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is he celibate
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>>8471224
>perfect eyes and eyebrows
>6'2"
>9x7 inch dong
>fucked his friend's wife who then wrote a playboy article bragging about how Pynchon fucked his wife

You tell me if he's celibate
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>>8471230
He also stole a few of his college roommates' girlfriends.
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Maybe, maybe not.

He does happen to have a grandchild (or child?) however.

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What books has /lit/ bought lately? Everything here was bought in the last few weeks except for Dune, both copies of The Hobbit and that Biology textbook. How'd I do? And is Spring Snow a good place to start with Mishima?
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>>8471192
DUDE
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A greek drama collection
Oedipus
5 dramas from Shakespeare(fucking ugly cover,no other edition was avalible)
Confucianist tales
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Purchases from the last four weeks

Star Wars - Tales Of The Bounty Hunters
The Naked Sun by Isaac Asimov
The Kon-Tiki Expedition by Thor Heyerdahl
The Silent World by Jacques-Yves Cousteau
Words by Jean-Paul Sartre
Stranger In A Strange Land - Robert Heinlein
Virtual Light by William Gibson
Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
The Fountains Of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke
Bicycle Diaries by David Byrne

It's my 19th birthday today my dad handed me a wrapped book and when I opened it he said "you still read harry potter right?"
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Hey, at least he's partially interested in what your hobbies are, and he's also interested enough to give you a present!
Think of it as your personal 'Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge'.
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>>8471142
damn did you tell him harry potters for girls and your not a faggot who reads books about a male witch lmao
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>>8471148
Yeah that's it he cares enough to get me a gift I had a small chuckle to myself when I opened it.

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I've read about 80 books, some of which are The Illiad, Bely's Petersburg, Dostoyevsky's Demons, Hesse's The Glass Bead Game.

Do I have any valid predispositions to understand/enjoy the whole Pynchon/Joyce/DFW/Gaddis/any-tough-postmodern-writer basket?
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>>8471140
You're never ready, that's why it's so fulfilling.
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>>8471140
if you have to ask you're not ready
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>>8471154
>>8471154

This is true.

There's no way anybody reads and retains all the literature you'd need to understand Ulysses/G.R. in full. Part of the fun is being able to have these abstract concepts subtly connected by the book you're reading.

Infinite Jest you don't really need a ton of reading behind you, but G.R. and Ulysses are intentionally jam-packed with super specific references to real-history, mythology, the occult, esoterica etc I'm reading Ulysses now and even with annotations (Gifford's are really good) it can be hard to follow. But you eventually get a feel for the style and sort of read the way the author intended. I especially felt that way with Gravity's Rainbow.

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So I know this isn't the "end-all" Western Canon list, and that Bloom himself would later go on to disavow it, but how does the list stand for you personally? What books/authors do you feel are really missing? Ones you feel just don't belong there?

the complete list:
http://www.interleaves.org/~rteeter/grtbloom.html
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>>8471100

No.
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He never disavowed it: what are you talking about?
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>>8471100
>only three works in Sanskrit
>Egyptian book of the dead

Something is wrong with that nigger

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>book has sex scene
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>character is the world's biggest loser
>has a gf
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>>8471102
Thing is, I started reading this book ages ago, - I forget the title, about a man who got reincarnated deformed for being a dick in a previous life, and he gets sexually molested as a kid and beaten savagely as an adult man by teenage girl gangs, and works a shitty private eye job.

And I never got to the end because it just wasn't interesting to read.
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>>8471411
Ah, I think it was a James Herbert book now I google for it.

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continental philosophy, however is much more beautiful and poetic with its use of language...

but then when you come to look at it, you realize its pretty much MUH FEELS...and then you go look at analytical philosophy and say, well this shit seems robotic

this shit seems like for pseudo wannabe mathematics that couldn't make it in that field...but then you start to realize..this shit, makes more sense.... and then you start to realize..fuck it, it makes a shit ton more sense

then you start to realize how shit continental philosophy is, and then all the hipster wanna be literature majors that masturbate over Derrida and Foucault and all those French losers get mad "ANALYTICAL PHILOSOPHY ISN'T
PHILOSOPHY, ITS MATHEMATICS BLAH BLAH BLAH,LOGIC IS A WHITE MALE HEGEMONIC FIELD BLAH BLAH BLAH"

while the analytics sip their tea and respond like " YOU MAD" .....and then act all superior in their anglo self.

plus the writing, is just much clearer
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>>8471081
Most analytic philosophers were and are logicians and mathematicians as well, so the popular conception that it's "just for wannabes who couldn't do math" is patently false. More of a projection from people who are actually bad at math and can't handle reading something with logical notation in it. Most people take an interest in philosophy because they hear about Nietzsche and nihilism and all that and believe philosophy is just about "how to live your life". There's also the widespread belief that positivism is still an active movement within the tradition, when in fact analytic metaphysics has been thriving for 40 years now.

It's just a sad state of affairs. Analytic philosophy is generally more interesting because they deal with the fascinating problems that more wide-ranging philosophers from the continental tradition pass over because of their fixation on the human condition. There are definitely interesting continental philosophers and both have their merits. This board should try to engage more with the analytics instead of the continental predominance we have now
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>>8471275
Lacan applies knot theory to his work.
Badoui or whoever applies set theory
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>>8471081
Language and philosophy are self refuting anyway.
They can't give you any definite answers.

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Has anyone read this?

What translation do I pick?
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Why?

Unless you are doing religious studies or something, I will not recommend this. There is so much context you wil need to take into account, and you would need an unbiased Imam to help you understand.

Rather read a good quran commentary if you have to.

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the meaning of the glorious koran: marmaduke pickthall
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>>8471461
Reading Afrikaans as a Dutch man cracks me up every time.

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I have way too many stacks now but here's my latest one
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Anyone have the Bible published by Oxford World's Classics? I'd like to see how the dimensions look compared to other books.
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>>8471024
Most of these are new, but here's the stack beside my couch.

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Where is the essential chart on books that teach you how to read books?
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>>8470794
he did a few of these books, right?
are they helpful at all?
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what could i possibly learn from this
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>>8470963
How to read and why. Obviously, you need it.

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I have some basic critiques of Marx and Nietzsche. I'm saying either of these thinkers belongs in the dumpsters, but are some glaring issues.

First, with Marx. His underlying assumption is that history has patterns--okay, that's a reasonable assumption. However the problem is this leads him to an assumption of historical determinism. If there is one incontrovertible axiom, one inevitability, it's randomness. History is, in many ways, a series of unpredicted events. Marx sees the past and assumes it was always inevitable, but that's not the case. A leads to B is only how things appear to function. It might work with smaller things, but the broader you apply, the more probability is skewed: A leads to B becomes A could lead to B, C, D, E, F and so on, the problem is, the less controls on the environment, the less we can have access to the probability. A casino is an extremely controlled environment, so they can shift out, for instance, dice on a particular cycle, to restore the shape for in order to keep maximum knowledge of the probability. Dealing with culture and society is much, much harder, you can barely even grasp probability, let alone setting it down as definite, let alone pinning down a sure outcome. To me, this is Marx's greatest flaw, his dialectical train of thought presumes you can just predict the future with surety based on the past.

Now, addressing Nietzsche: Nietzsche does not actually make an argument through either inductive or deductive reasoning, or even "dialectic", he just uses rhetoric. Some will mentions he was a competent philologist, but Nietzsche, at least in his philosophical writings, does not employ any rigorous philological method. This is not innately bad, since Nietzsche's intent was to write a philosophical work of music, so to speak, as opposed to an argument. His work is intended purely as an artistic exercise. But it becomes a problem when his readers use him as an authority for anything, when he is cited as an authority for how society,religion, morality, culture, psychology, or history works, then it is a problem. Because Nietzsche's work does not offer anything in the way of an academic understanding of this. It's like citing Shakespeare's historical plays in discussions about Caesar or Henry V.

Anyway, that's all.
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If you believe historical materialism is deterministic and "presumes to predict the future" you haven't understood it.
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>>8470793
That's what I gathered from The German Ideology. He's purely descriptive of the communist future, and places it matter-of-factually alongside the other stages.
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>>8470777
>It's like citing Shakespeare's historical plays in discussions about Caesar or Henry V

I could see one getting away with this, as long as they don't use his historical plays as evidence, moreso to compare reality with fiction.

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I don't know too much of writing, but I lurk here from time to time.
http://pastebin.com/piSZ8WiJ
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>>8470772
I'll critique it in a bit. I'm busy right now.
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>>8470790
Thank you.
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>>8470790
>>8470822
I'm not going to lie anon, it's pretty bad. It reads like something i'd find on /r/writingprompts.

Everything else aside, the punctuation is pretty juvenile.

> She’s not coming. None of my purple passages or words could possibly woo her. My email is a barren wasteland (Maybe she forgot to send it? Or could it be Him already?

She's not coming: none of my purple passages or words could possibly woo her; my email is a barren wasteland--Maybe she forgot to send it?--, or could it be Him already?

Would be an example of higher tier punctuation; though, punctuation is entirely subjected to prose.

>Scenarios like this are all too familiar, God has punished me before like this. Spiking down my serve, effortlessly propelling it back onto my side of the court saying

Scenarios like this are all too familiar: God has punished me like this before: spiking down my serve, and, effortlessly, propelling it back into my court, saying

also notice how I removed "my side of the court," this is redundant, and already implied with just the word court and the preceding metaphor.

>“Think about all you’ve done. You blew it again! Not picking up on the nuances I had floated to you by each and every girl you have come in contact with. Clearly you don’t understand His purpose!”

"Think about all you've done--you blew it, again!--, not picking up on the nuances I had floated to you with each girl that you've come into contact with; clearly you don't understand His purpose!"

Each and every is a cliche, and also bad writing, so I removed it.

This is just to give you a general idea. And also my opinion, there's no "best" when it comes to punctuation.

I'm glad to see more aspiring writers here, who are not afraid to share their work. Keep practicing, friend.

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seems like he is the only one in the lit world right now trying something new
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>>8470769
what is an example of his innovation, and who is he?
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>>8470769
Who?
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>>8470787
MZD

Mark Z Danielewski

What is /lit/ reading and drinking on this fine summer night?

I just finished Simon Blackburn's Think, and my fifth gin and tonic.
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>>8470762
At Swim Two Birds and mezcal
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jesus christ the fuck up no one thinks youre smart you goddamn pseudo intellectual 20 somethiing WHO DOESNT EVN READ BLOOKS and just reads to look smart and cultured JESUS CHRIST i bet youre the type to bitch on this fuCKOING WEIBSTIE ABOUT PEOPLE READING TRANSLATION like jsues SHUT UP NO ONE CARES
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>>8470774
why you so mad dude? here's a picture of a puppy to make you happier

What are good books on the aftermath of WWII?
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gravitys rainbow
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>>8470745
slaughter house five :^3
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Der Alpdruck, by Hans Fallada.

It's great.

I don't know the English title.

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