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Post your love of European history and humanities.
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>>2267647
>Europe love thread
>posts a Palestinian
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>>2267652
She's venerated in most of Europe.
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>>2267652
>everything originates in in one place
Nope. Europe is named after a phoenician goddess.
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If a person cherry picks their holy book are they still a member of that relgion? 2017-01-24 12:22:50 Post No.2267620
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If a person cherry picks their holy book are they still a member of that relgion?
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I'm a theist. I believe in Jesus and the Bible and what not.
That said, I acknowledge that I am not a Christian because I do not follow the Bible that well.
Yet, it grinds my gear to see a great deal of Christians (especially left wing Christians) who cherry pick their religion.
Don't get me started on usury. Yes its necessary for modern economy, but it was forbidden for over a 1,000 years by Christianity because it was forbidden in the old and New Testament, but somehow after the 1500's it became ok to lend at interest like the Jews (to be fair, the Hebrew Bible says you can loan interest to people other than Jews and it doesn't count as bad).
And then we got this whole homosexuality thing.
Can you really be a Christian and support homosexuality? Its like a Muslim claiming to be Muslim even though they don't put apostates to death and beat their disobedient wives like their book says to do (moderate Muslims also trigger me).
How can you say you are a Christian/Muslim when you don't even bother to read or follow your holy book?
Maybe the medieval Catholic church was right and people were too stupid and lazy to read the book for themselves.
Yes, literallism is terrible, but so so is cherry picking.
I'm really tired of Christians who say its OK to be interfaith because the books says damn well the only way through paradise is heaven is through Christ and yet these moderate Christians are ok with being nice to Muslims who are also nice back when both holy books say the other is going to burn in hell.
So its like you are friends with these people but your religion specifically states they are going to hell so you are being a jerk by not trying to convert them.
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What really got me was when I went to Mass in Lexington at some old church, and they were going to have an event where a Muslim would convince everyone that Islam is in fact compatible with Western reason and science.
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>>2267620
>Don't get me started on usury. Yes its necessary for modern economy, but it was forbidden for over a 1,000 years by Christianity because it was forbidden in the old and New Testament, but somehow after the 1500's it became ok to lend at interest like the Jews (to be fair, the Hebrew Bible says you can loan interest to people other than Jews and it doesn't count as bad).
Yeah it sucks, but its part of a secularized society. We'd have to de-secularize in order to make usury illegal.
>Can you really be a Christian and support homosexuality?
No, you can't. Jesus and Paul could not have been more clear on sexual immorality.
>Maybe the medieval Catholic church was right and people were too stupid and lazy to read the book for themselves.
Let's not appeal to Rome for clarity on the Scriptures.
>I'm really tired of Christians who say its OK to be interfaith because the books says damn well the only way through paradise is heaven is through Christ and yet these moderate Christians are ok with being nice to Muslims who are also nice back when both holy books say the other is going to burn in hell.
>So its like you are friends with these people but your religion specifically states they are going to hell so you are being a jerk by not trying to convert them.
Theological liberalism is a scourge that is slowly dying. The late 20th century and early 21st century will vindicate conservative, bible-believing Protestantism because liberalism has been uncovered as secularism and blatant unbelief. Now that political and social liberals don't need or want a religious covering for their ideals, the liberal churches will continue to bleed members and die. Hopefully conservatives bishops and cardinals can save the Roman Catholic Church from going liberal as well. Francis needs to go and the whole thing needs to go pre-Vatican II.
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>>2267657
I mean really. Its like no one in the room wants to point out the both holy books of both religions are saying the people being nice to each other is a shit show because one of those parties is going to hell.
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What made Ethiopia turn out so different from the rest of the sub Saharan African countries?
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It didn't though.
It's a poor cesspool.
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>>2267565
In modern times but wasn't this different before ethiopia's modern decline?
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>>2267555
greater connections to Arabia and Eastern trade routes of the Indian Ocean as well as connections to the north and Mediterranean
the core Ethiopian homelands are fairly temperate compared to other areas of Africa because of the mountains. valleys produced rich yields and made them hard to conquer. mineral wealth for a robust ancient mining industry.
claimed divine authority gave the emperor significant diplomatic power
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>Athenians
Degererate and liberal, under Pericles
>Spartans
Conservative and stalwart (read: BASED)
Dramatic tensions between left and right have been the generator of political development in the West since the Carlist wars (the first appearnce of 'right' and 'left'), similar to how they did in ancient Hellas.
Is this by design (template to create memed 'arcs' in politics) or simply a coincidence?
Sure 'left' and 'right, 'Athens' and 'Sparta' being the respective poles of political thought is too much of a coincidence
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>>2267554
Spartan women had more rights than Athenian women.
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>>2267568
If liberalism means self government, then Sparta was more liberal than Athens in the now-classical sense.
Even conservatives do liberalism better than liberals, to run with the anachronism.
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Left and right are two archetypal political forces in a republic.
Athens and Sparta were both republics.
Really, any country that actually follows a constitution is going to have political debates over how society should be organized.
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ITT: Meme history
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>>2267546
WW2 isn't meme history.
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>>2267553
yeah it kinda is, you can blame the """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""history"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" channel for that
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Roman Republic
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Was the Inca Empire really an "Empire" by the conventional definition of the word, or is it just one of those examples of the word being applied very liberally to any large extent of territory?
The specific reason I'm asking is that it seems simply unfeasable for an empire of such a huge size to exist as a true empire without the invention of writing. Was it simply a loose network of tributary states with a relatively common culture? Or an alliance of different tribes (a bit like the Iroquois) with the Kingdom of Cusco at its head?
Seeing as they didn't have writing, did they have any form of tax collection, organized military which spanned the entire territory (which would require recruitment, garrisons, etc.) and organized large-scale infrastructure/construction projects all over the covered territory? And most importantly, did they have any form of law? In other words, did the rules decreed by the Sapa Inca (i.e. emperor) actually extend beyond the immediate region of Cusco?
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>Holy
Sanctified by the Pope
>Roman
Held Rome and continued its legacy
>Empire
It unified many realms under its authority
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>>2267446
They had a very complex system of messangers all over the empire and communication was very fast and efficient iirc.
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>>2267459
Thats bullshit. Most of the Dukes and "kings" used religion to support their claim to the throne, it had one nation that held Rome, and it was not unified at all.
8/10, you made me respond
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Is Nicolas Walter's "About Anarchism" the Anarchist equivalent to Marx & Engels' "The Communist Manifesto"?
Recently came into a copy. I've read critics say that Walter's book is an essential, if not THE essential, marque of modern Anarchist ideology.
>pic related
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what version of anarchy is wanting to eradicate all human systems? not anarcho privitism because that's about returning to a life in tune with nature which isn't the same thing
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>>2267363
OP here.
In fairness, this book lends all (well, most - published in 1971) Anarchist ideologies, but focuses mostly on Active (Militant) Anarchism & Ideological Anarchism. It also explains the differences between the two schools of thought.
I am personally very much interested in Anarchism, not in the explicit sense, but how it can be applied to contemporary models of government.
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No. Bakunin's essays would probably be closer.
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Historical Images thread
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>>2267293
Italians have such a great sense of aesthetics. At least the northern ones.
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What are some of the most unique and powerful experiences that have ever happened to people in history?
Bonus points if you can link to a first-hand account of the events.
For me I think being one of the Red Army grunts discovering Auschwitz has gotta be up there.
>"The actual camp appeared like an untidy slaughterhouse. A pungent smell hung heavily in the air… The further we walked into the site, the stronger the smell of burnt flesh became, and dirty-black ash rained down on us from the heavens, darkening the snow… Innumerable exhausted, wretched figures with shrunken faces and bald heads were standing outside of the barracks. They didn’t know that we were coming. The surprise made many of them faint. A picture that would make everyone wither away who saw it. The misery was horrifying. The ovens [of the crematoria] were still hot and some were still blazing fiercely when we approached… We were standing in a circle, everyone was silent. From the barracks more and more hungry children were emerging, reduced to skeletons and enveloped in rags. Like ants they assembled in large groups, making noise as if they were in a large school yard. With arms extended, they were waiting, begging and screaming for bread. They were whining out of despair and wiping away their tears… Only death reigned here. It smelled of it."
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I have nothing to contribute, but I would very much like to read other firsthand accounts of profound things.
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>>2267040
its like the end of Texas chainsaw massacre, when the girl gets away, runs down the highway, only to be picked RIGHT back up by the same evil people she just escaped from. Only this time, to die for good.
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>>2267040
One the other side of things, I think the Cathedral of Light would be absolutely breathtaking to see firsthand. The British ambassador to Germany described it as
>both solemn and beautiful... like being in a cathedral of ice
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Can we have a thread about historical fashion? Am I the only one finding contemporary fashion disgusting and tasteless?
Do you think the controversies around corsets during the late 19th century can be related to today debates about women thinness?
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>>2267035
>Am I the only one finding contemporary fashion disgusting and tasteless?
No.
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>never get to wear these crazy18th century head pieces
why live
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>ywn be a qt rich English girl prancing around your family estate in a crinoline and doing cute things
why even live
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>China is a civilization pretending to be a nation
What did Leeden mean by this? What sets a civilization apart from a nation and why does China qualify?
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Not sure of Leeden's exact definition of civilization, but I would wager it has something to do with the relatively homogeneous Han demographic in China, who constitute 90+% of the population.
China also has a centralized government that follows a unique blend of Communism and Capitalism, which one could argue is simply a modernized version of classical Confucian bureaucracy.
TL;DR Population demographic and system of government.
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>>2266734
Isn't ethnic homogeneity a feature of the classic Westphalian nation-state anyway?
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>>2266687
I am assuming that his meaning is that China is really an entire Civilization of similar governments, peoples, and languages, rather than a single Nation that they portray themselves as.
There are as many differing regions in China with similar but unique culture and history, making China more similar, to say, the many countries of Europe, than to a single Nation.
There are like 50 different mutually unintelligible dialects of Chinese (which is why Chinese writing is designed to be read no matter what dialect is spoken), literally hundreds of different ethnic backgrounds, and several different major "Nations" within China. Manchuria, Northern and Central Coastal China, Southern China, Guangzhou, Taiwan, Central China, and Western China, are all basically sufficiently different enough to be their own Nations (in the sense that they have different local customs, languages, and ethnic backgrounds).
China is more like the EU or USA rather than a single unified Nation-State.
That all being said, the Chinese government is trying their damnedest to change the Country into one unified State with one language (Mandarin), one Culture, one Ethnicity (Han), etc.
Chinese cultures are super collectivist as a rule so I expect by 2030 or 2040 the Chinese State will more or less have completely stamped out anything that deviates from the new idea of "China" as one unified and collected Nation-State.
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How did the Ashanti become so advanced compared to its west african neighbors.
Their government was quite complex
>The Ashanti government was built upon a sophisticated bureaucracy in Kumasi, with separate ministries to handle the state's affairs. Of particular note was Ashanti's Foreign Office based in Kumasi; despite its small size, it allowed the state to pursue complex negotiations with foreign powers. The Office was divided into departments to handle relations separately with the British, French, Dutch, and Arabs. Scholars of Ashanti history, such as Larry Yarak and Ivor Wilkes, disagree over the power of this sophisticated bureaucracy in comparison to the Asantahene, but agree that it was a sign of a highly developed government with a complex system of checks and balances.
They also seemed to be good at Architecture. This is how the kings palace was described
>An immense building of a variety of oblong courts and regular squares entablatures exuberantly adorned with bold fan and trellis work of Egyptian character. They have a suit of rooms over them, with small windows of wooden lattice, of intricate but regular carved work, and some have frames cased with thin gold. The squares have a large apartment on each side, open in front, with two supporting pillars, which break the view and give it all the appearance of the proscenium or front of the stage of the older Italian theaters. They are lofty and regular, and the cornices of a very bold cane-work in alto relievo. A drop-curtain of curiously plaited cane is suspended in front, and in each we observed chairs and stools embossed with gold, and beds of silk, with scattered regalia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashanti_Empire
Was this normal in the area and it just seems complex because this Empire was archived well by European sources? Or was this some very advanced state for the area. Because to me it seems to be much more advanced than I imagined most West African nations.
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Amazing feedback samefag
Really stellar stuff
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oh no you caught a dangerous samefag
congratz
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sup sop/his/ts
any mexifag here?
can you point me the best books at the academic level about the mexican revolution and so on? whether in Spic or English
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>>2266085
empujoncito
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>>2266085
guyse pl0x
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>>2266085
>thread title
>"Mexican Independence"
>OP's post
>talks about Mexican Revolution
you know those are 2 different things and cant be interchanged like the American ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''Revolution""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>>2265996
100% scientifically accurate. Ireland lost half its population during the famine. If only the British had intervened sooner and stopped the Irish landlords selling their grain overseas while their fellow Irish starved.
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>>2266005
>Irish landlords
Very few landlords in the mid 19th century were Catholic Irish. Most of them weren't even Anglo-Irish, they were just English people who owned property in Ireland
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No it isn't
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Is LVT accurate?
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>>2265949
You mean LTV? I don't think any contemporary economists use it.
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The LTV? Empirical observation does not support it, so no.
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>>2265949
Not anymore
Intellectual property is getting more and more intrusive.