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When did you realize he surpassed Nietzsche?

Where Nietzsche renounced, Foucault built.

Where Nietzsche gave heady advice, Foucault scrutinized.

Where Nietzsche wrote personally, Foucault wrote for all.
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>Nietzsche died of syphilis
>Foucault died of AIDS

whoa, the student took after the master
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>When did you realize he surpassed Nietzsche?
When Heidegger had done it
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>>9258294
Heidegger's reading of Nietzsche is knowingly limited to serve his own purposes.

Heidegger is the real deal though.

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I feel I'm not as ironic as I can be.
How do I become more ironic. What should I read.
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>>9258189
DFW's IJ
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>>9258201
Anything a little more bite-sized?
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>>9258189
i read this as 'you're disgusting'

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2000 years ago all you had to do was voice a few thoughts on life, society and science you could be considered a polymath.

Today if you wanted to write about even a single topic, you'd first need to familiarize yourself with the entire history of the subject, and devote a life to specializing your skills in an even smaller area of the topic before making a contribution to human knowledge.

So you're left with two options: become a jack of all trades learning about different fields but never inventing or discovering anything, or do nothing but specialize in a single narrow thing.

How bleak!
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You're complaining about having access to 2000 years of collected wisdom?
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Cry more, bitch.
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>to be considered a polymath

So it's just about prestige and recognition for you

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i finally bit the bullet and am actually reading nietzsche.
i find myself agreeing with him disturbingly often. should i just kms already?
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>>9258181

Nietzsche never wrote a false statement
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Question as you read, but why in the world would you feel a need to kill yourself. Time does this already.
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philosophy is fucking dumb god damnit you faggots all fell for this stupid fucking meme it means nothing it has nothing behind it but platitudes it is the dumbest fucking thing on the planet fuck youp

I already read picture related. What should I read next? Is there a book available about the Mayans?

Should I go with the Incas or Native American thought?
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>>9258175
i've read a couple of books about the mexica (aztecs) since i saw the awesome exhibition at the british museum a few years ago
but the best one i've read is the BM's own book, pic related. it's the right balance between pretty pictures and informed writing
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Bump, i am also interested on the Maya.
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>>9258359
I went to that exhibition also whilst visiting London. I bought the book and is fantastic.

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Is it even possible to read the Iliad without any background in Greek mythology and story?
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90% of Iliad is just some dipshits spearing each other in groin areas. It's the single most overrated piece of literature ever
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>>9258140
Yeah. Dive in.

>>9258143
The Odyssey is best
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Get the Fagles version, there's plenty of notes in the back telling you who all the characters and gods are and how to pronounce their names.

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What are some good, accurate books about the Minoan civilization?
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I'm pretty sure you are limited to archaeology books unless you want to read some crappy fiction piece
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>>9258138
why would you ask /lit/

all thats going to happen is that some chantard is going to use google, amazon and goodreads to search on yuor behalf in a desperate attempt to gain some kind of self-affirmation from another anonymous chantard....i.e you.


its pathetic
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Aside from the myths of Theseus and the Minotaur and all that, you have nonfiction

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Why is it so hard to start reading and keep reading? When I was a kid I read for hours a day.

Would quitting 4chan and porn make it easier?
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>>9258167
This is some fresh pasta
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>>9258167
wow this is accurate
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>>9258167
>maybe your parents should have taught you to read instead of playing N64 all fucking day

Yeah no shit boss. But blaming our parents won't do anything to change our situation. Your post is still pretty accurate and good tho

As for OP, you gotta get your attention span back. One way of doing this... is reading. The fast and instant way to start an attention span healing in this age is to destroy your smartphone. Alternatively, leave it in airplane mode and check it only once or twice a day.

And obviously don't substitute your smartphone use with more computer/vidya use.

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>read it twice
>feel able
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I loathe Terry Eagleton so much.
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>>9258443
Why?
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>>9258443
>>9258498

The only people who "loathe" Eagleton are post-modern cuckolds.

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Let's suppose you've made it big as a writer. Would you ever mention /lit/ as an influence? I think that confession has the power to end your literary career right there.
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not after what (((they))) did to sam hyde
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>implying I should declare my influences
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>>9258083
Never. If I did, I would replace DFW as the go-to /lit/ shitpost.

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How do I go about making the comfiest reading space available in bed?

I'm getting really tired of just piling pillows in my bed until I'm at an appropriate angle.
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>>9258067
BIG pillows a husband pillow and a beanbag.
if it's o. your bed, youre always gonna have to shuffle stuff around.
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You will fall asleep.
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>>9258067
naked girls

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Can someone tell me about the CCRU and its connection to Nick Land?
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Can you be more specific?
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CCRU was the University of Warwick collective to which Land belonged and in which he first attained (moderate) notoriety.
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>>9258298
I want to know everything.

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Chart thread: Post reading charts ITT
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>>9257915
That is one awful reading chart.
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>Hegel criticised what he termed ordinary thinking because it failed to recognise the “positive side of contradiction”. This conclusion obliged him to challenge the laws of thought, which he did in his discussion of the doctrine of essence in both his Science of Logic and the shorter Logic.

So Hegel abandoned classical logic because he thought doing so was useful, not because he thought doing so was correct? (I'm assuming the use he found was political?)

>He considered the law of identity (symbolically A = A) to be an “empty tautology” bereft of content and leading nowhere. His first argument against the law focused not just on any object or concept that might be subject to identity claims but on the concept of identity itself. He claimed that just as the law distinguished identity from difference, identity was therefore different from difference, which meant that to be different was part of the very nature of identity.

How does showing "to be different was part of the very nature of identity" show that A has not-A in its very nature? I don't see how it does. It just sounds like trivial wordplay.

>Aware that this might be dismissed as trivial wordplay, Hegel added a second argument that was more a “matter of general experience”. If the answers to questions like What is God? or What is a plant? were simply God and A plant, then the purity of the law of identity would be preserved but no new knowledge would be gained.

Why does it matter what no 'new knowledge' is gained? On what basis can it be said that there must or should be new knowledge to be gained from asking such a question? Does this just go back to political use?

>The questions begged for something more than “simple, abstract identity”.

Why? All they 'beg for' is a definition, in which A = A still holds.

TL;DR: (((Hegel)))?
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You can learn contextual information from a statement or argument even when that statement is not logically correct
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"Ricoeur examined a number of different forms of extended discourse, beginning with metaphorical discourse. Like the talk about symbols he had explored earlier a live metaphor is a kind of discourse that says more than one thing at the same time. Live metaphors are the product of sentences, not the result of substituting one word for another for decorative or rhetorical effect. They presuppose a kind of odd predication, a “metaphorical twist”. Unlike logical propositions which say something is or is not the case, a live metaphor says “is” and “is not” at the same time, resulting in a redescription of reality. As creative instances of the use of language, live metaphors can die and be absorbed into the dictionary (a watch runs). Live metaphors can also extend beyond a single sentence as in the case of poetic language. Poetic language is thus language that redescribes reality. Its truth is more a matter of manifestation than of coherence or correspondence with what is assumed to be external reality. In an important sense, this experienced truth is the basis for talk about coherence and correspondence, yet paradoxically metaphorical discourse always presupposes an already existing language that it can make use of. In this sense, we are never at the origin of language. We can question back toward this origin but never reach it, since we always must begin by making use of existing language to question language. Philosophers of the fullness of language therefore always begin as having already begun."

>Its truth is more a matter of manifestation than of coherence or correspondence with what is assumed to be external reality. In an important sense, this experienced truth is the basis for talk about coherence and correspondence, yet paradoxically metaphorical discourse always presupposes an already existing language that it can make use of.
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>The Aristotelian logic of the simple syllogism starts from the proposition that ‘A’ is equal to ‘A’. This postulate is accepted as an axiom for a multitude of practical human actions and elementary generalisations. But in reality ‘A’ is not equal to ‘A’. This is easy to prove if we observe these two letters under a lens—they are quite different from each other. But, one can object, the question is not of the size or the form of the letters, since they are only symbols for equal quantities, for instance, a pound of sugar. The objection is beside the point; in reality a pound of sugar is never equal to a pound of sugar—a more delicate scale always discloses a difference. Again one can object: but a pound of sugar is equal to itself. Neither is this true—all bodies change uninterruptedly in size, weight, colour, etc. They are never equal to themselves. A sophist will respond that a pound of sugar is equal to itself “at any given moment”.

>Aside from the extremely dubious practical value of this “axiom”, it does not withstand theoretical criticism either. How should we really conceive the word “moment”? If it is an infinitesimal interval of time, then a pound of sugar is subjected during the course of that “moment” to inevitable changes. Or is the “moment” a purely mathematical abstraction, that is, a zero of time? But everything exists in time; and existence itself is an uninterrupted process of transformation; time is consequently a fundamental element of existence. Thus the axiom ‘A’ is equal to ‘A’ signifies that a thing is equal to itself if it does not change, that is, if it does not exist.

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Recommend me some gekiga mangas a la Tatsumi. For those who want to read Tatsumi, you can finde his work on this link: http://rutracker.works/forum/viewforum.php?f=2465 Don't be scared of russian language.
I read his short stories collections and planning to read A Drifting Life.
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>>9257884
Sanpei Shirato is your man if you enjoy raw Sengoku violence and Edo prostitutes getting raped and tortured.
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>>9257906
I'm more interested in postwar Japan.
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>>9257975
Ashita no Joe. You can write a doctorate thesis about Post War Japan after finishing that one.

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