Is it best to live with unabashed elitism or unbridled compassion?
I find both temperaments to be appealing. A certain dose of elitism is necessary to prevent cultural/intellectual decline. It gives us a set of standards and encourages to live up to then. However, compassion toward others is far likelier to engender fulfillment. The life of an elitist is often a bitter and angry one.
For example, a handful of my colleagues and fellow community members are involved in a feminist collective. This collective ultimately does little other than to perpetuate this bullshit slacktivist ethos, as if liking a Facebook post that espouses feminism will do anything to help the plight of women. They've merely created an echo chamber and now treat it as courageous activism.
However, knowing some of the individuals involved, I can say that they are genuinely well-meaning people. They really do seem to want to make the world a better place, and even if I find their methods totally vacuous, I find myself admiring their spirit. Plus, though I do contend that elitism can yield benefits, it's hard for me to shake the idea that my elitism toward these young women amounts to little more than self-aggrandizement.
So what do you say /lit/? Are there any novels or thinkers that deal with the tension between these two temperaments? Or some which argue decidedly in favor of one over the other that you think I'd benefit from reading?
Having some balance and not giving too much of a shit about other people's development. Work towards bettering yourself.
What happens when you have cultural decline? I never study what happens if that was an event that could happen.
>>7879089
I agree that it's best to focus on your own personal growth, but at the same time each person's individual development feeds into society at large which necessarily has an impact on all of those within it. No man is an island and whatnot.
Let's talk bookmarks. What do you prefer?
Silk? Cardboard? Metal? Perhaps one of those fugly persian carpet bookmarks that mothers bring from trips to Istanbul? Train tickets? Carved wood? The ones that come with every single book from bookdepository?
memory
I use those paint chips you can get at he hardware store. It is always always always coordinated with the cover.
>>7879036
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I heard there are censored versions of Gulliver's travels.
Oxford World's Classics/Penguin cool?
>dat lilliputian jap's eye cave explorer scene
>>7878956
What is there to censor? Great book btw OP. If you're not triggered by ebooks, there's a free kindle version on amazon that I assume is untouched.
Which ancient Greek text did you start with?
The Republic, read it with zero introduction on Plato and philosophy and it was quite a fun read.
>>7878912
Oedipus.
>>7878912
The Odyssey
http://www.toptenbooks.net/authors/david-foster-wallace
Is this a joke? Stephen King....
He was a poser faggot when talking about what her liked. He pretended to like star wars episode one and shit.
>>7878810
He was very self-conscious about being pretentious, which is why he took such efforts to demonstrate that he wasn't a snob.
I think if you asked him what his Top 10 books were in a personal conversation, he wouldn't be able to answer without worrying about what you would think of his choices.
Choosing commercial fiction authors that are looked down upon by the literary establishment (which he was a part of) is his way of avoiding anxiety and denying his vanity
>>7878826
that makes a lot of sense. after listening to the KCRW interviews and reading between the lines in his work i'm pretty convinced his struggles with privilege guilt were one of the main contributing factors to his self-regard
SJWs BTFO. Also: wincest.Ian McEwan
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/02/ian-mcewan-criticised-over-transgender-remarks
He has... Some good points, and some bad ones. There is this horrible victim complex in a lot of the circles containing the transgender population, but being transgender is not a new thing. It's been going on for centuries. It's only now getting the publicity that it has because of the internet and the gay rights movement.
I'm trans and I hate most trannies. They're self-righteous, demanding cunts who think screaming "DISCRIMINATION" at people is going to make them accept us.
There's hardly anyone in my life who knows I'm trans. To them, I'm just a dude they know, nothing weird about me. Very close friends know that I have no penis. And people I want to fuck, of course. That behavior is why people accept me, because I want to be treated like a man and so present myself as a man, not a transgender rights activist.
Act the way you want to present yourself, and there won't need to be a question of trans rights. They'll just be.
/pol/ here
redpill me on literature
>>7878788
"Nonbinary" people have hopped onto trangender rights and diluted them. It's just hilarious because with their "everyone can be everything" feelgood, don't hurt my feels nature they actually undermine and question the struggles of transgender people. By making what you identify as just a choice like coffee or tea, they invalidate the argument for transgender people suffering from a disorder that deserves to be treated (such as with hormones and surgery).
Basically it sucks.
Thoughts?
>>7878700
David Foster Wallace didn't look like a fucking caveman
I don't understand why Jesse Eisenberg gets cast in anything. The dude is such a shit actor.
>>7878700
garbage, haven't seen it.
Character Name Thread.
It's one of the hardest fucking parts of writing. What's this dude's name?
Discuss, suggest, ask and help out.
just make it some high brow reference like everyone else does
MC's first name is Asher, nickname Ash, can't figure out a last name for him but he's a really typical dude in his early 20s in a devout christian family in white suburbia.
Love interest is a long-haired pillock with a passion for BDSM and ropes, wanted to give him a biblical name. This is the list I came up with so far:
Ephraim
Jude (but I have an ex named Jude so probably not)
Levi (The Book of Levi/Leviticus possible book names)
Noah
Raphael
Cain (way too obvious)
i like making the names anagrams of other words, like wet anus -> sue want, or something incredibly sad/banal -> bartleby dedominicis langhans. it's fun, much moreso than agonising over meanings.
So I picked up Infinite Jest and I can't help but feel underwhelmed. He writes in such a way that whatever information is inbound comes in a way that is both unclear and confusing. I can't quite understand what did he mean by needing to include details of someone shuffling change and his shoe being parallel to what is his something something relative all the while failing to explain what the fuck is going around.
This book feels like a headache. Is it worth pursuing? I swear to God, at least Moby Dick knew better how to present it's narrative without coming off as too obtuse.
Imo he does it because it so real and banal that it doesnt belong in literature. From what I understand a large part of the book is dedicated to figuring out what is real and unreal and how it applies to literature. I honestly dont really know what im talking about but I think he's representing how an author represents reality in a society where it is impossible to figure out whats real and whats not.
>>7878648
And he oscillates between hyperreal and surreal to portray this. Also I dont know how to connect it but a large part is also showing the failure of metafiction and basically it only leads to insanity. But its it's weird because he engages in everything that he criticizes.
>>7878648
I see, I see. I just feel being repelled, almost as if reading something that I was designed not to like in the first place. Also, what's up with the endnotes? Notes in general. Jesus Christ, the first page has more than enough material to have at least an another page as supplementary notes.
>>7878667
I would assume you know nothing more than spout 'Pleb this, pleb that' without actually explaining anything or participating in the thread in a meaningful way. Shouldn't you be reposting macros of Max Stirner and shouting 'Spooks' at everything you happen to dislike?
/lit/: The Book
Seriously though, is this worth checking out?
Looks interesting, it came out just a month ago, so don't expect any "proper" answers.
>hardcover
>$104
>kindle
>$80
fuuuccckkkk off
vulture shit
In 50 years, will writers celebrate the culture of the early internet?
Maybe a little. But desu most of the appeal of there internet is the novelty and newness, the feeling of being on it.
I doubt that will translated into lit well.
I'm sure eventually writers will be able to talk about phones and texts without it seeking forced though
Not really related to OP, but has anyone written a novel which takes place on the internet?
>>7878489
There was a /lit/izen who wrote one. I have an epub if you want it.
>a novel
>from the author of
>author's name is bigger than the title of the book
>translator's name is bigger than the name of the author
>cowritten
This story...holy shit.
Instead of a literally meaningless post why not tell us what you thought about it?
>>7878797
He just wants someone to ask him, anon! He wants to feel interesting, anon! Don't you understand?!
it's bs imho
college Americans lap it up
Since hedonism is the new meme, I'd like to ask you /lit/izen a question: what's so bad about it?
temporary fulfillment is not fulfillment
>>7878406
actually, ever since the BNW thread, I've been preparing an entire long post where I tackle at once all the reasons why hedonism is bad. Sorry that I can't find time to properly finish it -- I'm completely overwhelmed by the amount of new issues from my Brazzers subscription which I haven't yet *watched*
kek if you know what I mean
>>7878418
>fulfillment
Give me one solid reason to buy hardcover over paperback.There isn't one.
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Also, how to acquire the perfect book shelf aesthetic? Dust jacket or not?
Hardcover/Leatherbound books are nice if you're really into that story. I see it like a collector's edition. It's nice if you have disposable income. I just buy used paperbacks.
I don't really like dust jackets, it makes it awkward when you can to take it off when reading and then putting it back on. And it looks so strange because a lot of the time the dust jacket paper/plastic and artwork is way too slick looking.
>>7878319
I agree with you basically anon: I never buy hardcovers if I can help it, they're too heavy and difficult to manipulate physically while reading.
There are some books that you ought to own hardcovers of though. I tried to read Infinite Jest as a paperback and couldn't do it. The thing came apart. Anything much bigger than about 750 pages and it's hardcover only for me.
I typically keep the dust jackets on until I finish reading the book. It protects the underneath part from getting damaged. Once I'm finished with it, though, I put the dust jacket away so that it will look nicer on my shelf.
I take the dust jackets off when I read because I don't want to deal with slippery fucking floppy bullshit when I'm reading.
I prefer paperbacks, but if a translation is only available in hardback then so be it. I have big hands so I don't find them uncomfortable.
Personally I find the chaotic nature of a disorganised bookshelf to have a pleasant aesthetic quality. I've seen shelves which are immaculately presented and it makes it look like you have never read a book in your life.