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Did invading Britain really fuck over the Romans or were they long fucked after before that happened?
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>>2993950
Britain had large resources of tin and gold, and huge woodlands to provide oak and whatnot, but its resources barely covered the costs of maintaining Roman presence there.

It was only really conquered for the sake of being conquered. Once it had been, Emperors invested a great deal of time and effort in enforcing their rule so as to avoid the ignominy of losing the province. This was costly as rebellions were almost perpetual in Britannia, as evidenced by the huge number of forts there.

I recall reading a book on Roman Britain by Guy de la Bédoyère, who claimed that for many in Rome (pre-conquest of Britain), the very existence of the island was questionable. He claims that even the tribes of Northern Gaul, despite trading with the Britons, knew only minor details about them. I find this hard to believe, especially as Iron Age Britons from SE England typically had more in common (culturally) with those in Northern Gaul than Northern England, Scotland or the Highlands. I find it even harder to believe when you consider the importance of the Druids to these societies, and the fact that Caesar records pilgrimages of Gaulish leaders and priests to Anglesey.

However, his point does have a kernel of truth in it. Some think that the famous 'seashell collection' on the shores of the Channel, under Caligula, was his response to mutiny by soldiers reluctant to cross into a land as alien to them as Mars is to us.

Britain was also harder to integrate culturally than, say, Gaul or Hispania, as its large population and small size meant few tribal leaders had the resources to qualify for entry to the Senate (i.e. no properties worth one million sesterces)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czF8okZRyPc
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>>2993950
No, invading a major shithole doesn't cost much, just a waste of resources
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>>2994169
Thank you for your reasoned contribution, Cletus

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What side would you join?
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>>2993938
Communist revolutionaries in the Central Powers or Western Europe to be honest
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>>2993938
Probably Sweden, or Portugal.
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>>2993957
Maroc spagnol.

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Was he the first degenerate performance artist?

>Can't paint or draw for shit
>Takes his anger over his inferior draftsmanship out on the art world
>Large theatrical performances and speeches
>Art as communication
>Art deals with theories of life and ideals, i.e. ideal states
>Addicted to drugs
>Vegetarian
>Initially a socialist
>Alienated close friends
>Killed self

Did we just not get it?
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>>2993935
How many performance Artists join the military (and fight successfully in a combat position) and are proud of their countries history?

It seems like you are just trying to fluster a few people with your cheery picked facts
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>>2993951
Basically all of them who fought in WW1
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>>2993935
>2017
>still thinking Hitler was the bad guy

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I unironically can't wait until the Automation of Jobs and Peak Oil are reached. So the cancerous, Liberal, Hedonistic, Materialist culture of the West can finally die.
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>>2993916
>cancerous, Liberal, Hedonistic, Materialist culture
You mean consumerist capitalism?

FULLY AUTOMATED QUEER LUXURY SPACE ANARCHO-COMMUNISM
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>>2993916
>cancerous, Liberal, Hedonistic, Materialist culture of the West
So capitalism?
Also we won't live to see that happen, maybe in 200 years or so.
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>>2993927
We can work towards that goal together, comrade

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>Best empire ever
>Everyone hates it
Let's change that
Ottoman achievements thread
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>>2993792
why is Iceland there?
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>>2993792
>spanish coast
>otomman
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>>2993792
Because they attack the west

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Are the American natives doomed?
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>>2993712
Culturally yes.
Racially no.
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>>2994865
Culturally I'd say they're already gone. The only ones who still do anything pre-colombian are in the Pacific Northwest, and even then its mostly just larping to get money from white people; selling totem poles and Chilcat blankets and such.
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There are american indians left?

I'm a native American

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A thread for general history regarding the German Democratic Republic (1949 - 1990).

Feel free to share any interesting books, images or videos relating to the topic.
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>German
>Democratic
>Republic
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East German marching song, arguably the best thing that came from communism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

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Why didn't Muslims in Egypt practice iconoclasm against temples, the Sphinx and the Pyramids which were all symbols of cult following and paganism? I thought Islam hated Idoltry.
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I'd like to see you try to disassemble the pyramids
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>>2993578
Show me.
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>>2993578
Some muslims do advocate for it (like the guy in pic related in fact) but the tourist money, Egyptian cultural concern, and the cost involved in destroying them. There are other places where monuments on a similar scale were destroyed by iconoclastic kebabs though, like the Buddhist temples in Afghanistan.

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Who was worse: The Nazis or the Mongols?

I know that the gassings of minorities were pretty evil, but isn't killing millions with nothing more but knives and swords also pretty barbaric? Also I guess not even the Nazis were as inventive as torture methods go.
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Israel.
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Mongols were incredible, especially when they took on the shitskin muslims.
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>>2993510
Mongols are the real gangsters, if any group ever deserved that title.

Being nomadic and raping ancient civilizations which date back thousands of years and shit.

The first stage is a faithful image/copy, where we believe, and it may even be correct, that a sign is a "reflection of a profound reality", this is a good appearance, in what Baudrillard called "the sacramental order".

The second stage is perversion of reality, this is where we come to believe the sign to be an unfaithful copy, which "masks and denatures" reality as an "evil appearance—it is of the order of maleficence". Here, signs and images do not faithfully reveal reality to us, but can hint at the existence of an obscure reality which the sign itself is incapable of encapsulating.

The third stage masks the absence of a profound reality, where the sign pretends to be a faithful copy, but it is a copy with no original. Signs and images claim to represent something real, but no representation is taking place and arbitrary images are merely suggested as things which they have no relationship to. Baudrillard calls this the "order of sorcery", a regime of semantic algebra where all human meaning is conjured artificially to appear as a reference to the (increasingly) hermetic truth.

The fourth stage is pure simulacrum, in which the simulacrum has no relationship to any reality whatsoever. Here, signs merely reflect other signs and any claim to reality on the part of images or signs is only of the order of other such claims. This is a regime of total equivalency, where cultural products need no longer even pretend to be real in a naïve sense, because the experiences of consumers' lives are so predominantly artificial that even claims to reality are expected to be phrased in artificial, "hyperreal" terms. Any naïve pretension to reality as such is perceived as bereft of critical self-awareness, and thus as oversentimental.
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Simulacra and Simulation identifies three types of simulacra and identifies each with a historical period:

First order, associated with the premodern period, where representation is clearly an artificial placemarker for the real item. The uniqueness of objects and situations marks them as irreproducibly real and signification obviously gropes towards this reality.
Second order, associated with the modernity of the Industrial Revolution, where distinctions between representation and reality break down due to the proliferation of mass-reproducible copies of items, turning them into commodities. The commodity's ability to imitate reality threatens to replace the authority of the original version, because the copy is just as "real" as its prototype.
Third order, associated with the postmodernity of Late Capitalism, where the simulacrum precedes the original and the distinction between reality and representation vanishes. There is only the simulation, and originality becomes a totally meaningless concept
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Baudrillard theorizes that the lack of distinctions between reality and simulacra originates in several phenomena.

Contemporary media including television, film, print, and the Internet, which are responsible for blurring the line between products that are needed (in order to live a life) and products for which a need is created by commercial images.

Exchange value, in which the value of goods is based on money (literally denominated fiat currency) rather than usefulness, and moreover usefulness comes to be quantified and defined in monetary terms in order to assist exchange.

Multinational capitalism, which separates produced goods from the plants, minerals and other original materials and the processes (including the people and their cultural context) used to create them.

Urbanization, which separates humans from the nonhuman world, and re-centres culture around productive throughput systems so large they cause alienation.

Language and ideology, in which language increasingly becomes caught up in the production of power relations between social groups, especially when powerful groups institute themselves at least partly in monetary terms.

>take the final redpill
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bumping an interesting thread

Can you say anything about how Baudrillard's concepts relate to photography?

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Why did the Germans start to LARP as Franks ?
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>>2993405
The western Franks were Germans, too.
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>>2993412
Sorry but we aren't

Also, why did Germans claim that Charlemagne had blond hair while they were gray ?
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Franks, Gauls, Germanics, Visigoths, etc. are pretty much the same barbarian shit at this era

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Redpill me on Christopher Columbus. Is he as bad as they say he is? I've heard people claim he committed genocide, but I thought all he did was discover the New World.
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Dindu nuffin
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>redpill me on _____
stop using this word it makes you look like a newfag from /pol/, which you almost certainly are

Let me put Columbus into perspective, he was a man who lived during the time of the Spanish Inquisition and was arrested by Spain for cruelty, that's how fucked up he was. The precedent he set by exploiting (read mass enslavement, rape, and murder) the taino was actually far more important than his discovery of the Caribbean.
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>>2993292
literally 0 evidence to support this, though some of his officers were indeed jews who had fled to portugal during the inquisition

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Is "Come and See" a historically accurate and a good history film to see as well?
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Cinematographic masterpiece. Only butthurt nazifags bitch about it.
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>>2993259

NO.
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>>2993259
If anything Oskar Dirlewanger was even edgier irl. Probably not a bad representation of how partisan warfare works.

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How did the ancient romans shave? Why was being clean shaven considered manly to them?
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>>2993084
being clean shaven was civilized
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>>2993084
Beards were barbaric, only Germans and Greek philisophers (ancient NEETS) wore such things
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>>2993084
>How did the ancient romans shave
They had razors i imagine

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Why were people in the ancient world more intellectual, better at philosophy and writing literature than modern man?
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Which modern men?
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>>2993045
because our public educational systems are shit
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>>2993045
Your statement is incorrect, but I'll stick around to see the roleplaying posts

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