We need World War III to strike up creativity in writers of our generation. Yes? No? Discuss
>>9020731
What you need is rope tightly wrapping your neck, OP. That surely would strike up the beauty in this world!
>>9020731
Sure! Why not? Wars give aspiring writers plenty of material to work with.
We need people to put down their smartphones to strike up creativity. Maybe an ascetic movement will arise out of WWIII so we'll see.
Can someone please explain this quote from Pascal to me?
“The only thing that which consoles us for our miseries is diversion and yet this is the greatest of our miseries. For it is this which principally hinders us from reflecting upon ourselves and which makes us insensibly ruin ourselves. Without this we should be in a state of weariness and this weariness would spur us to seek a more solid means of escaping from it. But diversion amuses us and leads us unconsciously to death."
He does not mean a literal death but rather a symbolic one in which our "soul" dies and we do not think deeply about ourselves as human beings right?
>>9020713
Are you the same person that posted this exact question within the past couple of days?
>>9020719
I posted it yesterday yes. I need better answers quite frankly and since I am an alcoholic I don't have the capacity to learn on my own right now sorry.
>>9020713
I don't think it's a symbolic or inner death. As far as I know, Pascal doesn't mention that kind of death( that is, death of the soul whereas life itself hasnt reached its end yet). Several christian authors do (there's many kinds of "death" in St Augustine), but to me it doesn't suit Pascal's thoughts and style.
Also, more generally speaking : diversion is miserable, but it actually IS necessary. It's not like it would get you to hell. Diversion takes you away from yourself, but it's not like you could be close to God without diversion anyway (for it doesn't depend on you).
I readed the harry poter wat now???
ASOIAF is okay so far, but I'm only a book in. I'd suggest checking out Dune as it's science fiction worthy of being called literature.
>>9020674
Im only a book in on ASOIAF as well, well on like the last few chapters NO SPOILERS plEASE
>>9020666
Lemony Snickett may be more on your league.
Better'd try Twilight rape fan-fiction, though.
What are your thoughts on this novel?
It's about a road. Written by a guy named Cormac, if I remember correctly.
its pretty dull
What are the best books to get started with Eastern Philosophy?
You must commence with the chinese
start with the sikhs
>>9020618
Initiate with the Indians
divine comedy or paradise lost?
I havent read PL unfortunetely, so i cant compare. I liked DC tho
>>9020957
Milton takes himself a little too seriously but it's all good
Does anyone actually enjoy his work? Currently trying to get through Portrait of a Lady but it seems so emotionally cold that it's becoming a chore. I get that it's supposed to be the point of it but the book seems just so dated
I read Bostonians. It was pretty good, but at the same time boring (maybe it's problem of translation). Nice SJW trolling though
>>9020571
Not tryna troll. I just don't see the appeal of his work beyond the literary influence of it. Like I understand why he's important but something about his writing style is just so tedious to work through
>>9020571
g8 b8 m8 al8.
Did Dostoevsky never make it?
Of course he made it, I mean the man is still fervently praised on a Taiwanese aspie forum to this day
>>9020564
The true mark of a canonised author
We're all gonna make it brah
Describe your hometown, /lit/
The orginal Indian name of the town translates to, "Mudhole, full of assholes."
My hometown, c'est l'hiver
Whitewashed homes stand in the narrow shore-line, shaded by the pine.
Stark rosemary grows with sweet thyme, on dusty walls where small lizards hide.
Fig trees offer their fruits to the sun, incense children dance to the Indian drum.
Here Odysseus charmed for Circe fell.
Her perfume still lingers, and also her spell.
Does anyone else find it ironic how many teenagers and young adults hate on this book because they think it appeals exclusively to teenagers and young adults, while older readers generally accept its position as a classic of the 20th century?
>hate on
Stopped reading.
Ironic... not really. What gets me is that people seem to completely misunderstand the book. People constantly complain that he's a whiny bitch, but no. I can't think of a better description of a teenager on the cusp of adulthood, afraid of the responsibility and his indoctrination into a perceived world where no one is honest with each other and deeply unhappy.
Teenagers want to be cool, maybe. Adults will reread it and think, oh yeah, that's what it was like.
I think it stems from this expectation that protagonists are supposed to be likeable. Deeply troubling for me, because I think that teaching empathy is one of the greatest functions of lit.
Shall we dispel the
>translations
meme already?
There's no strong case to be made in favour of original text over a good translation. If fact, 99.99% of people won't even be able to distinguish which is which unless told in advance.
Common arguments for the meme are the following three:
>1. All languages have unique properties of expression that cannot be transferred to another tongue.
This is pure bs. All languages are capable of expressing all things, language is not a limiter, a thought is.
>2. Original works carries unique properties of a culture
Another load of shit. There's no reason to assume that same properties of a culture cannot be expressed in any other language.
>3. Argument for aesthetic/musical beauty of a language
I won't argue that because it only applies to poetry in which I have no interest, and not novels. There's also an argument to be made that language is first and foremost a tool for expression, and using it for it's 'musical' properties is lateral to it's purpose at best, and fucking stupid at worst.
I want to have sex with Machida.
>>9020452
dumb weeb
>99.99% of people won't even be able to distinguish which is which unless told in advance.
are you really this retarded
Gilgamesh was kind of a fag
>>9020431
Frick off, this was the first and best bromance of all time.
>‘Hear me, great ones of Uruk,
>I weep for Enkidu, my friend,
>Bitterly moaning like a woman mourning
>I weep for my brother.
>O Enkidu, my brother,
>You were the axe at my side,
>My hand's strength, the sword in my belt,
>The shield before me,
>A glorious robe, my fairest ornament;
>An evil Fate has robbed me.
>The wild ass and the gazelle
>That were father and mother,
>All long-tailed creatures that nourished you
>Weep for you,
>All the wild things of the plain and pastures;
>The paths that you loved in the forest of cedars
>Night and day murmur.
>Let the great ones of strong-walled Uruk
>Weep for you;
>Let the finger of blessing
>Be stretched out in mourning;
>Enkidu, young brother. Hark,
>There is an echo through all the country
>Like a mother mourning.
>Weep all the paths where we walked together;
>And the beasts we hunted, the bear and hyena,
>Tiger and panther, leopard and lion,
>The stag and the ibex, the bull and the doe.
>The river along whose banks we used to walk,
>Weeps for you,
>Ula of Elam and dear Euphrates
>Where once we drew water for the water-skins.
>The mountain we climbed where we slew the Watchman,
>Weeps for you.
>The warriors of strong-walled Uruk
>Where the Bull of Heaven was killed,
>Weep for you.
>All the people of Eridu
>Weep for you Enkidu.
>Those who brought grain for your eating
>Mourn for you now;
>Who rubbed oil on your back
>Mourn for you now;
>Who poured beer for your drinking
>Mourn for you now.
>The harlot who anointed you with fragrant ointment
>Laments for you now;
>The women of the palace, who brought you a wife,
>A chosen ring of good advice,
>Lament for you now.
>And the young men your brothers
>As though they were women
>Go long-haired in mourning.
>What is this sleep which holds you now?
>You are lost in the dark and cannot hear me.'
i was pretending to be a girl once on omegle so guys would help me talk through my troubles without just leaving, and one guy with a foot fetish explained my situations solution through the epic of gilgamesh
>>9020431
fragile masculinity is relatively new.
Is this brilliant or complete bullshit?
i know a woman who likes it very much so its probably dreadful
It is amazing. Here is a shit version of Naked Lunch.
>>9020468
I'm about 70 pages in and really enjoying parts of it. But it keeps devolving into endless descriptions of orgies and violence, does that have any significance or is it just supposed to shock me?
Do any of this fucker's works actually make any sense?
>>9020424
Yeah if you're not retarded
>>9020424
Description of a Struggle is totally nonsensical and easily his best work
>>9020424
the trial is basically young adult so
Do you think Sam Harris considered Peterson a complete fucktard by the end of their conversation?
Imagine spending 2 hours to explain a senile academic grandpa that true things are true even if you don't like them, while he screams about KGB
>believing science can found morality or ethics
Stopped reading right there!
No. Peterson has not a definitive conception of the world. He's trying to articulate ideas, not win the argument.
Harris however was completely exasperated.
>>9020402
>He's trying to articulate ideas
Well he's doing a shit job at it. At some point Peterson actually says "facts are not necessarily truth", kek.
I'd glad Harris actually called this fuck on his hypocrisy towards SJWs and didn't allow the discussion to move forward, he sacrificed the show but at least he didn't permit Peterson to interject his weirdass doublespeak interpretation of truth into further discourse