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What was the point of the hobbit's encounter with him?
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>>8486623
Never thought about this and am actually interested in a well-educated response, good question

If I had to take a guess it'd be to show that the Hobbits were legitimately unable to take care of themselves on their own at the novel's outset, as Tom had to come in and save their asses. Later on the Hobbits grew a bit stronger (still with help) until they develop in the Two Towers (for Mary and Pippin) and in the Return of the King (for Frodo and Sam) into independently strong and capable characters.

That or generic Tolkien was doing world building for later work
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Tom is Sauron.
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>>8486623
Was he Adam?

Favorite poem?
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>>8486606
Maud
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>>8486606
roses are red
violets are blue
infinite jest sucks
my diary desu
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>>8486606

Hvad så mand, er det et sygt skærmbillede eller hvad?

i've read his masterpieces, Absalom, Absalom, The Sound and the Fury, Light in August, and As I Lay Dying, as well as Sanctuary. how should i proceed with his lesser works? i figure i'd go chronological and start at the beginning. any thoughts? should i skip his first two? from what i've read, they appear to be not so well-composed.
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>>8486603
rose for emily and the hamlet i would say are essentials

rose for emily by the zombies is a great song also, dig it
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You read 5 novels and ask us how to read Faulkner.
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>>8486603
Go Down Moses, at least the hunting chapters

The Hamlet

Wild Palms

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What is your local library like?
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It smells funny. The scent is a mix of homeless people and the disinfectant they use on the books. On the other hand, it is the city's main branch so the selection is pretty good.
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It's nice. They have more Harold Bloom commentary books than the actual works of literature Bloom is commenting on. Interlibrary loan comes in handy.
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>>8486582

Pig-disgusting modern architecture. Fine selection of books. In terms of events, about 50/50 between suicide-inspiring poetry slams and visits from authors who are sometimes interesting.

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What's our opinion on him?
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>>8486552
Absolutely based. Makes me feel like an erudite gentleman whenever I read him.

I personally subscribe to his philosophy of "cosmic indifferentism" because it doesn't require a great deal of thought and allows me to act like a smug reactionary without having to care about current political events.
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>>8486552
turgid prose, more likely to be unintentionally comedic than disturbing or scary. very repetitive and mostly reliant on the narrators insisting what they saw was SO HORRIFYING THEY WENT INSANE FOR REAL TRUST ME rather than actually creating dread in the reader. the wacky racial obsessions with monkey ancestry and fishman miscegenation are the only fun parts. i read a penguin collection and the footnotes were more interesting than the stories so i might read a biography of him at some point because he seems like an interesting weirdo.

modern "lovecraftian" stuff is mostly irredeemable, though. his racial obsessions get sanitized away so all that's left is spooky fishmen, dumb fantasy lore about ancient gods and the idea that the mundane mathematical term "non-euclidean" means "so WRONG it makes you go INSANE". you live on a fucking sphere you tards, that's a non-euclidean surface
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>>8486677
DUDE I'M LIKE LITERALLY GOING INSANE JUST BY READING THIS THREAD ABOUT HIM

MY ENSUING INSANITY IS TOTALLY INDESCRIBABLE, REALLY GUYS

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Why do the best literary minds kill themselves/suffer from mental illness and depression?
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>>8486523
he wasn't one of the best literary minds. did Joyce kill himself? did Proust? Tolstoy? Kafka? Beckett?
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>>8486549
harrrddddoooooooo
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>>8486549
Did Ernest Cline?

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Should literature be comitted to political ideologies?

My view: yes, because of all the fine arts it is the only one with intellectual rigor in its core creative process. Art is in itself an antisocial assertion of the self. Selfishness, intellect & "political association" are the most important traits of this sub-species of primates.
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Bump.
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>>8486441

Literature will never be apolitical. As long as there are stories about any kind of human interaction, politics will be in the picture. Trying to disassociate politics from literature is not only stupid, but also wrong. If done from the position of power, it equals censorship.
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>>8486831
>Rise up brothers, the revolution is now
If all literature is political what is the politics of Hairy Maclary?

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What makes a translation 'good'? If the translator is a kind of purist and translates everything word for word, exactly as he can, is he a better translator than one who tries to recreate the feelings that the author is trying to convey? How much liberty do you think a translator can take with a piece of work before it becomes inaccurate?
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>How much liberty do you think a translator can take with a piece of work before it becomes inaccurate

translating is transforming the work. No way around that.

That being said, i prefer a tight interpretation over a purist translation with weird sentence structure.
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>>8486413
The perfect purist translation is a spook, especially when talking literary translation
The more recent translation theory I've been exposed to seems to have embraced what literary theory has to offer, namely Bakhtin and the notion of novelistic discourse, or 'uneigentliche Rede', which is the better term for describing what ancient rhetorics called the 'improprietas' use of words where words are assigned an extra, non-standardised meaning, like when paraphrase someone and use words that were not his own, and metasemes also rarely if ever allow for 'direct translation' (a spook)
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>>8486413
It's like doing a cover of a song.

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Anyone here writing a short story? Post a synopsis here

>cyberpunk story
>premise is that there's a VR-based MMO game that's super serious (think EVE online cranked up to 11) and has stakes comparable to the NFL
>spectators sometimes watch big battles between players
>there's some guy playing a wizard who is the strongest player in the game, and he gets a hit called on him in real life while he's in the VR world
>the protagonist who is tangentially involved then gets roped into an underworld crime conspiracy
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Sounds a lot like "Player of Games" by Ian Banks.

That said, the average LoL tournament watcher wouldn't care so why not pander to them.
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>>8486404
well, someone read neil stephenson
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>>8486404
>A girl gets a message that says "I love you" from a classmate
>this classmate is a ugly nerd guy who can talk only with her and the Science professor.
>the two guys love astronomy.
>The professor dies causing an incident. It's clear it is suicide.
>he offed himself because the sun is freezing and humanity has only two years before humanity ends.

I am sending this shit to a writing challenge, dubs names the short story.

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>Newton
>Hobbes
>Locke
>Russel
>Whitehead
>Dawkins
>Hitchens

Why are Brits such shit? What caused their materialism and dislike of speculation? What ripped the heart out of the land that gave us Shakespeare?
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>Newton
Alchemist, astrologer, cuckstian.

>Hobbes
Statetheist, deist.

>Locke
Deist.

>Hitchens
Proponent of 'other ways of knowing', serious Shakespeare fan.

Also materialism is a reasonable position until proven otherwise. Call me when a psychic wins the lottery.
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>>8486400
how do you mix Newton with that when he was basically an occultist

also how do you mix Dawkins and Hitchens with the rest when they are just pop culture memes of "smart guys"
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>>8486464
150 years ago Nietzsche was a 'pop culture meme smart guy'.

Oh wait he still is lol.

>North Korea bans sarcasm because Kim Jong-un fears people only agree with him ‘ironically’
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-bans-sarcasm-kim-jong-un-freedom-speech-a7231461.html

is this what post-postmodernism looks like?
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>>8486372
Kim Jung il is truly the hero of the modern age
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>>8486372
I support his decision.
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Crazy news story about North Korea? Must be true, the media shows the outmost source criticism when it comes to that country.

What does /lit/ think of Throne of Glass?
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>>8486269
I mean. It looks like pulpy genrefic
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it's YA

the author is a fucking cutie tho
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Recently the titles of YA have been really annoying me - "shadow and bone" "city of bones" "daughter of smoke and bone" "throne of glass" "city of glass" etc etc ad nauseum. Seems to me a pretty cynical attempt to cash in whilst also making the genre boring and standardised and homogeneous. I don't read YA but the YA fantasy industry could be offering much more to kids/teens than this samey pap.

And why is everything a fucking eighteen novel series? And whopping great volumes too, 600 odd pages sometimes. I watched something on book tube (I know) about one book which was just one in a presumably never-ending cash cow series which was longer than basically everything - the three original Foundation books put together, for example. Now I'm not saying that long books are a bad thing, but does every ya fantasy book need to be the same size, shape, cover art, title, font for the title?

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BECAUSE I DO NOT HOPE TO TURN AGAIN
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Till the wind shake a thousand whispers from the yew

And after this our exile
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ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
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based poem

superior to waste land I M O

I'm travelling to Vanuatu in a couple of months and I'd like to read up. Is there any Vanuatuan literature or authoritative histories?
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not much
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>>8486236
Infinite Jest
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The John Frum cargo cult. Not exactly literature, but the only mythos in the world based on canned pork. That's pretty unique.

Is there really anything better in this world than reading? I've been out of high school for 4 years, tried college 3 times but quit because of stress and anxiety and depression. During the past year I've just lived in an apartment alone reading books and listening to music and drinking coffee, it's been the best years of my life. How could going out to get some soul sucking, boring, dreary job ever give you the same fulfillment as reading a really good book? I've never fit in, I never wanted to be anything, I just want to read books.
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There are jobs where you can just sit there and read books, too.
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>>8486075
Not good ones.
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>>8486070
Sebastian?

Also, living life is better than reading, all you are doing is being an escapist, and you are on the same tier as 10 hour a day WoW gamers.

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