read people that you agree with? to validate your opinions?
are you american?
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>>8304212
>why would you just read people that you agree with? to validate your opinions
I should have been clearer, sorry...
>as opposed to finding thoughts they disagree and agree with and establishing why.
>disagree and agree with and establishing why.
>disagree
People don't seem to be interested in reading these authors to establish why they disagree with them either. It's more of a "to be well-read" sort of thing.
Here's Kant on one kind of the people I refer to (the history of philosophy buffs being only one subset of the folks I'm talking about):
>For some learned people, philosophy is just the history of philosophy (ancient and modern); these preliminaries aren’t written for them. They must wait their turn. When those who work to draw ·truth· from the well of reason itself have done their work, then the historians can give the world the news about their results. ·But they won’t regard it as news, because· nothing can be said now that the historians won’t think has been said already! And it is safe to predict that they’ll think the same about anything said in the future; human understanding has busied itself for centuries with countless topics in many ways, so it is to be expected that every new idea will resemble something that has been said in the past
And no, see, you assume I'm some kind of genius. Just because I agree with where someone is starting from doesn't mean I already have opinions that will be "validated" of where they end up.
>And this is important.
Taking the same example of Frege, I didn't agree with the conclusions he drew, but in so far as I had to agree with his first point (of a=a and a=b being different) given that I didn't agree with his thought of how this difference can exist, I had to form my own thoughts, or rather, see people who responded to this problem and try and build off their thoughts in the same manner.
I'll bring up what Kant said about this here, he always wanted people to go through the CoPR argument by argument, slowly finding that each of them were undeniable and he much preferred reviewers who went through the book in this way and brought up problems as opposed to folks who gave a general "I don't agree but it was fun" feedback.
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I woke today at around nine am, sat on the edge of my bed, lay back down and read thirty or so pages of " "Franny and Zooey" with the book held at arm's length above me, stood up and walked to the shower, rotated under the hot shower for around ten minutes. I stepped out of the shower, dried myself with a large thick white towel, combed my hair, put on boxer shorts, socks, black pleated cotton trousers and a white cotton shirt tucked into the waist of my trousers. From the wood-paneled twelve-foot-square bedroom I walked to the open-plan living room and kitchen and poured out some coffee. I carried the mug of coffee to the table I moved to the window at the rear of the cabin, overlooking the water, and placed it on a copy of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone", which I have re-read in order to analyze the structure and plot of the novel and also to see if it would be as entertaining to me as it was when I was around eight years old. I opened my laptop and pressed the spacebar so that it would turn on. I checked my email, drank some more coffee, and then cooked some scrambled eggs. I ate the scrambled eggs on toast while standing at the kitchen counter, and then drank orange juice from a small glass that resembled a "shot glass", pretending, to myself, in an attempt to entertain myself, that the orange juice was alcoholic, and that three shots of the orange juice had already left me extremely intoxicated. I stumbled self-consciously over to the sofa and "collapsed" in dramatic fashion, lay there for a while, stood up again and read fifty or so pages of "Franny and Zooey", frequently underlining phrases and sentences and pieces of dialogue and often making notes in the margin, mostly because I had perceived something in the text which I felt was worth making a note of, and partly because I enjoyed the sensation of writing and appreciating my handwriting. I crossed out the author's name on top of the page and wrote my own in block capitals, and continued doing this for several pages.
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Pedestrian.
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>pretending, to myself, in an attempt to entertain myself
I bet this is irritating you now.
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Recommendations:
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>Sci-Fi
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>>8304181
Does Erikson actually think he's a good poet?
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Why the hell not...
I posted before and it seemed you guys (as well as the critique thread) generally have a good opinion on my writing so I'll keep posting stuff as long as I write SFF
It's not like it costs me anything and maybe some of you will enjoy.
Here, have some comfy pics from where I live too.
http://pastebin.com/raw/HLbht5k2
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>>8304216
Promising. It reminds me of le guins writing although I couldn't point out why.