How should one go about reading the Bible? Just chronologically? Anything one should do in terms of framing? I understand it is quite a large book with a lot of penmen.
>>9314525
There are nth bible threads already up, faggot. Piss off.
You could read it chronologically, although i don't think that's the best way to go through it initially.
I'd say go back and forth between reading epistles and some books in the Old Testament. Such as, read like Romans, or Galatians or something, and after you read two chapters you could read like 7 of Genesis, Judges etc.
While a lot of the Epistles were written for Jewish Christians/Greek proselytes some also had an audiance in mind that were largely come from recent previous pagans, and so they do a good job of explaining the relevancy of The Old Testament and it's laws and how they point to Christ.
Just read like like 3-4 chapters in The Old Testament for every in The New Testament, but reading them back and forth is the best way to start in my honest opinion.
A list of books to start with in no order:
Genesis, Exodus, Judges, 1-2 Samuel, 1-2 Chronicles, Proverbs, Psalms, any of the Gospels, Acts, Romans 1 Corinthians, Galatians.
Hebrews is really great after you go through several of these. After you do those, a prophetic book, I'd recommend Jeremiah to start with, or Amos for something smaller.
You generally want to read it in order if you haven't read it before. A lot of thought was put into the order of these books by the church for a very good reason, and that's because the entire collection of the books that is the bible make up a single narrative, the story of our salvation complete with a beginning middle and end.
>>9314665
>A list of books to start with in no order:
>Genesis, Exodus, Judges, 1-2 Samuel, 1-2 Chronicles, Proverbs, Psalms, any of the Gospels, Acts, Romans 1 Corinthians, Galatians.
You would read Exodus before Genesis? How would somebody even understand the Psalms without first knowing the history of Israel? There's a lot of problems with this sort of approach to scripture, one of them being that it presumes knowledge of scripture before it is even read. You can't just start anywhere and be able to study effectively.
>the ebook version is more than $15
>>9314292
>the ebook is free on libgen.io
Whoa
>>9314294
I normally buy my books because I'm not a faggot, but if it costs a retarded amount of money to download a fucking FILE, then yeah I'll pirate it. Like I'm not going to spend $35 to download a fucking EPUB. That is absurd.
>>9314306
>because I'm not a faggot
Are you sure about that?
Do we have any free will whatsoever? I dont mean the ability to have absolute freedom and do what you want. I mean the ability to have some for of agency within a set system.
Dont think about it.
>>9314121
You're asking the question is futile, but inevitable.
Non-meme answer: How could we think critically and make logical arguments without the freedom to choose the correct argumentation? You can say we don't have free will, but then you're pretty much done since you've just denied your own ability to reason.
So we might as well assume that we have a certain amount of freedom.
>>9314143
>You're asking
I was predestined to make that typo.
This was /lit af. Any books similar to this?
Book of Job
giving tree
>>9314118
East of Eden sorta fits. Has the family elements and spans the life of the characters.
Question: What is greentext?
Can we consider it to be an art form in any respect? I was talking about it with a friend and we concluded that it can be poetry, but since obviously it's not written to be literature or fine art, and it's quite lowbrow and amateur, it really slips under the radar.
Is it poetry? Why or why not? Discuss.
Note that I'm not claiming that ALL uses of greentext are poetic.
>>9314023
Who gives a fuck. Greentext is about the feels, the lulz and the epic stories.
don't try to intellectualise this shit.
>>9314045
Well, it's a method of storytelling. I think it should be categorized somehow.
Besides, it's not like I'm doing this on /b/ or somewhere that greentext stories actually occur, so it's not like I'm polluting the discourse of greentext in any way.
>>9314023
no you don't understand
if you are writing poetry it gives you a free pass to string together literally any words you want
there's no need for coherency or a central theme just so long as it sounds pretty
i like the feeling when i take a shit after three days of not taking a shit
- rupi kaur
>he doesn't read during his daily commute on the train to work
>he doesn't read whenever he can, feeling the joyous urgency to delve deeper into the book he brings with himself everywhere because he can't phisically imagine a better way to spend that little free time is available
>>9313880
I'm unemployed right now but I never did that anyway. Too fucking tired in the morning - I'd have rather listened to music and stared into space, or God forbid played a vidyo gaem.
Used to read on the way home, though.
>reading
gay
I've snagged Castaneda's first five books on the cheap, currently reading Journey to Ixtlan. What's your opinion on them?
Aside from all the speculation on the actual "truth" of what is contained in the narrative, I found them to be an incredibly interesting series of thoughts and images about (one kind of) Western epistemology and its limits, as well as a well-written chronicle of first contact between two truly alien mental/representational worlds.
There's also an interesting, unspoken commentary on the validity and worth of rituals, oral traditions and supernatural iconography in the contemporary world as a kind of alternative cartography that might just still work for its users.
Bump?
Heady synchronicity. Just last night I resolved to finally begin exploring Castaneda's oeuvre and then I see this when I log onto /lit/ this morning. A friend of mine who is a spiritualist/philosopher type whom I respect is a big fan of his work.
>>9314432
For what's worth, I recommend to go ahead and start reading them. If you've got the time you can read each of his books in a day, and I'm fairly sure the pdfs are just a Google search away.
Not gonna say much, I think it's better to jump into the texts and make them "your own" without preconceived hermeneutical boundaries placed by another's interpretation. I found them to be more similar to a Spinozian novel than an anthropological "memoir", for example, and I'm willing to bet you'll interpret them very differently.
Preferably minimal dialogue
>>9313738
Euhmmm...
I haven't read these, but someone told me they're decent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_Children
>>9313738
quest for fire
Clan of the cave bear
How can anyone take discussions about "redemption through suffering" seriously? It's like asking how many angels can fit on the head of a pin . It's just flailing about in the infinitely large space of unfalsifiable ideas while judging ideas based on their marketing.
>>9313679
>flailing about in the infinitely large space of unfalsifiable ideas
Welome to philosophy, my mang.
>>9313679
>It's just flailing about in the infinitely large space of unfalsifiable ideas
You mean, kinda like life?
>>9313679
You sound like a 25 year old whose largest trial in life was not getting a double shot in your macchiato Freshman year.
In an of itself, 'suffering' is a neutral experience.
>Calm the fuck down, nancy
For example, the highest-tier of athletes suffer a great deal. These people seek out and self-inflict the suffering of their own volition in pursuit of a goal.
Likewise cancer patients taking treatment can experience tremendous suffering, yet seek it out eagerly and welcome it for the results it gives.
So - since suffering is neutral, why would anyone speak of 'redemption through suffering'?
Shame is what you *suffer* when you realize you have performed an immoral or foolish act.
Huh.
Well, that was easy.
By simply looking at the definitions of words we can easily see that 'redemption through suffering' makes perfectly logical sense to anyone with a basic education.
books about a loser being in love with a prostitute?
asking for a friend
are you that guy who posted about a night with a prostitute that changed your mindset about women?
really curious, what was it that made you change your mind?
>>9313649
not a book but like becket's first short story and also love is colder than death
Any lit for feel, when you're planning to nofap for 90 days but eventually give up after 3-4 days and then start again?
I know about Camus The Myth of Sisyphus of course
>>9313635
The Gambler -Dostoyevski.
My Diary -Desu.
>>9313635
Nofap is for the weak. The real test is edging without ever letting yourself cum.
>>9313823
It's dangerous for prostate mate
Join to /lit/ group on telegram
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>>9313636
stop bumping.
>>9313651
You replying is bumping itself cuck
>>9313662
the means justify the ends
Hey /lit/, where do I start with Joyce Carol Oates?
Complimenting her looks is probably a good beginning.
>>9313508
I'll keep that in mind
>>9313504
Her short stories are pretty good. Where Are You Going Where Have You Been? was a pretty good collection.
I tried a couple of her novels but couldn't get into them.
Pro tip : you wish you could
Proto-Argentina-is-white-core
>>9313483
He's got that whole blind-poet thing going for him.
Great introduction to pomo literature, god-tier prose, kind of a wanker at times but he know how to pull it off. I also find his contrarian opinions funny. Overall pretty good.
The more I read this guy, the more I get the feeling that a large part of his philosophy is actually theology.
Both in his insistence (or Socrates' insistence) on (the) God(s) having a plan, which then later, in the Republic etc. leads to him having to prove the necessary existence of God(s) in order to be able to prove that the Good/Virtue exists, to his quite autistic cosmological theories.
What are your thoughts on this? I feel like somewhat religious and theological character of many of Plato's works isn't mentioned a lot.
Plato was debunked long ago.
>>9313490
This is unrelated to the question to be quite honest with you family and not the point anyways
>>9313479
>leads to him having to prove the necessary existence of God(s) in order to be able to prove that the Good/Virtue exists
>implying that God(s) is not necessary for Good/Virtue
Philosophy of any value cannot be detatched from religion because both are addressing the same problem: how best to live.