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ITT: Authors who are great storytellers but whose prose is shit

Pic related, I love reading Dick because his imagination and the worlds he comes up with are super imaginative and ahead of their time but he writes like an author of hardboiled detective stories from the 40s
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>>8309604
His prose isn't great but calling it shit is a bit exaggerated
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Today I finished 'do androids dream of electric sheep' and I had the exact same impression. I thoroughly enjoyed the underlying sociocultural and philosophical stuff and the mise en scene in general, but his style and especially dialogues are a bit forced and underwhelming. idk, am i crazy?

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How do you deal with expressing unopular opinions? Is there a possible way of publishing my views of the current world without being threatened by those against it? I have unpopular opinions that I write mostly on my free time that I think society should take notice of.
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fucking kek. Just publish it, it will help you realize no one cares and your "unpopular opinions" were well known and shit to begin with.
Good luck, OP.
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>that i think society should take notice of

geeze man
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Everytime you read a frogpost you die a little.

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Thinking about reading some nonfiction. Is this a solid list? http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-nonfiction/
Any bonus recs would be appreciated.
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Read Plato, my man
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>>8309505
>http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-nonfiction/

those are some weirdo lists. But I don't know how you'd ever create a 100 top non-fiction list.

I'd disregard the reader's list, looks like trolls managed to subvert it.

The only books that are on there that I really dig are the Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Ways of Seeing and the Autobiography of Malcolm X
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shit lists. the oe on the left has a couple of decent ones tho.

>scientology
>2nd place

lel

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This sucks
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you suck
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Dick sucks
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>>8309198
no it doesn't

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What a shitty story
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>>8309175
well yeah, duh
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>>8309175

If you ever see a phrase like that on the front of abook never, I repeat, never read it.

>Don't judge a book by it's cover

Fuck off
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i have no hands and i must shitpost

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What books of ancient Eastern religion/philosophy should I read? I have read pic related, Art of War, Tibetian Book of the Dead & Nagarjuna's Fundamental Verses on the Middle Way. Is there some sort of chart or guide for this category of literature? Are there any good secondary texts worth checking out? Also, the overlap between Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, etc. and the infinite delineations of Buddhism are completely mystifying to me- any useful resources for someone just getting his feet wet?
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>>8309143
For Buddhism, read the Diamond and the Heart Sutras. For Hinduism, start with the Bhagavad Gita. Those are the necessary foundational texts for those two traditions, but there are tons more after them.
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>>8309143
The Aryans came from Central Asia and settled in northern India between the Indus and Ganges rivers sometime in the 2nd millenium BC, bringing with them a religious practice based around rituals like sacrifice, fire purification and doing drugs. The hymns and mantras from this religion survive in the Vedas. Eventually, around 600BC, this Vedic religion became refined and developed into a compilation of philosophical texts called the Upanishads, which became the core of Hindu philosophy. Around this period (the same time as le Greeks begin doing philosophy also), people start questioning the traditional caste system. The Buddha comes along and breaks with mainstream Hinduism with his idea of escaping suffering through detatchment (obviously simplifying). Heterodox schools like the Buddhists, the Jains and others start gaining ground up to the birth of Christ. Hinduism adapts by creating works like the Bhagavad Gita and codifying a "classical Hinduism", after this Buddhism goes into decline and instead spreads outside of India into Tibet, SE Asia and China/Japan, each merging with the local traditions there and developing the 3 main schools of Buddhism that survive today.
Theravada: likely the most "pure" school,
Mahayana: Buddhism taking on a *lot* of influence from local mythologies and Taoism
Vajrayana: the form of Mahayana that took hold in Tibet, weirdly esotericist and involving stuff like achieving superpowers

Taoism is basically a philosophy that came out of traditional Chinese folk religion.

>>8309366
The Bhagavad Gita is superb. Easily the best religious/spiritual book I've ever read.
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Unfettered Mind

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Alright /lit/ I fell for the Russian meme.

What translation of Anna Karenina and War and Peace should I go for?

Can we please not let this descend into a solely P+V based discussion, or a "le learn russian meme" thread? Summer's dwindling.
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Constance Garnett
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I read the Maude translation of Anna Karenina and loved the prose. I would recommend that, and it comes Tolstoy approved.
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fell for the meme too and now im minoring in russian. gonna start the language classes in a little over a month.

i think the fascination started when i was 16 and played stalker then read roadside picnic

stay strong comrade

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Continental philosophy, never again.
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>>8309117

no book has so confidently advertised as a virtue its authors' illiteracy.
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>>8309127
Stay mad. Lmao, look at this.
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>>8309117
Nice bait. That book is absolute autism
>>8309151
Start with the Greeks

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>you will never chill and argue with Socrates in Ancient Greece
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anon- Hi Socrates, I'm a frogposter
Socrates- Go away
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end my life famalam
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>>8309079
>transported to ancient Greece
>oh shit I don't know which on is Socrates
>walk up to the oldest dude there, that's probably scrotes
>shit I don't know Greek
>try to argue through charades
>get arrested
>I'm a slave now
>Socrates walks in
>starts pounding my boipucci
>mfw

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How do I know if I like a book?
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Clean water ain't red, OP.
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>>8309074
t. Globalist
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>>8309063
You keep thinking about it after you have read it.

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I'm curious, and would like to ask a few questions to the general /lit/ populace. I would appreciate any thoughts on the matter that may be provided.

What exactly makes or breaks an author, and their work? Does bad writing alone do this, or are there other factors that may be involved as well? I understand the basic idea of bad writing, essentially a book that poorly tells its story for a variety of reasons. Including reasons such as revealing too much of the story in advance via poor structuring, dropping ideas mid-way, and never re-visiting them, as well as one-dimensional characters or villains with no real depth to them. Are there any other items, barring bad writing, that make you stay away from an author?

Is it really that wrong to enjoy writing that isn't very deep? It ends up with you reading instead of watching TV, playing games, etc. It may open up an appreciation, leading to reading deeper works. I know I don't read too many books that would like be considered fantastic writing by any means.
>Red Rising trilogy; Omega Force, Sword of Truth, Silver Ships series
>Individual books such as Ringworld, Ready Player One, and Forever War

One example from this list that I know bothers me is from the Silver Ships series. Specifically how the author seems to have a trend where women are increasingly become the main driving focus of the series. Side characters are predominately female, and anyone of significance, at least on the protagonist side, is usually female. Contrast this with the antagonist side being primarily male leadership, and it feels like he's poorly trying to push an agenda. The earlier books had strong female characters, and I liked that, but promoting strong female characters doesn't mean you have to downplay men in general. Despite this, and a few other issues (politics), I still read the series because I like the characters. The general story, at least for the first few books, is entertaining too.

How do you ease yourself into trying to read deeper works? Do you just start small, and then work your way up, or are there any other processes to it? Are some people doomed to only read 'cheap' fiction, and is that really such a bad thing?
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>>8309032
Start with the greeks
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>>8309032
Since you understand what makes a great writer and what makes a shitty writer you should be able to appreciate deeper works, instead of "cheap" fiction. However, "cheap" fiction can be entertaining as well from time to time, but I don't consider that "reading". More like time-passing.
It's the same with music. You may listen to a shitty pop album while cooking, but it's not really like closing your eyes, being concentrated and listening to a full jazz album. It's not active music listening, it's 100% passive.
The same goes with reading. Reading passively a "cheap" fiction book's good, but it's not really active reading and as a result you aren't used to actively reading and can't really appreciate a deeper book when it's the time to read it.
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>>8309032

you can read fiction which requires no exertion, just don't think that you're better than people who only watch television or play video games. nobody judges you for reading normie-books, but they really don't better you in any way.

most people I think start reading at the behest of some 'existential crisis' or other. Good literature more often than not serves as a sort of consolation for having lived. Like: "yeah this pretty much sucked for us as well and in much the same way only it was five hundred, a thousand, four thousand years ago."

I always recommend weird writers to people who want to get into proper literature-- Franz Kafka's short stories (they are insanely short) or something like Notes from Underground

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> What do you think about this author?
> What books have you read ?
> What is your favorite?
> Should I read more of it?
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why am I not allowed to read YA when I am a YA
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>>8309031
It never gets much deeper.
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>>8309042
YA isn't for young adults. It's called that to make the children and teenagers who read it feel more mature.

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Greatest Paragraph in English Literature?
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>>8308947
>Anything good or even redeemable
>SHV
No
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>>8308947
that's pretty good. What book anon?
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>>8308947
Only part of the book I found to be likeable tbhfam.
That and the part with the horses being driven by the men beyond exhaustion with bleeding mouths and cracked hooves.

The rest is smug mumbling.

also no, that's not the best paragraph

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Even if he said it, I don't think he believed it. I remember once hearing that John Lennon called Kubrick to see if they wanted to collaborate on an adaptation of Lord of the Rings and Kubrick dismissed the idea because he considered the trilogy unfilmable.
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clearly no
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>>8308915
That was probably just a polite rejection.

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>publish lesbian erotica on Amazon
>furiously clicking refresh on the reports page

Anyone else know this feel?
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>>8308867
Chuck Tingle Michael Wood and Roberto Pinchas probably do.
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link us guv
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>>8308867
Shill your book for us OP.

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