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where to start with lacan
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don't
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bruce fink's clinical introduction

or if you're more interested in theory

hegel, saussure, freud, the other structuralist, marx -> hegel
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>>8212193
Better off reading some other psychoanalysts and psychologists because Lacan is pretty difficult.

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Top 10 David Foster Wallace books!!
1. Infinite Jest
2. Infinite Jest
3. Infinite Jest
4. Infinite Jest
5. Infinite Jest
6. Infinite Jest
7. Infinite Jest
8. Infinite Jest
9. Infinite Jest
10. Infinite Jest
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1. Broom of The System
2. Pale King
3. A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again
4. Infinite Jest
5. Consider The Lobster
6. Oblivion
7. Brief Interviews With Hideous Men
8. Girl With The Curious Hair
9. Both Flesh and Not
10. Everything and More
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>>8212120
really? never seen someone like broom that much
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>>8212122
Yeah. I'm a sucker for the whole postmodernist wild goose chase thing, also the end of 80's feel

I think Broom and Pale King both surpass Infinite Jest because they don't feel as forced or self consciously 'literary'
I'm not saying I don't like Infinite Jest, but it all feels very contrived in its faux sincerity
Broom is pretentious but it feels like a piece of young manic writing, not plodding 'grown up' lecturing as IJ often does

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How do I read books faster and not constantly get distracted while reading?
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>>8212085
Take your ritalin/aderall/crystal (depending on your age and economic background)
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>>8212085

You definitely build up stamina to reading the more you do it-- like anything else. If all you can do is read 10 pages at a time, then read 10 pages at a time consistently and soon you'll be able to read 20 etc.

It also helps to read material that is appropriate for you (not too advanced). If you're new to reading a lot of literature might come across as boring and hard to read. Search around for books you really enjoy. The starter kit on /lit/ is solid-- these are fairly easy reads which most people readily enjoy.

Also, a non-reader can definitely become a reader. I never read when I was a kid and made an effort to develop the habit when I was in my early 20s and had lots of success.
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>>8212098
I don't got the ADHD, who can I hit up for some Ritalin?

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What are some books that will motivate me to work hard, pursue knowledge and work on myself?
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Thus spoke zarathustra
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Meditations of Marcus Aurelius
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I find that a really thick hardcover book flunk at ones head is all the motivation you need.

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What do you think of this list: http://thegreatestbooks.org/
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It's stupid to make lists like this, pretty broadly. "Quality" does not work that way.
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>aggregated list
>way too many americans

bloom's list is better and more comprehensive. this is basically just metacritic for books.
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>>8211972
I mean, it could be worse, but it certainly isn't good.

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Are there any books that deal with being a character in a videogame?

I think a book about a mario clone that deals with reincarnation and being an useless puppet to some God desires to fullfill a destiny that is repetitive could win some prize.
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It probably could win some prize if it was self-aware, "clever," and funny. Sounds pretty autistic to me though.
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yes, tons of books deal with self-aware AI having existential crises, or even before that with dream characters realizing they're dreams, etc, etc, it's been done to death.

specifically dealing with videogames i've only seen in it in shitty scif-fi short story in a magazine and in dot hack A.I buster (don't ask how i know).
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>>8211938
Videogames deal with this specific theme better anyway (as if it was made specifically for a game's capabilities or something)
Just play the Stanley Parable.

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Which book or books do you keep coming back to? Which have you re-read the most? For me it's The Time Machine. I re-read it 3 or 4 times a year and it never fails to capture my imagination. Which is it for you and why also if you care to share.
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honestly, lolita. it kind of opened me to aesthetic pleasure in the written word. i have the annotated edition so I'm never really reading it the same way.
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>>8211862
The Martian Chronicles, simply because it was the book that made me want to read more books.
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I read Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass at least twice a year. It's just so much fun.

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Is it justifiable to read books for the story and to not look into deeper meanings of the book (where there are some)

I.E.

This girl asks me if I have read Fahrenheit 451, and I went on to tell (although this seems drawn out it was quite brief) her how I really enjoyed it and that it speaks a lot on censorship, anti-intellectualism, etc. Most of which is just generally what you can retain from the book if you have basic critical thinking skills.

She responded with, "Yeah it was a cool story, I like sci-fi."

Is it justifiable to read a story with an obvious deeper meaning just for the plot?

Or am I just an elitist prick? Probably.
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>>8211832
>genre fiction
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>>Other people are only allowed to enjoy a book the same way I do!

Yeah, tone it down there son.
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the idea of 'looking into deeper meanings' as if literature is some kind of encrypted chinese cookie, is pleb as fuck.

>Is it justifiable to read a story with an obvious deeper meaning just for the plot?

justifiable, sure.

>Or am I just an elitist prick?

you're just a prick, don't get any ideas.

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What books can you recommend me on how the mind works, basically what books are about social interaction and how to trick and manipulate people?

I don't feel empathy towards other people emotions, but I would still enjoy to be the soul of th party.
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>>8211801
Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis by Sigmund Freud
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Thinking Fast and Slow. One of the best books of my entire life. I always recommend it to my friends and I always end up talking about this book. The autor is jewish from Israel but even if you spend all day in /pol/ you will just love him after the first pages.
Also this book was much more enjoyable than 90% of the fiction bullshit this board enjoys, and lets not even talk about which one has the possibility to improve more your life.


>inb4 popsci

I don't care, still easily in my top 5.
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>>8211801
Those are some "hard" girls.

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Can anyone help me with a question on Leibniz?

I don't really understand the reference to Theodicy on paragraphs 67 - 69 from Monadology.

I have searched several editions and the reference usually appears as something along the lines of (T. preface 40; 44) or yet
(Theod. Pref. [E. 475 b; 477 b; G. vi. 40, 44].), even though the preface only appears to have 37 unnumbered paragraphs.

I imagine it's not a reference to the "Preliminary Dissertation On The Conformity Of Faith With Reason", considering that, when it is the case, the reference is more explicit - as in paragraph 26 ((T. Preliminary dissertation § 65)).

I would be extremely glad if anyone could help me.
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looking into it OP, stand by
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What edition of Monadology are you reading?
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>>8211796
my OUP copy just says "(pref.)" at the end of paragraph 69.

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Why the fuck did you make me read this?
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>>8211790
lmao that fucking cover
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Because I'm your senior English teacher. Don't forget the paper for tomorrow.
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I didn't make you do shit you stupid little faggot.

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Today I'm packing my bags because I'm going to Greece, alone, on a voyage of wonderment and intense discovery. It is the start of something new for me, so I'm pretty stoked. I've maxxed out my kindle with great Greek literature to read on the plane, so that's good to go. Lately I've been reading Plato and really, really getting into it, his cave story made me think on a whole other level so I've been thinking, where is the cave actually located? There's literally no mention in the brochure and I'd love to see it while I'm there! Thanks anon
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>>8211722
Tfw I wish I was intellectual enough to actually enjoy traveling. But after a while I always end up in some weird limbo of ambivalence.

And now I wonder: can I even afford to travel? I rather hike from now on. Maybe with a gf I could share that experience better, but I cannot derive pleasure from it.
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>>8211722
I wish I could travel like Kerouac in "The Dharma Bums", but I have no friends who would like to do that.
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>>8211722
you're already in the cave, because there is no chance of enlightenment for a pleb like you anon

t. future philosopher king patrician

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Could someone please explain to me what my English teacher means by this:

"The writer must establish a clearly defined set of standards/criteria/expectations to measure the quality or effectiveness of that topic."

This one point is preventing me from finishing an otherwise simple assignment. To clarify, my topic is anti-consumerism.

I know this is 4chan and we're all a bunch of assholes, but I'm desperate. No one has been able to help me. My paper is due in two hours.

>inb4 underage
I'm in college

>You procrastinated. It's your own fault.
I know that. Still, I would greatly appreciate your help.

I apologize if I am on the wrong board. I wasn't sure where else to go.
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the sentence makes no sense. the effectivenes of the topic to do what?
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>>8211716
That's what I'm saying. I'm glad I'm not alone. I thought I was going crazy.
I don't understand what she wants me to do.
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>>8211706
Basically what it's saying is that the writer needs to establish a set of norms for the poem -- that is, a baseline -- that can then be used as commentary on a particular topic by looking at how the representation of the topic conforms to or differs from that established norm.

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I'm halfway through Moby-Dick and holy shit is it good
>A vast pulpy mass, furlongs in length and breadth, of a glancing cream-colour, lay floating on the water, innumerable long arms radiating from its centre, and curling and twisting like a nest of anacondas, as if blindly to clutch at any hapless object within reach. No perceptible face or front did it have; no conceivable token of either sensation or instinct; but undulated there on the billows, and unearthly, formless, chance-like apparition of life.

This is just par for the course on this book.
How did Melville do it?
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>>8211604
Lots of interesting life experiences, natural talent and help from Hawthorne
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>>8211604
yeah I'll never be as talented as melville anyways so why bother
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By reading lots of Shakespeare and Milton, duh

Moby Dick is definitely top ten

The term "matter of Britain" was coined by the medieval poet from Arras called Jean Bodel along with the two other "matters" everyone should know:
Ne sont que III matières à nul homme atandant,
De FRANCE et de BRETAIGNE, et de ROME la grant.

Since Jean Bodel got cursed with leprosy, he clearly wasn't all that right. There is just one that MATTERS of the three and we shall vote on which it is right now:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10597977
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