Just finished Catcher in the Rye for the first time. Pretty good book, but I don't think I completely understood Holden and his motivations. Did he fear growing up and rationalized it by calling society phony or is it the opposite, he saw people for what they truly are and chose not to partake in what he views as corrupt?
Same thing bruh.
Did you like the part where he rapes his sister Phoebe?
>>7405684
Is this a meme or something?
I have decided to offer you a choice, /lit/. You can only choose one.
1. Publish a trash-tier novel that becomes a bestseller. You are trashed in the press by the critics and media. You become cannon fodder for bad late night comedians. The educated smirk when your name is brought up at dinner parties. Your words are prime meme material for internet forums. Fortunately for you, the book is optioned for a movie franchise that's handled better than your book and your lawyer wisely negotiates royalties.
You are set for the rest of your life. No more worrying about rent. No more worrying about food on the table. Drive nice cars. Stay in luxurious hotels. You can spend the rest of your days getting supermodel blowjobs on private jets or spend the rest of your days laying the sun on your 100-foot sailboat in the French Riviera or spend the rest of your days floating in your cliffside pool on any coast you prefer. In short, you can do whatever you want.
However, to the educated, you'll forever be considered a joke. Your family will be well off for a few generations, though they won't generally acknowledge where the family money came from. Some of them will just change their name completely. Your name will largely be forgotten to history before you're even dead. Certainly after. Maybe some grandmother from some small town in the midwest will remember you as, "wasn't he the guy who wrote that book that became that movie for teen girls?"
2. Publish a novel that goes largely unnoticed aside from, at most, some small, local press. You know how great you are and can't understand why you're not a massive success. You turn to drugs and alcohol to satiate the nagging knowledge that you're better than this. You become a joke to your family and friends. A scumbag drug addict that couldn't let his dream die. You owe money all over town. A couple close family members do what they can, as long as they can, but they can't keep it up forever. Maybe you choose to ignore the drugs and alcohol? You live the rest of your life no different than if you never published in the first place. It slowly drives you crazy. The point is, you die in tortured anonymity.
A hundred years after you're long dead and a few of your generations have amounted to little more than working class stiffs, a critic of considerable influence and renown comes across your novel. He discovers it in a dusty, used bookstore or it arrives on his desk, sent by an anonymous fan.
His praise truly means something and your novel spreads like wildfire. Your life is revisited and combed over by scholars the world over. Your lost writing becomes the subject of graduate student theses in every university. Your novel is translated into more languages than "le Petite Prince."
Long story short, you become widely regarded as one of history's greatest writers. A sad tale, indeed. Dying relatively penniless and anonymous. Ultimately, your words prevail and your legacy becomes a vital part of human history.
3. You publish nothing. Choose not to play. You continue to enjoy your life as best you can. In your spare time, you share a passion for literature and art, hopefully with friends in real life, but on the internet is just fine. You read the classics and memorize your favorite prose. You get drunk and shitpost in forums. Meh, it's fun. You go to your job during the week and get the weekend off and then you start over and do it all again. Maybe you find someone to love? Maybe not? Maybe you have kids who provide you grandkids? You like spending time with the grandkids. You, too, die anonymously, but as happy as we all can be. Life is just life.
What do you choose, /lit/?
>brilliant director
>oscar winning actor
>straight A student with doctorate in multiple academic fields
>incredibly handsome ladiesman, can have literally anyone.
>down to earth comedian who doesn't take himself too seriously
>Professor at ivy league university.
>Philosopher who killed postmodernism
>voice of our generation
Is there anything he CAN'T do?
>Is there anything he CAN'T do?
be the person he pretends to be
2nd rate shia labeouf.
>>7405551
Getting straight A's is nothing special now-a-days thanks to grade inflation bud.
He's a garbage writer in every format of the written word.
And on that note, what the fuck is he doing on /lit/?
I wanna see your guy's bibles
>>7405471
>New American Standard
nigga do you even into christ
King James is best translation
>>7405471
Thank Moses, Jesus and L. Ron Hubbard, I'm cured.
>>7405471
From 1904.
you cannot avoid choosing
looks stupid desu
free verse
formalism is for /pol/tards
>>7404981
good luck saying your poems aloud anon
>He stepped out of the car into solid ground and open air. Our celestial mother above proudly blazed as he dragged a hit of oxygen and light-headedly almost felt to float up into the heavenly expanse as the stuffy confines were left behind him and he was suddenly aware that it's a big, big, world around him, what a world to be lost in! His point of view fell from the balcony of his ego, down and down and down to where he stood in the centre of that instant.
What did he mean by this?
He realized that matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that all life is but one concience experiencing itself subjectively, there's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves
>into solid ground and open air
welp, lost me
sorry, weirdo pomo man, dont have time for writers who make you guess what they mean
>shit was dank af
Am I the only one who found Pynchon's use of Entropy/The parabolic path of the rocket as metaphors for the rise and fall of human life as unbearably pretentious and without much legitimate philosophical substance?
>Am I the only one
no, but you're in the company of a bunch of plebs.
funny story, he has a short story about entropy in slow learner, it's reel gud.
>>7404846
No, you're not. Pynchon is the Family Guy of literature: throwing out references which having nothing to do with anything except his schizoid view of the world.
>>7404858
Excellent bait, friend. It's almost like you're sincere.
I haven't read any Lacan or Hegels. How fucked am I?
not very if you understand the basics of the real/symbolic etc
zizek is literally a comedian, he writes enterntaiment for people who know philosophy
WHY would you read a book about Hegel wiothut reading Hegel?
What /is/ the difference between the real and the symbolic?
I mean really
What's a good book focusing on the history of Ancient Greece? Preferably an eBook.
Pomeroy is OK but there is a longer version just called "Ancient Greece." It's pirateable. It's the textbook used alongside Kagan's Yale course:
http://oyc.yale.edu/classics/clcv-205
Bury + Meiggs is nice. Grote rhymes with scrote.
thucydides
or xenophon
>>7404699
do you know where i can find the longer version? i looked on bookz but there's nothing
What's the difference for Kant between to think and to know?
I think you know you kant know
>muh noumena
>>7404659
You seem to know. Do you could help me where can I find the resolution to my problem?
What are some good books on human psychology and how to manipulate it to one's own benefit? Some that I know-
>The 48 Laws of Power
>The Art of Seduction
>The 33 Strategies of War
>The Art of the Deal
The Prince obviously
The Art of War
How To Make Friends and Influence People
Is it necessary to get a university level education in English or Philosophy to be a good writer? Or would it be just as effective to read and write a shit ton on your own?
>>7404451
Just do it ffam
necessary? no
but it helps to have smart people around to help you fully understand some texts and/or talk and give you pointers. if you have a couple of patrician friends and enough will to read enough on a consistent basis then you could probably not tell the difference.
>>7404451
It's necessary if you want a degree and want to work somewhere that requires a degree. It's also necessary if you wish to establish connections with other people with your interests and to discuss texts and ideas with people more intelligent and experienced than you.
Otherwise, if you're disciplined, you can learn and read more than a typical university education on your own.
itt we shit up books with valid but retarded interpretations of them
>molloy is about a zombie
>prove me wrong
>>7404402
That was my take as well.
Nothing crazy actually happens, everyone is just PTSD'd out the ass.
>the whole magic theatre business was a long metaphor for an aspie's first blowjob
>entrepreneur
>innovation
>proactive
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stay resentful, pleb
>>7404374
I liked it when my noble overlords had some aesthetic sensibility and weren't corporate robots who pretended to be hip friendly "guys"
What's inside?
>>7404250
A book.
>>7404250
Define "inside."
Get the fuck off my board.