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UC Berkley ban on "anti-zionist language" BTFO by Judith Butler - thoughts?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-makdisibutler-uc-antisemitism-report-20160323-story.html
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I go to Berkeley, pretty sure it got overturned.

I don't need to watch the video, it's a political view. racist speech shouldn't be blocked either but the issue here is obvious, especially because this is the birth of the free speech movement
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http://www.dailycal.org/2016/03/23/uc-board-regents-approves-amended-statement-principles-intolerance-condemning-anti-semitism/

here

>At its Wednesday meeting, the UC Board of Regents preliminarily approved a statement of principles against intolerance that condemns anti-Semitism but does not name anti-Zionism itself as a form of discrimination.
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She's partially at fault for reforms like this.

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( picked this photo so people would click and read )

Instead of it being about someone with writers block, or a story about a writer

its about a guy who is afraid to write because he won't like it, not because other people wont like it.

of course thats not a new idea

whats new is that he presents the possibility that stories have always existed and "writers" and the possibility of "writing" is an illusion invented to explain where stories come from.

maybe he thinks that if you are selfish enough to try to make a story that people will enjoy, there will be some ultimate punishment, maybe death.

of course, it would be stupid if the story is about that. because thats ridiculous.

my idea is to have a story where we wonder if this main character actually believes that or is just so scared of not being good that he actually doesnt try to write.
and the story here would be that someone else has begun to wonder about this, or maybe they know what happens, and the story and dialogue would happen with these two guys, in the library where the main guy is deciding whether or not he can write.
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nice butt
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>>7887725
Seconded
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her butt looks cool

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I'm looking for books on africa history during the 1800s. Any info about the Swahilli people would be nice too.
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wrong place to ask unfortunately
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>>7887678
I asked on his but one guy suggested lit. Oh well
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I think they were kings, but don't quote me on that.

Ask /his/

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define "übermensch"
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Someone who makes it over the abyss
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big guy
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supposedly loves life not just theirs but all life, the love of life for life, not just gene purification or attainment of perfection through science, that's a cop-out imo

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What are the best books written by people who are not white males? Lit's top 100 only has white male authors.

Pic unrelated.
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"Hamlet" is by William "Willa" Shakespeare, a black woman from Harlem.
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>>7887016
> Lit's top 100 only has white male authors.

for one that's not true

and the answer to your question is the japanese
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Richard Bachman is a nigga and pretty good.

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how do I into calvino?

Whats lits opinion of this book?
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a small contingent of posters dont like him; most find him somewhere between charming and brilliant

if on a winter's night is generally well regarded; invisible cities is a bit more divisive but as i said, people who like it as in the majority
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>>7886930
just fucking pick up the book and read it. why do people ask these stupid ass questions.
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>>7886939
im still reading the first chapter. there seems to be no discernible story to follow, should i just read it like poetry?

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Which authors were ahead of their time?
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no man can surpass his own time
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>>7886861
>Melville
>Dante
>Joyce
> Gene Wolfe
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h.g. wells....get it haha? cuz he writed about time travul and stuff....hehe he was totaly ahead of theyre time

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banned from /pol/
shunned by /his/
r8 my theory/lit/ ?

Eroticism and violence are objectively the same but subjectively different
Pure Violence: Exclusive
>Lion is hungry, lion is aware and intends to eat the gazelle which is unaware of the lions hunger or intention, lion kills gazelle.
>Anxiety caused by: aversion of own death
>Win condition: Relieve anxiety through death of other
Pure Eroticism: Inclusive
>Person A has desire to have sex with person B, Person B has desire to have sex with person A, Persons A and B have sex.
>Anxiety caused by: want for sex
>Win condition: Relieve anxiety through Orgasm
In both cases anxiety is caused by homeostasis (visceral needs) or perceived obstruction of freedom (conflicting interest).
Resolution of anxiety by attaining visceral needs

Homeostasis
>Killing secures means of survival (saftey, resources) therefore violence seeks to maintain homeostasis
>Sex is a visceral need (theoretically), therefore eroticism seeks to maintain homeostasis
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However Eroticism and Violence do not manifest themselves in the absolutely pure form for the most part. Because of this there arises conflicting interest when relieving anxiety for one subject causes anxiety for another. This is the obstruction of freedom.
Mitigated Violence: responsive violence
>When the gazelle becomes aware of the lion's intentions it can either fight back or flee, seeking to relieve anxiety in the same way the lion seeks to relieve anxiety
Aggravated Eroticism: Single aggressor
>If person A wants to have sex with person B but person B does not, than person A has anxiety which they intend to relieve but person B does not have this anxiety (or has it to a lesser extent). This restricts Person A's ability to relieve anxiety, and any attempt person A makes to relieve this anxiety will cause anxiety to person B.
When Violence or Eroticism move beyond their functional forms they become 'emotional behaviours'. These behaviours seek to fulfill the subjective want opposed to the objective need.
Aggravated Violence: unnecessary violence
>No (less) visceral anxiety, goal is to kill (although other benefits may result).
Mitigated Eroticism: altruistic relationships
>No (less) visceral anxiety, goal is not sex (although sex may be present)
The difference between all these things are based in subjectivity
Things that are subjectively 'right' (far left/right of spectrum) relieve anxiety or satisfy needs. Things that are subjectively 'wrong' (center of the spectrum) increase anxiety and either fail to satisfy needs or create new needs.
Subjective appraisal of 'right' or 'wrong' will increase or decrease general anxiety
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Far Left (dealing with 'I' vs 'Them')
>Say you are a hunter and a deer has been eating the flowers from your front lawn, if you were to kill this deer it would be 'aggravated violence'. I propose that one would be caused less anxiety by eating the meat of this troublesome deer than they would be caused by eating beef from a cow who's reason for dying was to satisfy hunger (pure violence). And you would feel the greatest anxiety from eating another human, if you were aware of the extent their aversion to death (mitigated violence).
- Note: the "humanness" of meat is not the defining factor. If you truly wanted to kill another person I propose you would not be caused great anxiety by additionally eating them, and you would feel great distress if you were to eat your family dog simply because you were hungry and had no other food available.
Far Right (dealing with 'I' and 'Them')
>Despite what Freud has to say about subconscious sexuality, many men and women find that (if they have a 'healthy' relationship) their relationship with their opposite sex parent is 'ideal' (an example of mitigated eroticism). The reason you love your mother or father is not because you want to have sex with them, but instead because the relationship relieves anxiety through communication, acceptance, and other social desires. A sexual partner like a spouse will also reduce anxiety (also mitigated eroticism), however a relationship that exists only for sex and lacks the wide array of social desires would do much less to reduce anxiety (Pure eroticism). These are followed by behaviours such as stalking or rape (aggravated eroticism), which cause great anxiety for the non-consenting party , while doing little to reduce the anxiety of the aggressor and quite possibly creating new sources of anxiety.
Note: I am using consent loosely to define shared interest
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The Center (Heterostasis)
>The center point is the point of the greatest anxiety. This is caused by the switch between the exclusive and inclusive nature of goals on the opposing ends.
Exclusive goals are most attainable if free will is exercised only by the individual
>If we respect the desires of the cow, and promote or even aid the cow in exercising its free will the dairy and beef industries would fall apart.
Inclusive goals are most attainable if interest is shared by all stakeholders
>Everyone wants to have friends. If were to incarcerate your 'friends' they would be more readily available to you, but less inclined/likely to supply you with the social desires that lead to us wanting friends in the first place.
To reduce anxiety, one should deviate from the center as much as possible
>Rape is less pleasurable than platonic friendship
>Killing your enemies is more satisfying than fighting off an attacker

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>>7886678
cool
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eh, only burned a couple pages.. if it was the wardine be cry chapter then it actually improved the book
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Minimalist and somewhat ironically naive. It made me smile. 7/10

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Hey guys. I was thinking we could have a specific requests thread. I want to keep the thread concise and informative, so please don't go off on irrelevant, ironic tangents. To prevent this, let's not make requests for 'books about love' or anything vague of that nature. Rather, specific topics of interest would be appropriate. I'll start:

1. I'm looking for nonfiction or fiction (not Augustus or I, Claudius) that deals with the life of Julia (specifically her exile), daughter of Augustus.

2. I'm looking for nonfiction/critical theory that comments on a viewer's natural tendency to collapse differing stimuli into one individual stimulus (this could be aesthetic, but would preferably be critical theory pertaining to literature).

3. Nonfiction on the limitations of the novel

4. Nonfiction on genre theory

Thanks for responses and I'll contribute as much as I can. Hope everyone finds what they're looking for!
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>>7886624
help yourself :)
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>>7886629
Can't, I'm seeking assistance.
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>>7886624
>4. Nonfiction on genre theory

This is still pretty vague. Do you want an introduction, or an specific analysis on a certain genre, or what?

As for your third request, the same. The limitations of the novel as a narrative genre? Or within a certain framework? And if so, what framework?

The first two are quite specific, but unfortunately I can't help you with them, sorry.

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Literature has ruined what could have been a terror-free experience. Because it exists, one can not live outside of anxiety, constantly how one may acquire the correct reading of its contents, which is of infinite length.

Literature has ruined what could have been a terror-free experience. But as it is the majority of people would rather not be alive, precisely because literature exists.

Or am I wrong?
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>>7886390
Ah, so this must be what I sound like when I'm having one of my manic episodes.
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There is nothing logical about your post whatsoever.
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I agree, actually, it makes perfect sense.

Expand your idea to a manifesto and drop it off at local schools and police stations in dark clothes.

Have you read any of Donald Barthelme's recommendations? I've read about 25, and 16 of those are now among my favorite books.

http://www.believermag.com/issues/200310/?read=barthelme_syllabus
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>>7886322
donald barthelme is a fucking hack
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>>7886322
That's a great list. Lots of familiar ones. Nog doesn't get talked about much at all
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>>7886342
What'd you read?

>>7886343
Agreed. Brilliant list.

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Hi everyone, i'm new to reading and literature in general. What book do you recommend I read first ? I've read some Shaekespeare, and although I loved it the language was more of an obstacle than anything. I've read some Cormac McCarthy too. I want something not too long, pleasant, with some kind of moral.
Any ideas to help a newb like me ?
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>>7886144
Gonna check it out, thx
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>>7886144
Excellent suggestion bro, esp. for aspiring literature lovers.

Also: check out some Tolstoy novella's.

Is it just me, or is this not very well written? The dialogue especially seems really stiff and empty, and with a lot of "he said sadly, he said frustratingly"

I just started it and it's really engrossing, but I'm hoping the writing isn't too distracting as I get deeper into it.
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>>7886058

Genre fiction is never well written
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tolkien a shit. same fandom with star wars...
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i like the style. maybe it's because it's literally one of the first books i ever read by myself, but it feels comfy in a somewhat old fashioned but sincere way.

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So how come you all don't talk about this masterwork nearly as much as you should?
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>>7886052
Nigga that shit is 2000 pages fuck that shit
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>>7886052
it actually gets talked about quite a lot. just not constantly. it gets what it deserves.
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>>7886052
old lit would discuss it from time to time.
new lit doesn't because new lit doesn't read.
it's all about the memes now.

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