Stirner's egoism? Nietzsche's self-overcoming?
Did you ever test your edgy theories in the real world? This stuff is BAD advice.
>>9257432
But all the psychopaths out there encourage plebs to DO IT, just like vultures to bunny who wants to cross the heavy trafficked road.
IMO, speaking as an adult in the "real world" Greeks had it at least 90% right with stoicism and epicureanism: mental health, maturity, pragmatism, making the best of your time in this world etc. Put an alibi metaphysics on it for the mentally unstable, call it providence, you're good to go.
Sadly then we got unironic monotheism resulting ultimately in such saviors...
What's wrong with Stirner's egoism?
That's how most people live their lives already, many are just spooked about it
Am I the only one who doesn't understand Dostoevsky? I've read Crime + Punishment and Notes from Underground. All I got from them is that he hate rationalism/utilitarianism/etc. Are his novels ambiguous as fuck or am I just retarded? I read an analysis of Notes from Underground and it turns out that it's an attack on some obscure Russian novel called "What Is To Be Done". How was I supposed to know that???? I understood that he was warning us against some silly idealistic ideas that were present in Russia at the time, the novel was clear about that.
Anyway how do I properly read this sort of stuff? People can write dozens of paragraphs about these books, but my understanding is so vague that I can barely say anything about them. I'm gonna read "The Idiot" next, I hope I understand that book properly.
Most of the arguments around Notes are the degree to which Dostoyevsky himself agreed with the arguments of the Underground Man. You should re-read the first half of it slowly, to make sure that you fully understand what the Underground Man is trying to say.
To be short, I don't really get him either. Tolstoy seems much better to me.
I still have The Brothers Karamazov to read, so maybe that will knock me over, but everything I've read so far (House of the Dead, Crime and Punishment, The Idiot) has been enjoyable but not outstanding.
To expand on that a little, I get the impression Dostoevsky wasn't merely a great psychologist but was a bit of a lunatic himself.
There are good companions to Plato?
I need one because I’m interested in some of his ideas but almost always his prose bore me.
socrates
Hegel's lectures on the history of philosophy.
>>9257421
I'd keep an eye on this.
Anyway... I will just read Guithre.
Is it surprising that prisons resemble factories, schools, barracks, hospitals, which all resemble prisons?’
Hospitals resemble more miniature cities tbqh
>>9257382
>>9257382
hospitals are designed to always watch the patient. prisons are designed to always watch the prisoner.
this is the essence of foucault's theory of 'discipline' (power). that by being watched, we are subconsciously being disciplined, and disciplining ourselves, to what the person watching us considers normal.
>not surprising at all don't follow that thought there's nothing to be gained from doing so i promise
Is there an essential Scandinavian literature chart like this one?
>>9257351
>inb4 Quran
I guess not, maybe we should make one in this thread
Also, what is that book "Multatuli"? In finnish multatuli would mean "Earthfire" or "Moldfire"
>>9257351
sticky wiki has pages for norway and denmark
>>9257379
The book is actually called Max Havelaar. Multatuli is the author. It's a satire/critique on Dutch colonialism. Earthfire sounds way cooler though.
where do I start?
Same here. I want to start reading Republic soon, what should I read in advance or can I just delve into it?
t. Philosophy brainlet
>>9257338
I'm a novice reader of anything worthwhile, but I started with the Republic and it's very easy to get into.
Plato doesn't seem to refer to many obscure things you need to have prior knowledge of to follow him.
If anything, I would suggest opening up a wikipedia page of ancient Athens, and if your eally wish some works of Homer (though this isn't needed to follow or comprehend his way of thinking).
>>9257317
Euthyphro > Apology > Crito > Phaedo > Meno > Republic > Symposium...
something like that
When will Joseph Mcelroy get the recognitions he's deserves?
>>9257242
when he stops being an autist and lets dzanc republish his books
when hes made all the corrections
>>9257242
>McElroy
>Recognized
His reading public is essentially the tremendously small amount of people with >140 IQs who like contemporary literature.
I fucking doubt it.
>Tfw abstain from sex and marriage
>Tfw adhere to radical materialism, no time for transcendent entities
>Tfw disprove the possibility of the soul's survival after death
>Tfw form communes with your buddies
Was Epicurus the original fedora tipping man-going-his-own-way?
Heraclitus > Epicuckus
>>9257219
Kek
>>9257219
Heraclitus is both greater and less than Epicetus
everywhere I go I see dozens of books from the following authors. I lump them together as shallow pop bullshit that's just for lonely housewives, but I admit I'm completely ignorant and would be happy to try one if you think they're decent. some common names I see:
> John Irving
> Jodi Picoult
> John Grisham
> James Patterson
> Neil Gaiman
> Dean Koontz
> Anne Rice
> Danielle Steele
> Zadie Smith
any input? I literally know nothing about any of them so even if one seems out of place let me know
>>9257190
Zadie Smith is out of place, sort of.
White Teeth, her first novel, was pretty good. I think she's kind of slid in into mediocrity since though.
>>9257200
yeah, White Teeth, American Gods, and A Prayer for Owen Meany are the only specific novels I could name from them. The rest just seem to have dozens of books they regurgitate every year
>>9257190
John Irving too.
He has a bunch of poor/pop novels but The World According to Garp is phenomenal. Read it. It's all about SJW run amok.
All the others on there are uniformly poor. Interview with the Vampire isn't the worst thing ever written but I'd skip it unless you are a grill. Koontz is probably the worst pop author currently writing.
>2000 years ago
>humanity oppressed by strongman rulers
>DUDE WHAT IF WE KEPT THE SAME SYSTEM BUT TRAINED KINGS TO BE REALLY SMART AND STUFF LMAO
Why was this hack so influential?
>humanity oppressed
Nice spooks, idiot.
He gave out plans to create a society in which the elites would not only be possible, but strongly needed by the communities.
>Current year
>humanity oppressed by the weak, sick and slavish
>he read Niechtze without an encyclepediac knowledge of Napoleon
wasting all that time understanding NOTHING
>thinking you need an "encyclepediac" knowledge of Napoleon to understand "just bee yourself"
dumb poster of frogs
>>9257099
>encyclepediac
so this is what they call pooh-posting, hmm?
Every day I think about that embarrassing thing I said at the Philosophy Society meeting and every day, I think of death.
in high school i blurted out "ulysses by james joyce" in the middle of class. teacher and everybody was like "what?" and i said "oh did i say that out loud, sorry, i was just thinking about a book ive read."
>>9257090
What did you say anon?
>>9257098
hahaha jesus, goddamn dude that's pretty horrific.
The bad news is everyone has embarrassing and cringe moments; the good news is that no one thinks of anyone's but their own! Try to think of five embarrassing moments you've witnessed of someone else: it is tremendously difficult to do so 'on-the-spot.'
Is Don Quixote worth reading in its entirety? I got through 250 pages and its the same process over and over:
DQ: Look at that thing
Sancho: That thing is not what you think it is
DQ: Shut up Sancho, we must attack the thing.
*Chaos ensues*
DQ: Look at that other thing.
Sancho: *rolls eyes.* That thing is not what you think it is.
And on and on and on...
It deepens in the second part.
>>9257059
I don't know why people were acting like this novel is amazing and are completely in love with the characters, sure it's fun and theres lots to like about it but the ending feels extremely abrupt and OP has a point about there not being much variation for a 1000 page novel.
I haven't read it, but I agree, it sounds bad, not canonical, and I've just crossed it off my (huge) To Read List.
What was the "Start with the Greeks" of Ancient Greece?
Who were they influenced by?
Probably moby-dick, shakespeare, etc.
start with the sumerians
All of Greek thought was built on the crazy voice in Socrates head that he thought was a divine sign
/tv/ fag, can I get some recs on stuff to read? Is there anything good that is remotely similar to directors like Antonioni, Fellini. or Lynch? Or is /lit/ just a different ball game? pic related
>>9257013
You might like Vonnegut.
>>9257013
Check out Haruki Murakami's novels.
>>9257018
always had Vonnegut pinned down as someone I never thought I would enjoy, not entirely sure why. Any specific reason I should read his stuff?