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I get it /lit/. The world is mostly filled with shallow stupid children of all ages races and backgrounds. Almost nobody has even the slightest idea what they're talking about, or even a frame of reference for how it would sound if they did have any idea what they were talking about. I don't claim to have answers to life's questions, but I have a broadened enough perspective on most topics to see how little most people have to say that's at all worth listening to. The only time I ever even feel like i'm speaking to peers is when I'm talking to people at least twice my age. Not because they're informed enough for my liking, but because they've had their perceptions challenged thoroughly enough and repeatedly enough for long enough to gain that certain weariness that makes someone keep the talking out of their ass to a minimum. I've felt this way for years. I only have one friend and i've only had that one friend for years. She shows me every day that selflessness is possible. The only motivating force I have in life is that when I finish college I can make a good enough living for her to not have to work if she doesn't want to, and without her, I would have nothing and nobody. I was fine with this for the longest time, but then I started college and started trying to make friends with all these fucking retarded kids. One after another I lose patience with them for being dumb delusional narcissists or they lose patience with me for being much more willing than them to think critically and speak with installments longer than 140 characters, and lately i'm reaching my limit.
I'm not putting it on anyone to make me feel better or give me a reason to live. You work hard for yours and i've got mine. I just come to empathise and be empathized with by people who've also read and studied their way into this nihilistic trap. You're not alone /lit/.
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>>8214361
Just to clarify, my one friend is not pic related.
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>>8214361
danger and play is what women are and want [they want play = safe danger] and men want women, but only because women are the ultimate danger and play thing. This is nice, but you can reach a life beyond this.
once you understand that men are not meant to be as good hedonist as women, you first acknowledge the superiority of women at the hedonistic life (which is just called life by men and women) and you see the misery of hedonism, either the direct hedonism of the woman, or the nihilistic fantasy of the delayed hedonism [hedonism of the will] of the man [the one that men advocate for, the one about engaging yourself into challenges after challenges, seeking merit, pursuing your passions, in one word still clinging to entertainment (typically to attract women sooner or later) to better turn away from their impotency at the hedonistic life..] created by men once they get beat by women.
Once you see the game as well as the noneffective masculine life, you lose faith in hedonism. At this point, you either see the solution or not {Nietzsche did not see it, or rather he did not claim explicitly that he saw it]: you strive to do the exact opposite of hedonism (either the masculine one or the feminine one): first you stop being nihilistic, in accepting what you are (it is crucial to be sincere about the starting point], meaning a worm, and in stopping to analyze the past to get a better future (= the strategy of men, which remains inside hedonism (even though they claim that it is not, and in practice is is clearly not), but even more nihilistic than the feminine hedonism, once they are beaten by women] and in stopping to take what you desire, feel and think seriously [=the hedonism of the woman, and the fueling of this hedonism by men].
Women are wrong for having faith in what they desire, in thinking that this is relevant to ones life
they are a bit wrong to let men spend their life trying to serve women.
Men are wrong to try to play with women, which is just serving women
men are wrong, after being defeated, to be resentful towards women
men are wrong to think, after being defeated, that the solution is to be even more nihilistic than women in dwelling in hedonism of the will
The lack of efficacy of the masculine life leads to a narcissism (contrary to men), but without egotism (contrary to women), a more equanimous and benevolent stance towards what is desired, felt and thought. At this point, you stop looking at hedonism of the body [=the feminine hedonism], turn towards hedonism of the soul [what religious call it], spirit, consciousness [what buddhists call it] [=the hedonism of the mild ascetic, the hedonism that most men fail to see and the one that women love to think that they embody (women love to think that they are not as egotistic as they are, that they embody a humanist stance)] and then you understand that even this is doomed to be disappointing, so you refuse it until you stop caring about this one too.
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>>8214372
kay
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What are some good books about modern America?
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the constitution
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The Dubliners
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Pastoralia by George Saunders.
I like reading but the problem is it takes me so fucking long to finish anything. I'm slowly getting quicker the more I read but Jesus it's taking forever. Any tips on getting quicker faster?
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Try reading in the morning when there are fewer distractions in your mind. That helps me focus, and less distraction = faster, smoother reading. If you can't read in the morning for whatever reason, you could also try meditating for a bit beforehand.
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>>8214190
Slow is Smooth. Smooth is Fast.
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>>8214209
>in the morning when there are fewer distractions in your mind
>tfw wake up and minds already raging at >her
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What does /lit/ think of Stephen King/Richard's The Long Walk
>inb4 baby's first stephen king
>actually it was but w/e
I was talking about it with a friend last night and I ended up re-reading the whole thing at work today. I found it much more concise and to the point than many of his other works while still touching on the same themes. There are some very fleshed out characters who manage to create the macabre atmosphere and do the world building with dialogue and soliloquy alone.
I love world building and this novel does it in a very subtle way. When I went online to see what other people had deduced I found very little.The world in the novel seems to diverge from ours just before or during the course of WWII. This seemed pretty obvious to everyone who read the novel. However there are some subtle indicators that America lost the war, or there was a regime change shifting the government to a pro-German or at least national socialism position.
I'm making some notes I might dump on goodreads or the king wikia, but if anyone is interested or wants to contribute
>thread related
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>>inb4 baby's first stephen king
What?
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I feel like there is at least one big hint as to the nature of America and how things changed in every chapter but this one struck me as kind of a bombshell:"A man with an electric bullhorn who alternately praised Garraty and advertised his own candidacy to represent the second district; a woman with a big crow in a small cage which she hugged jealously to her giant bosom; a human pyramid made out of college boys in University of New Hampshire sweatshirts; a hollowcheeked man with no teeth in an Uncle Sam suit wearing a sign which said: WE GAVE AWAY THE PANAMA CANAL TO THE COMMUNIST NIGGERS."
So far from the first n-bomb I've read in a King novel, it might be dismissed as just common bigotry, I think it's actually indicating the US invasion of Grenada never happened or failed, and clearly indicates a greater spread of communism in Central America and the Caribbean.
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>>8214055
I hadn't read it previously since I was in grade school.
Hi /lit/,
I've been going to a lacanian analyst for about 6 years now. I understand /lit/ has a strong resistance against Lacan and psychanalysis as a whole, as I also had prior to the analysis, mainly out of ignorance in face of how complicated it can get. I've read things on Lacan and Freud but I'm not an expert or a psychologist . Still, I think I can perhaps help if any of you have any doubts about general notions of psychanalysis, specially when it comes to the clinic.
Ask me anything.
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>>8213994
What was the reason you started going?
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What were your problems going in?
Did they (begin to) resolve? If so, how did this progress (from your phenomenological perspective)
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>>8213994
>mainly out of ignorance in face of how complicated it can get
Says a lot about a field, that this is the only defense ever brought up against it being called bullshit
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>27 volumes
The absolute madman
Is it at least any good?
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The third volume is coming out soon. It's interesting but definitely low-quality Danielewski writing. I'd say it's corny for /lit/ standards but overall pretty quick reading. My favorite thing about it is the online community. It's cool to see people working together to translate all the different languages and speculate about what stuff means. It's available as an ebook if that sways you at all.
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>>8215287
Actually it came out already.
I'm still on #2.
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https://www.pynchon.net/articles/10.7766/orbit.v1.1.33/
I just found out from an article that the first American edition of Pynchon's V. was later corrected by Pynchon in time for the British edition and subsequent editions, but many american reprints continued to use the uncorrected version by simple negligence. Does anyone have a list of editions and publishers that have the corrected final version? This would come pretty handy since I'm considering buying a physical copy of this one after having read it in digital format a few years ago.
Also book covers of the corrected version would be the best.
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Pynchons my fav writer for sure because my fav thing in books is goofs, gags, jokes and rambunctious behavior, and his books are full to the brim of it. Every novel is like one of those novelty snake cans, you open the book & POP you get a face fulla snakes and you fall back cackling. The mad mind, the crack genius, to do it! and then you think hmmm whats he gonna do next, this trickster, and you pick the book back up and BZZZZZZZZZZ you get a shock and Hahahahahah you've been pranked again by the old pynchmeister, that card. "Did that Pynch?" he says, laughing yukyukyukyuk. Watch him as he shoves a pair of plastic buck teeth right up into his mouth and displays em for you- left, right, center- "you like dese? Do i look handsome???" Pulls out a mirror. "Ah!" Hand to naughty mouth. And you're on your ass again laughing as he snaps his suspenders, exits stage right, and appears again hauling a huge golden gong.
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>>8214818
thanks for the bump, asshole.
I know that was pasta, but I have to say I really enjoy Pynchon's prose. The story, tricks, puns and jokes are great but I wouldn't trudge through hours of boring prose to find those gems. I actually enjoy every line of his prose. It may be a little bit dense (not to much) but it's so rich and colorful
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anyway, back to topic:
corrected vs. uncorrected editions of V.? Anyone?
How does /lit/ feel about warhammer 40k novels? I've never read one but I'd like to start, what are some of the better entries?
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>>8213800
Shiterature.
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Eisenhorn,Gaunts Ghost
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they are absolute shit. A boring slog through repetitive dialogue and endlessly dreary fight scenes in which no one does anything even remotely out of the ordinary.
Some of the IG and other cannon works are "inspired" (plagerized) by classical works, but you are probably much better off just reading those, as they only constitute a brief reference or short story in and of themselves, while the rest is homo-erotic drudgery.
>1 year into /lit/
>start talking in a more refined vernacular
>father and sister think I'm crazy
>bring up references to the greeks every time we talk
>give them advice in the form of greek myths
>scold them when I see they are not properly following the categorical imperative
>reject watching tv with them, I'm over that already
>avoid them when they get into vulgar activities, like going to a football match
>start re-decorating the house to make it geometrically and theologically appropriate for my refined manners
>bookshelves here and there
>art everywhere
>house now looks comfy as fuck
>dinner with father
>tell them I refuse to eat his plebeian food
>get kicked out of the house
>mfw I got kicked out and they get to enjoy the comfy place I designed
This is your fault /lit/
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>>8213759
kek
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>refined
>posting in English
wew
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If Hunter S. Thompson was alive today, who would he support in the presidential race? Would the freak party endorse Trump?
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He loved guns and it didn't ever seem like he had a bleeding heart for illegals or minorities in general, I don't think it would be too much of an outlandish assumption.
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He might run against Trump on the platform he'd change the USA's name to Mexico just to get Trump to leave.
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>>8213678
What? Dr. Gonzo exists
HST also hated the U.S. government. He was basically an anarchist bohemian.
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Well can you, /lit/?
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/27/480639265/human-or-machine-can-you-tell-who-wrote-these-poems
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The more 'impressionistic' the poem the more likely it was written by a machine. Or an inorganic machine, rather. The poems written by humans all had a conceptual thread that ran the entire length and looped back around to tie it all together, while the two written by computers were disjointed and failed to hold together. The sudden breaking off of a thought over an enjambed line is the biggest give away.
I missed on two because I was expecting tricksiness. It's actually much easier if you're just searching for honesty.
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>>8213584
I didn't even read them, and still guessed 4 out of 6 right going only off what the previous two answers were.
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>>8213584
It has began!
Also I would like to worship the poetry of our new overloads, let Shakesbot and RoboHomer take it, lord knows we fucked it up.
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the fuck you say about iceberg theory, you little bitch?
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The fact that critical interpretations of your stories often not only differ wildly but are outright contradictory should tell you that the theory, or at least your application, is complete bullshit.
Now put the gun down, Ernie, we both know the only person you'll ever use it on is yourself.
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>>8214773
>implying criticism isn't pure bunko
heh
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>>8214773
Your first part sounds like praise.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
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A guy writing for a newspaper of my country is saying that political wounds bleeding at the moment in Europe is strongly tied to the refutation and disgust the urban people have developed for the countriside people. You may call it a large scale elitism.
So as only city people ever seem to produce importabt works, even if they only make half of the country populations, can there be no /lit/ from that demogeaphic?
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a lot of /lit/ is produced in inbred country, but it wouldn't be surprising if city people produced more literature, wealth and education predispose you to it.
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>>8213365
That's a rather cavalier hypothesis your newspaper guy is holding there.
Anyway, there is a country literature, as much as there is a proletarian one. It just hasn't the same channels of publicity than more legitimated (I didn't say "legitimate") ones. Sadly, I couldn't help and quote any authors, probably for this very reason...
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Literature has definitely shifted dramatically towards the metropolitan in the past two centuries or so, I can think of a few well-recieved authors who live in and/or write about "the countryside" of the past few decades
>Alice Munro
>Cormac McCarthy
>David Foster Wallace
>Toni Morrison
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Does /lit/ enjoy any works by women of color? Looking for a new perspective, but don't want to waste my time with a heavy handed story
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Persepolis was ok.
I have And Their Eyes Were Watching God in my backlog.
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>>8213347
I really did enjoy Persepolis. That was a cool eye-opener without beating me over the head with white guilt.
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when you say "looking for a new perspective" what does that mean
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Alright /lit/ here's how we're doing this
Favorite song:
Favorite poem:
Favorite album:
Favorite book:
Favorite artist/composer:
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Favorite song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGHevQoWsGA
Favorite poem: For the Marriage of Faustus and Helen, Hart Crane
Favorite album: Permanent Revolution, Catch-22
Favorite book: The Sorrows of Young Werther, Goethe
Favorite artist/composer: Martin Luther
Favorite author: Melville
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Favorite song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWSPZyM0D5c
Favorite poem: XL. Into my heart on air that kills (Housman)
Favorite album: Victorialand (Cocteau Twins)
Favorite book: Butcher's Crossing (Williams)
Favorite artist/composer: Tomas Luis de Victoria
Favorite author: Evelyn Waugh
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Favorite song: In the hall of the crimson king - King Crimson
Favorite poem: Leaves of Grass
Favorite album: In the Aeroplane over the sea
Favorite book: Infinite Jest
Favorite artist/composer: Radiohead
Favorite author: James Joyce
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